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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 06:28 AM
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"Imagine if you will. . ."
Global Wholeness,

Despite this overwhelming wave of national malaise in which so many have been engulfed, I am writing in a delightfully devious attempt to cheer you up. Silly me.

Having no idea about your various spiritual orientations, this may seem a bit presumptuous. Yet I'm deeply compelled to share with you some information about a possible opportunity to instigate positive change on an unprecedented level through non linear means. This methodology is not exactly traditionally accepted or even commonly known outside the realms of those who are aware of and in touch with their unique though shared spiritual source. That these methods have remained esoteric for most of recorded history is no accident.

However these current circumstances and energies have simply never, ever, ever before been so readily accessible to us, certainly at least not to this degree.

You see, though some would not believe it, many in the spiritual communities are enormously excited about this up coming Tuesday. According to many, this could be HUGE in it's potential to reorient our collective evolutionary direction.

Some are sensing that we are being presented with an opportunity to invoke and manifest universal law, which by the way, is not even remotely under the jurisdiction of "Senor Gonzolaws"

Despite the strange shadow of "neoconic" fear and gross distortions that are constantly cast upon us, we more humane sorts have some attributes of which they appear to be totally unaware and/or do not believe have any value or merit. Boy oh boy. . .are they ever misguided.

Those virtues would be our deep abiding awareness of the ultimate powers of both the truth and universal law. Two of the most well renowned of those laws that you might think that no one would ever possibly miss or minimize would be "what comes around goes around" and " do unto others as you would have them do. . ." Sheesh.

Yet you've got to hand it to these goons and usurpers of power for one
thing. They are truly masterful at "group think" even if it's based
exclusively on overwhelmingly constant and repetitive falsehoods.

So-o-o. . .

"Imagine if you will. . ."

If we progressives were to harness a similar collective mental focus for less than 24 hours under the extraordinary celestial influence described below, even as as a mere experiment, what we could possibly influence. . .

It just could actually even trump the media's incessant blather by leaps and bounds IMHO.

That's one of the really astonishing ways in which this Tuesday avails us a uniquely amazing opportunity to endeavor to achieve that very focus that so often alludes us.

The old truism of the impossibility of "herding cats" may not even
necessarily apply on that particular day.

One of my two spiritual teachers said 18 years ago, "There will be another flood. It'll be a flood of ideas." I reckon that we're way more than 3/4 of the way through it. We have perhaps arrived upon the threshold of the time during which we can actually goose the process along with with focusing many of our hearts and minds. . .

. . .and fly for 15 hours in perfect concert, taking turns in the lead like the wild geese.

(some of the more obscure language of the following quotation has been
mildly edited for clarity and snipped from the site linked further below)
> *********************************************************************
>
> "A Cosmic Trigger Event will occur on the 17th of October 2006. This > is the beginning, one of many trigger events to come between now and
> 2013. An ultraviolet (UV) pulse beam radiating from higher dimensions
> in an alternate universe will cross paths with the Earth on this day.
> Earth will remain approximately within this UV beam for 15 hours of
> your time.
>
> This beam resonates with the heart chakra, it is radiant fluorescent
> in nature, blue/magenta in color. Although it resonates in this
> frequency band, it is above the color frequency spectrum of your
> universe to which you, on
> Earth are accustomed. However due to the nature of many of your
> souls and soul groups operating from this particular alternate
> Universe frequency band, it will have an effect.
>
> The effect is every thought and emotion will be amplified intensely
> one million-fold. Yes, we will repeat, all will be amplified one
> million times and more.
>
> Every thought, every emotion, every intent, every will, no matter if
> it is good, bad, ill, positive, negative, will be amplified one
> million times in strength. . ."
>
>> snip
>
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Now I'm quite sure that many of you have heard of or perhaps dallied with the power of both consciousness and the mind before. Very simply, here is an opportunity for application of those skills that could just make such endeavors more powerful than ever before.

Responding with anger, hatred, and frustration, to the collective shadow of fear in which we often find ourselves immersed, appears to have gotten many, even more deeply enshrouded in that very shadow. Consider that these usurpers who are apparently bereft of basic conscience or even basic humanity, may just feed upon that very anger, hatred, and frustration. It might in fact, keep them in power even longer. Or it would seem to have done so thus far.

It is the intractable trap of dualistic thinking.

Psssssssst. . .why stick to black and white on a planet where upon even above the desert, rainbows can coalesce. . ?

The ruse of divide and conquer results in nothing more than a complete and totally predictably repressive "yawn fest" if you hadn't noticed.

The labels of good/evil, liberal/conservative, left/right, yin/yang are
nothing less than simplistically inapplicable to the vast majority of
wonderfully diverse and complex human beings.

So it may be that what is required at least on Tuesday, is a simple leap of non dogmatic faith in laws that are more universal, spiritual, and humane rather than mourning incessantly those laws now despairingly lost that have so often been unfairly executed in this land.

'There is simply more that unites true human beings than that which divides us. On the most simplistic level, it all comes down to living in love or living in fear. Ummmm . . . Which would you prefer. . .?"

Perhaps some different and more enlightened approaches may set us free and bring forth wisdom and justice for the many as well as ushering in more of the greater good than we've yet to experience throughout recorded history.

According to this link
http://educate-yourself.org/ww/oct2006cosmictriggerevent25sep06.shtml

If a million souls merely spend 17 hours harboring peaceful, loving,
humorous, and grateful thoughts, miraculous things may just occur and abound in a truly amazing fashion.

Now many have been concerned about their ability to not react negatively over the course of a normal day when confronted by seemingly uncontrollable random stimuli so here is an additional technique through which anyone can control their response by invoking a simple chant.

"It's "nam-myoho-renge-kyo.

And it literally means " to devote oneself to Myôhô-renge-kyô, becoming one with the ultimate truth or cosmic life force." It's also sometimes translated as "may all beings be happy." Saying it in those five simple English words can work just as well. This will most likely mollify most hassles incoming. I promise.

18 other gentle suggestions or "tricks" are scrolled beneath the excerpt from the link, some of which may be appropriate to perform during those particular hours. If you don't care to read all of the suggestions, at least read the 2nd & 4th trick, and the invocation on the lower half of the 16th "trick." It may potentially neutralize the nefariously malicious software in the vote tabulators. Who Knows. . .?

There is also another prayer which I did not craft following the excerpt.

Here is what else they have to say at that first link. I humbly feel it's worthy of some contemplation and reflection. . .

***********************************************************************
>
> Since all matter manifest is due to your thoughts, i.e. what you
> focus on, this beam will accelerate these thoughts and solidify them
> at an accelerated rate making them manifest a million times faster
> than they normally would.
>
> For those that do not comprehend. Your thoughts, what you focus on
> create your reality.
>
> This UV beam thus can be a dangerous tool. For if you are focused on
> thoughts which are negative to your liking they will manifest into
> your reality almost instantly. Then again this UV beam can be a gift > if you choose it to be.
>
> Mission-10/17 requires approximately one million people to focus on
> positive, benign, good willed thoughts for themselves and the Earth
> and Humanity on this day. Your thoughts can be of any nature of your
> choosing, but remember whatever you focus on will be made manifest in
> a relatively faster than anticipated time frame. To some the
> occurrences may almost be bordering on the miraculous.
>
> All we ask is positive thoughts of love, prosperity, healing, wealth,
> kindness, gratitude be focused on.
>
> This UV beam comes into full affect for 15hrs on the 17th of October > 2006.
>
> No matter what time zone you are in the hours are approximately
> 10:17am on the 17th of October to 1:17am on the 18th of October.
>
> The peak time will be 17:10 (5:10pm) on the 17th October.
> You do not need to be in a meditative state through out this time,
> though that would be beneficial. The main key time no matter what
> time zone you are in will be the peak time of 17:10 (5:10 pm).
> Perhaps at this time if you can find a peaceful spot or location to
> focus. The optimum is out in the vicinity > of grounded nature,
> likened to that of a large tree or next to the ocean waves.
>
> Focus on whatever it is you desire. What is required for the benefit
> of all Earth and Humanity is positive thoughts of loving nature.
>
> We call this UV beam trigger event, "818" gateway.
>
> Please forward this message to as many people as you know who will
> use this cosmic trigger event to focus positive, good willed
> thoughts.
>
> We require approximately 1-million people across globe to actively
> participatein this event. Please use whatever communication mediums
> you have at your disposal. Reach out to as many people as possible.
> We require 1-million plus people at the least to trigger a shift for
> humanity from separation and fragmentation to one of unification and
> oneness.
>
> This is your opportunity to take back what is rightfully yours i.e.
> Peace and Prosperity for all Earth and Mankind."

*****************************************************************

Here is an additional prayer crafted by another. . .

"I am that I am, and the divinity in me is going to make a difference on this planet. Even my small efforts will create an energy that is larger than I can imagine. These combined with the efforts of others will create a lasting and eternal peace on earth."

*****************************************************************

As another put it very succinctly in this kinda but not really OTT declarative statement. . .

I am co-creating with spirit that "ALL THAT IS HIDDEN MUST NOW BE REVEALED!"

As inspired by my curiously acquired, sparkled, and feathered, "angelic and cosmic sledgehammer" here are 18 of the "19 tricks or Weapons of Mass Creation for Global Amelioration. " I crafted them last year and you may wish to perform some of them during those hours on the 17th if not before or after "or forevermore. . ."

For those who read these last year and may have performed the 2nd trick on a regular basis even for a while, it has been postulated by others that by doing so, we collectively sent out a signal around this time of year and now a year later, we our receiving a universal response. There is no way to prove it but to many, it rings true.

"1. Live creatively. "with mercy for all and malice towards none."

2. Visualize the planet bathed in a regal violet-purple light at least
momentarily once daily. It is s really easy to project violet-purple
light when earth icon appears on your screen. Consider scrolling
down at the link here. . . . http://www.lovearth.net/

(Violet-"Purple rain, purple""reign". . . : )

It can be that simple and easy for those who are unaccustomed to
routine visualization. For reasons I'll explain in far greater
specificity in a subsequent version, violet-purple rays of
transmutational light will gently wake up several sleeping souls
and solve problems, ages old in many places and will ameliorate
even circumstances most dire. Focusing on regions most conflicted
(D.C., the MidEast, Iraq. the Gulf Coast, and the entire continent
of Africa. . .etc) will help as well. Ahhh. . .Blue + Red = Purple.

(For those of earthier orientations who unlike many spiritualists,
don't necessarily resonate with the violet-purple vibration,
another alternative suggested by a differing source would be to
project a vibrant green around the globe. That color will most
likely hasten the healing of our woefully damaged ecosystems and
many sad and bleeding hearts as well. )

3. Inspire as many smiles as is possible in each and every day by
cracking as many uplifting jokes as often as is possible especially
with strangers. Uplifting jokes are opposed to those that are mean
spirited and denigrating (see a certain "fearful leader"'s so-
called sense of humor for reference.) You see, the best humor is
never intended to be expense of others though sometimes and more
funnily seems to be at expense of self. Humor may be the tonic for
these times and is may just be orientation that unifies us all
regardless of our religious orientations. Some astrophysicists have
suggested the the primary chemical component at the very center of
the universe is NO2 (aka laughing gas.) Laughter unites us all.

4. Figuring eight whenever you sense imbalances, and/or once daily for
just a minute or two. Here's how one can do that. . .

"Eighteen years ago I was guided to raise my hands over my head and
envision my spiritual source. In a similar manner, I have also
drawn down specific planetary and solar and lunar energies at
various times, as well. I visualize energy descending through my
left arm and crossing over to the right side of my body between the
nape of my neck (where central nervous system wiring switches over
from one side to the other) and my heart chakra. Then the energy
goes down through my right side and through my right leg down to
the center of the earth where it merges miraculously with Gaia, and
then loops back up returning to earth's surface then travels up my
left leg up the left side of my body crossing over to right side.
Again it passes between my heart chakra, and the nape of my neck,
and then goes out my right arm returning to my spiritual source.
Over time and with a modicum of practice it scarcely takes a
nanosecond to enact but has greater effect if simply sustained
for a moment or two. (Has anyone noticed that we've had far fewer
natural disasters since I humbly sent this a year ago?)

Energetically it balances higher and lower energies. It can be
useful for many who feel disconnected, stressed, or concerned about
the apparent extreme imbalances between potential and form, of
which Gaia appears to be processing and releasing now at an
unprecedented rate. Whenever in doubt, maybe go figure 8.

In my heart and soul, I know that if enough true souls practice
this when spirit moves them to do so, many of the the severe earth
changes and extreme weather conditions, and their awful, and most
harrowing repercussions that have occurred, are still expected over
the next few years will be mollified, and conditions of suffering
and hardship on the planet will be ameliorated more expediently,
and far more gently than they would be otherwise if a plethora of
true souls would not do so. It's as simple as that run on sentence
suggests. : )"

5. Honor and be kind to your true self, not just the mask of your
little self, and don't be at all spooked by or react to scary masks
of others who are not quite aware as yet.

6. Consider cultivating more patience in perpetuity whilst adjusting
and responding swiftly to all peripeteia.

7. Recognize one's own genuine auric field to be both selectively
permeable and fully operational. See one's own physical embodiment
as an ever morphing "evolvehicle"

8. Recognize also and honor inherent sacred nature of sexuality in all.
Really consider avoiding porn like the plague as it only empowers
sleaze buckets and disempowers oneself. Use wild imaginings and
maybe perhaps make more love instead. That is, if someone both
willing and suitable is within reasonable proximity or if a
teleportation device is accessible and nearby.

9. Oh, I remember from many years ago, another old, though still very
effective trick. . .When one is by a body of water larger than a
puddle, one can snag a dark stone, and cradle it in one's hands. One
can mentally project all that they feel upset or unsure about upon
the rock. All resulting anger and frustration and assorted angst can
be released. The rock can handle it. I assure you. One's hands may
shake uncontrollably depending on one's level of angst. Then one
throws the dark stone in the water, and forgives the stone as the
stone hits the surface of water. Then one finds white or very light
stone. One projects upon that stone all that one is grateful for and
loves. One's hands may shake again depending on breadth of
appreciation of blessings in one's life. One tosses that in water
and rejoices when the stone hits surface of water.

"Prayers of gratitude are those which are most powerful."

Due to the dualistic nature of this old trick, I'm deeply compelled
to amend this as well.

If you can find amethyst or any other purple stone (fluorite,
sugilite,chaorite) or even something more commonplace, do the same
with that stone, this time praying and projecting desire to
neutralize dualism on our planet (betchya all of your hands will
shake.) And when the stone hits surface of the water, figure 8* or
laugh, or dance, or start celebrating in any old way your now
happier heart desires.

10."Every time you hear stuff from media that makes your BS detector go
ballistic, consider saying aloud "I co-create with spirit that the
truth be revealed ASAP" and blast violet-purple transmuting light
onto the nearby screen or speaker." Enough with the "catapult(ed)
propaganda" and "hypnogogic oligarchary" ya know?

Hey, if our fear mongering leader can make up words, then so can I,
and you can too. Let's get really creative and pester the
disingenuous media relentlessly. That is only if you've the time
and inclination to do so.

11. For a while, consider doing far better for others than you would
ever dream of them doing for you in a million years.

12. I stole this one from now rumored to be reincarnated, though used
to be, old "sleeping prophet" Edgar Cayce.

Take baths. If you have no bathtub available, then bathe around.
Aaaand don't tell me that you have no extra time for baths, as
baths take about 15 minutes, showers take 5-10. No one is really
that busy or all too important to not be able to do so.

Cayce recommended adding 1 part baking soda to 2 parts Epsom Salts
for baths. That stuff is really cheap. and readily available. I add
my fave oil (lavender). You can add yours. Ritual full immersion is
an age old, time & tried tradition for more than just physical
purification. It is especially so for more sensitive sorts. It is
great to do during lunations. That would mean, once every two weeks
or so.It is alleged to release all sorts of accumulated psychic
effluvia from bodies and auric fields . I just know that when I
take one, I invariably feel reborn, and am reminded that I too have
a life, instead of contemplating the troubles of others all the
time as is my ridiculously inherent proclivity.

14. Be more collaborative, and only compete with your own self's
highest potential and never that of others.

15. This one is from text composed shortly after 9/11. Ya know how
alleged terrorists had "sleeper cells?" Declare you and your
friends and perhaps your families to be "waking cells" and
incessantly expand your horizons, philosophies, and all inspired
creative influence.

16. Consider writing to the International Criminal Court
(http://www.icc-cpi.int/home.html&l=en ) regarding the Downing
Street Memos (http://www.downingstreetmemo.com /) about how the US
government refuses to investigate the war crimes it has committed
so we just might require some international assistance to
prosecute. You can also write to the UN and the more judicious
Supremes if you are so compelled.

Also there is that pesky issue of potential election fraud which the
media had all but blacked out almost entirely. Consider saying "I
co-create with spirit that any malicious code implanted or secreted
in the vote tally counting software be neutralized in the upcoming
elections, so that the true will of the electorate will be revealed
and true justice be restored."

17. OMG, I just remembered yet another wondrous trick, this one is from
a lady visionary activist who is most inspiring.
(http://www.visionaryactivism.com)
Whenever a dynamic with another breaks down and reaches an impasse,
sit down and write them a letter, and don't hold back anything you
feel.Then read the letter aloud, then burn it. As ever, be cautious
with fire. I employ the use of pliers and a cast iron skillet when
I do this. Then release the ashes into moving water. It's nice to
do in nature, but a sink or toilet will do just as well. This is
how one sends another a spiritual fax. It is great magic as it
moves the restrictions in the dynamic through all of the four
elements and purifies the emotions and sends a great healing to
both you and the higher self of the person with whom one is
hassled. It works.

18.This trick is a prayer which I finally got around to typing around
the 25th anniversary of John Lennon's passing, though I'd been
saying it for well over a decade and a half. Only I, would finally
get around to typing up a prayer which I've been saying pretty much
daily for all that time, and then later, have to make three
corrections, five amendments, and four edits. Sheesh.

Here is the prayer. . .

"Calling upon the essence of the fire, the air, the earth, the water (you can even add ether if you do so desire). . .and calling upon the forces of all of creation, in expression of, and with reverence for, universal love, and truly spiritual and lasting mendings in each, and all of our lives, I ask for guidance, wisdom, insight, humility, clarity, compassion, and "humour," on this day and night, and from each and every day and night to come. I give thanks for the many blessings bestowed upon my life and ask for assistance in becoming a far better steward of those many blessings."

************************************************************

and just for fun. . .

"Here is a joke my son made a while ago during a car ride. He was on a roll making up a litany of "mathamagicianical" stupid bar jokes, when I was trying to instruct him of something which I'll share later . . .but my personal absolute all time fave of his jokes was and is. . .

"So-o-o. . .this amazingly miraculous energy previously unavailable to
humanity, walks into a bar. The bartender says. . ."woh. . . " Everybody gets enlightened."

The total prankster kid reduced my whole life's writing into a stupid bar joke, in one full swoop. Yikes.

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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 06:37 AM
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1. I prefer living in love.
Not just for one day, but for my life.

I'm not always successful; but I find that when I deny fear and anger a place to incubate, I'm happier. I'm more productive, I'm healthier, I feel better, I sleep better, and I'm doing a better job interacting with the world on all levels.

That often means avoiding political discussion; it's too easy to allow myself to be provoked when viewing things from a political, rather than a higher, perspective.

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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 07:12 AM
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5. yeah me too
I'm going back and forth over whether tomorrow it would be wiser to avoid all political stuff or try to neutralize all that with which we are generally barraged.

Here's something else that was posted last week that I couldn't decide whether or not to add to the main text. . .

"Today I'm fortunate to have woken up. I am alive. I have a precious human life. I am not going to waste it. I am going to use all my energies to develope myself, to expand my heart out to others, to achieve enlightenment for the benefit of all beings.

I am going to have kind thoughts towards others. I am not going to get angry or think badly about others. I am going to benefit others as much as I can."

H.H. the XIV Dalai Lama
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 06:38 AM
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2. Thank you Stella
:thumbsup: :hug:
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 06:49 AM
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3. This is wonderful
Bookmarking with great appreciation and thoughts of "purple rain". (I never understood that song!)

Thank you, stellanoir :)
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I Have A Dream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 06:49 AM
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4. Definitely worth doing! Recommended!
Thanks for this, stella.

:hug:
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Pharaoh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 07:18 AM
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6. K&R
Because it is positive news whether you care to believe it or not,

I care to believe we will eventually lift ourselves out of this darknessO8)
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 07:24 AM
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7. You are definitely brave to post this
And expose yourself to ridicule.
But then this post is too long for most detractors to read anyway.
But I understood it and I am with you because it is for the good of mankind and I believe in the prophesies that says that " The truth will be cast down to earth and will prosper"
It is certainly time for that to happen.
So K&R and thanks.
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 07:47 AM
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10. LOL . . .It's truly a fine line that distinguishes
bravery from foolhardiness.

I figure that people either get it or they don't.

tra la la. . .
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 07:37 AM
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8. Awareness is a precursor to thoughtfulness. Thank you
for bringing this thought provoking idea to our attention-global wholeness. Also let's use this thought provoking energy to win the congress on Nov. 7. Peace.....
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 07:43 AM
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9. Thanks and do take note
of the invocation on the lower half of the 16th trick. G-d only knows if it'll work but a similar invocation had influence in a different national dilemma years ago so go figure.
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Chemical Bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 07:55 AM
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11. Thank you, Stella.
:hug:
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 08:01 AM
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12. Thanks
:toast:
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 08:26 AM
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13. This might help:
Instant karmas gonna get you
Gonna knock you right on the head
You better get yourself together
Pretty soon youre gonna be dead
What in the world you thinking of
Laughing in the face of love
What on earth you tryin to do
Its up to you, yeah you

Instant karmas gonna get you
Gonna look you right in the face
Better get yourself together darlin
Join the human race
How in the world you gonna see
Laughin at fools like me
Who in the hell dyou think you are
A super star
Well, right you are

Well we all shine on
Like the moon and the stars and the sun
Well we all shine on
Evryone come on

Instant karmas gonna get you
Gonna knock you off your feet
Better recognize your brothers
Evryone you meet
Why in the world are we here
Surely not to live in pain and fear
Why on earth are you there
When youre evrywhere
Come and get your share

Well we all shine on
Like the moon and the stars and the sun
Yeah we all shine on
Come on and on and on on on
Yeah yeah, alright, uh huh, ah

Well we all shine on
Like the moon and the stars and the sun
Yeah we all shine on
On and on and on on and on

Well we all shine on
Like the moon and the stars and the sun
Well we all shine on
Like the moon and the stars and the sun
Well we all shine on
Like the moon and the stars and the sun
Yeah we all shine on
Like the moon and the stars and the sun


John Lennon.

Miss ya John.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 05:46 PM
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28. on and on and on
:)
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 08:52 AM
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14. Thank you for posting this positive, spirit-lifting piece --
and sharing your wisdom with us.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 10:33 AM
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15. There's 10. How's that for irony
;)
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Squeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 10:41 AM
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16. Pascal's wager
His original version had to do with the (Judeo-) Christian belief system. What follows is basically a burlesque of his argument. He said there were two possibilities: either the Bible was right about God and what He wants of us, or it was wrong. And we had two choices: whether to pray to this God and obey the Bible's laws and prescriptions, or not. He analyzed it thusly: if the Biblical God does not exist, and we do not pray, we guessed right, and we get the void after death we expected. If God does not exist and we pray anyway, we guessed wrong, but all it cost us was our Sunday mornings, and maybe the opportunity to indulge in some sins that might have been fun. If God does exist after all, and we pray, we win big, spending eternity at His right hand.

The real kicker is, if God exists as stated in the Bible, and we disobey His edicts, we lose big, and spend eternity in the flaming pit. For Pascal, this was a fate too horrible to gamble on.

I don't buy Pascal's version of the argument, because I can't believe in that version of the deity, but what I see here is a case where his wager applies. If the Cosmic Trigger Event is hogwash, and we ignore it, nothing happens. If it's hogwash and we spend the day thinking nice uplifting thoughts anyway, we may not effect major change in the world, but we may well be improved by the experience, even if only incrementally. If it's for real and we support it, we win big, ensuring our future and that of our favorite planet. If it's for real and we blow it off, or stand on our First Amendment right to be nattering nabobs of negativism, we endanger everything.

So I'm taking that side of the wager. Even if the odds are against it, the cost is trivial compared to the possible consequences. Those of you who know me know that a day without snark is going to be as hard on me as a day without coffee, but I'm gonna go for it. (Wish me luck!)
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I Have A Dream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 11:24 AM
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17. Good luck, Squeech. You *can* do it!
:thumbsup:
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 12:33 PM
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19. hey I Have A Dream
Lets all gang up on Squeech and maske him change his screen name to "Giggles". . .okay. . .? :)
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 12:03 PM
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18. stellanoir...
:hug:

Thank you. Couldn't have come at a more needed time for me.
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 01:06 PM
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20. Your very welcome dear
Edited on Mon Oct-16-06 01:08 PM by stellanoir
I'll envision the petals of one hundred dozen roses showering you throughout the day tomorrow.

You certainly deserve them.

And you aren't the only one who said this couldn't have come at a better time. I'm certainly included in that group as well.

ooooooo there is more info on this event in the astro forum.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=245x28349
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 01:07 PM
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21. thank you thank you!
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 02:53 PM
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22. FINALLY read it all - Wow! Sent it on. Happening on my 7 year wedding
anniversary!
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 03:34 PM
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24. Oh happy anniversary !!!
No wonder I wanted to shower you with rose petals all day. Or maybe I'll goon your husband into doing it. :)

PM me if you want to hear my rant on the alleged "seven year itch." It doesn't always manifest that way.

In short. . . it's a great time to sit down and make a list of what is working well and what is not.

It can deepen a commitment in many cases.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 05:18 PM
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26. Oh yes, I want that 7 year itch rant - I need it as a matter of fact!
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SalviaBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 02:56 PM
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23. Thanks, Stella
It sure can't hurt to give this a try. God knows being pissed off and outraged everyday sure isn't helping. So, I'm with you, I'll be trying to "harbor peaceful, loving, humorous, and grateful thoughts" tomorrow.

Some of your "tricks" will come in handy.

Thanks, Stella
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 05:12 PM
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25. kicking for the night crew
Edited on Mon Oct-16-06 05:16 PM by stellanoir
don't think I've ever done this to my own thread.

I just put some serious effort into this.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 05:36 PM
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27. you sure did - it's great!
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I Have A Dream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 07:53 PM
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29. Kick. n/t
:kick:
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Independent_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 08:16 PM
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30. Thanks stellanoir!
I'm going to put this to good use. There's a lot of things I have on my personal agenda. I'm going to keep most of them to myself. That way I have a better chance of creating the things I want to create. Just like a birthday wish, you can't say it out loud because if you do, it won't come true. I'm going to make myself a personal list of items, focus on them and try to envision some things. Thank you so much for posting this. I hope other DUers enjoy working with this.
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 05:31 AM
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33. You are wiser than I to keep them secret.
I've made that mistake time and time again. Gotten too excited and felt deeply compelled to share some idea or concept and scattered the energy prematurely.

It might sound odd but energetically it sort of akin to having a miscarriage in a way in that I'm not allowing it to gestate long enough.

Thanks for the reminder.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 09:26 AM
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45. self delete
Edited on Tue Oct-17-06 09:27 AM by helderheid
wrong post
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lildreamer316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 11:54 PM
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31. KICK.
Hope all will try to participate in even an incrimental way.
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Buttercup McToots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 05:07 AM
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32. Up Up Up AWa`
:)
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 05:41 AM
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34. "It couldn't hurt"
Like nana said..
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dbt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 06:50 AM
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35. Kick and virtual recommendation!
Also the most pleasant sort of shock at seeing this thread unsullied by the Usual Suspects bent on saving you from your Delusions of Woo-Woo and "magical thinking." That by itself is a miracle. May it be amplified a million times today!

BTW, cherish your kid. The king ALWAYS needs his nose tweaked and the Foole is the only one at court who may do this without losing his head.

:+
dbt
Remember New Orleans

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Buttercup McToots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 06:56 AM
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36. bump
up
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 07:07 AM
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37. LOL
Yeah I was pleasantly surprised by the absence of the "usual suspects" as well.

That happened once before a while ago. . .
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3569357

I wonder if the "nam" chant has something to do with it.

I do "cherish" my kid more than anything and we go wayyyyyyyyyyyy back. I assure you.

Thanks
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 07:31 AM
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38. Dr. Bronner?
Is that you? I thought you passed away peacefully in 1997!
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 08:12 AM
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40. "DILUTE !!! DILUTE!!! DILUTE!!!"
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 08:17 AM
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41. For if we are not All-One,
We are no one! Okay!
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 07:41 AM
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39. I have no idea what any of that means.

It reads like serious spirito-babble.

Does it really resonate with others? :shrug:
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Chemical Bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 08:17 AM
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42. Does it really resonate with others?
Yes, thanks for asking.

Bill
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 09:53 AM
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48. What does it mean? nt
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Chemical Bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 11:48 AM
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50. It means "think positive".
I hope you like that idea.

Bill
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 01:41 PM
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54. Sure, I like to think positively. thanks.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 04:14 PM
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58. Actually, To Correct The Original Reply To You, It Really Means That
a beam of light is bursting towards the earth today, and if enough people think positively while the beam of light is cast upon the face of the earth than guess what? Miracles will happen!

:bounce:
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silverlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 08:29 AM
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43. just another K
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 09:01 AM
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44. Good morning!
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 09:27 AM
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46. An image to focus on
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Laughing Mirror Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 09:41 AM
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47. May All Things Be Happy
Thy will be done.

17h10 is approaching. Time for my bath.

:bluebox:
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grizmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 10:59 AM
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49. missed yesterday's group meditation
but I'll just hop into the wayback machine and put in a round of navel contemplation.

(fade into trance as I "visualize whirled peas"....)


nam-myoho-renge-kyo nam-myoho-renge-kyo nam-myoho-renge-kyo...


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Chemical Bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 11:54 AM
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51. Relax griz...
you can do it today, you can do it tomorrow, you can do it next week, next month, and next year. You can do it at home or at work. Today is the day, and it's never too late.

Funny, I was thinking of that bumper sticker yesterday. :hi: :bounce:

Bill
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grizmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 12:20 PM
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52. I was joking about the time constraint aspect
I'm from the "Be here now" background if you know what I mean
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Chemical Bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 12:36 PM
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53. Yeah, I took acid too.
;)

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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 01:49 PM
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55. you two are too funny
keep it up !!!
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wovenpaint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 04:05 PM
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56. a K&R for 5:10
I'm going outside to my peaceful back yard to meditate now....Thanks, Stellanoir for this GREAT post!
:hi:
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 04:11 PM
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57. Uhhh
:spray:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Peace.
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I Have A Dream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 05:41 PM
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59. Kick. n/t
:kick:
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 11:13 PM
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60. kicking for my dearest buddy
who just returned stateside and I'm not sure if he can access this with all your lovely responses otherwise.

toodles
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 11:17 PM
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61. May all beings be at ease! May the truth come out!
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