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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 12:34 PM
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Why the slogan "fighting them over there or fighting them here" is
stupid.

Fighting whom?
Terrorists that WERE NOT in Iraq until the US invaded. Don't you think the Iraqi people know this?

The reason why this is such a stupid comment is because what does this say about our friends, the Iraq people? Oh we will fight them in Iraq. Nice way to treat friends. Let them kill you on your land, "friends."

I noticed the thugs have not used this expression in a long time, maybe they just thought it out!

Be sure to make this a comeback to any rethug who starts with this drivel.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 12:37 PM
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1. and it is corwardly. i have calle dmore republicans cowards
when they dare to say that to my face. nothing more corwardly, nor unchristian to say,.... it is ok for the babies, the innocents to die over there so our babies dont die here.

nothing these people say offend me more than this one
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 12:42 PM
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5. Actually, that IS okay with them, what you just said. They really DON'T
care how many people die in Iraq as long as it's not them.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 12:44 PM
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11. i shame them, calling them on it out loud. i was amongst a lot of
fundies when i first starting hearing that. these christians that preached andprayed all day long, had the audacity to sayy something like that.

i would continue it out to how dare you think those lives dont matter. that your childs life is more important than an iraqi child

was a profound time for me, speaking this out loud to these people.
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bluemarkers Donating Member (209 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 12:38 PM
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2. makes our leaders look like chickens
and us to boot.
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SpreadItAround Donating Member (265 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 12:39 PM
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3. Just another lame way to excuse our imperialism
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 12:40 PM
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4. It's about fighting muslims.
That is, massacring over half a million of them.

That's what they mean about fighting "them" over there.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 12:42 PM
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 12:45 PM
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12. Ah, yes, and did the Bush administration sell this invasion as a decade
or more of bloody fighting?
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mikeytherat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 12:47 PM
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14. My bro-in-law is an officer on the ground in Baghdad
and says it is the worst situation he has ever seen. He's a combat vet with 24 years in the service; he was in Gulf War I, he's been to the Balkans, Afghanistan and Central America, and he says it's NOT an insurgency, it's total chaos. There is no right or wrong, no up or down - just death and destruction. Everywhere.

In any case, this "war" was sold to us as "flowers and candy, quick victory and on to the next battle." It was a lie.

mikey_the_rat
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 01:57 PM
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29. I'm sure you should attach as much credibility to the anonymous Ed
Schulz caller as your brother's opinion though. :eyes:
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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 12:47 PM
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15. Right. And we should all ignore the NIE report that said our mere presence
in Iraq was making terrorism worse.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 12:53 PM
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17. You do know, of couse, that military officers do not make public
statements about policy without express permission from their superiors. The only thing he would be allowed to say is exactly what the bosses tell him to say. Unless, of course, he was looking for a quick discharge, and since this is the official line, he is clearly catapulting the propaganda.
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keta11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 01:10 PM
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21. He is too stupid to be a military officer!!!
Didn't Muslim youth from the UK try to organize a terrorist attack on US-bound planes from the UK 3 months ago? Does he know how many Muslim countries there are in the world stretching all across North Africa through Eurpoe to Asia who empathize with whats going on in Iraq and are gonna want to retaliate later on?

Your military officer friend wears a uniform and know nothing!!!!
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 01:12 PM
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22. Completely ignoring the fact that THERE WAS NO INSURGENCY THERE...
...until we invaded and destroyed the country.

It also makes that ridiculous assumption that
an INTERNAL Iraqi civil war somehow equates
to international terrorism.

The various Iraqi "insurgent" groups are fighting
FOR CONTROL OF IRAQ. They are -NOT- fighting to
invade and attack the USA.

Whenever some warmonger parrots the stupid "fighting them
there not here
" catchphrase, I like to ask if they
remember the way those thousands of VietCong came swarming
over to the US mainland after we cut-n-ran back in 1975...

Hey, you remember when THAT happened? :sarcasm:

No, we didn't "stay the course" in Vietnam, did we?
And as a result, here's Saigon, 30 years after we left.
The HORROR...the horror:

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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 12:42 PM
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7. Its popular because it is effective. It scares Republican women
and it excites FReeper men, because it plays to their fantasy of using their own private arsenals to fight terrorists in the streets.
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rhiannon55 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 01:05 PM
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19. Astute observation
I'll remember that. Wow. I'm flashing on my freeper fundie brother and his sweet little fundie wife and his gun collection and his war mentality. I know he's an action flick fan.

Thanks, ComerPerro. I understand my weird brother and sister-in-law better now. For what it's worth... :eyes: :hi: :yourock:
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mikeytherat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 12:42 PM
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8. This is more succinct:
"So, you're OK with using the men and women of the US Armed Forces as bait for terrorists?"

mikey_the_rat
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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 12:43 PM
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9. We are using innocent Iraqi citizens as human shields
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 01:01 PM
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18. The 2 comments are right on target. nt
Edited on Mon Oct-16-06 01:03 PM by caledesi
edit: usual
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 12:43 PM
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10. You're just ignoring history. They said the same thing about Vietnam
and we pulled out of Vietnam.


And now, there's a Vietnamese Restaurant just 3 miles from my house.

SEE???
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 12:45 PM
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13. So they DID follow us here!
Edited on Mon Oct-16-06 12:45 PM by Mayberry Machiavelli
:o
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 01:27 PM
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25. I know. And I'd be totally ready to "fight them here"
except they make GREAT soup.
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 01:58 PM
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30. Yea. If it wasn't for the damned PHO!!!
:rofl:
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 01:08 PM
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20. oh my God. We anti-war people have made a horrible mistake
what if, some day, 30 years from now, Iraqis and muslims are living down the street from us and open a restraunt?
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rhiannon55 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 12:51 PM
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16. I have always hated that statement
It's embarrassingly and infuriatingly callous. Iraqi babies are as innocent and precious and deserving of life and health and a FUTURE as are American babies. I have six grandchildren whom I adore--and I still feel that way. I cannot believe the cognitive dissonance (and heartlessness) that it must take to make and believe such a statement. It's one of the most mindless pieces of propaganda out there in the political ether.

:banghead:
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 01:23 PM
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24. that was the first thing to pop in my mind. and here i was talking to
Edited on Mon Oct-16-06 01:24 PM by seabeyond
a fellow mother, and she a religious, fundamentalist that goes to church threetimes a week. shesaid that to me in chapel and my mouth hung.... i could notbelieve it.because i amthinking like you and cannot believe this woman wouldsay something so offensive
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Rosemary2205 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 01:19 PM
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23. I always ask the R who spews this nonsense
If we send all our soldiers to fight them there, who's protecting us here?

or I'll ask -- then why do we need the patriot act and homeland security if all the terrorists are "there".
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keta11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 01:27 PM
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26. They act like there is a finite number of terrorists in the
world and they are gonna lure them to Eye-raq and kill all of them and that would end terrorism and GWB and the Republican Party would go down in histrory as having won the "War on Terra". How can grown people be this stupid??


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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 01:36 PM
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27. Actually, Bush just used it last week.
In his press conference.

The other one that's ridiculous is, "So you would prefer if Saddam was still in power?"
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VOX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 01:38 PM
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28. It's a wingnut's wet dream to envision acting out "Red Dawn"...
Edited on Mon Oct-16-06 01:39 PM by KrazyKat
And, since there's no longer any significant "commie" threat, the image of brown-skinned, crazed and rapacious terrorists running through the streets of Provo, Lubbock, or Bakersfield will just have to do.

And, the "fighting them over there..." bite makes us look *tough*, since, in the inevitable sports metaphor, away games are usually more difficult than home games.

If anyone with half a brain thinks about "fighting them over there..." for a minute, it's one of the dumbest things to come from the right-wing mind, for it dangerously underestimates the threat -- are hard-core terrorists weak enough, and foolish enough, to all be in just **one** place at one time?????? :shrug:


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Lindacooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 02:30 PM
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31. That's a false dichotomy.
That's like saying 'if today isn't Monday, it must be Thursday'. There's no evidence that 'fighting them over there' is going to keep "them" (whoever THEM is??) away from this country.
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