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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 01:22 PM
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I think I'm going to just give up and vote Republican from now on
Seriously, why bother. I come to DU and read seven thousand threads guaranteeing the election will be stolen. It must be true, beyond question, and I know now that doing anything like, mmmmm, voting or driving elderly folks to the polls or holding signs or arguing for a change in congress is just a waste of time.

It's already done, right? What's the point?

So from now on I'm William Rivers Pitt (R-Dickhead). Has a nice ring to it.

I love Bush, and don't believe any of the scandals are real. The Dems are to blame for Foley and Abramoff, they hate America, they have no plan for anything, we have to stay the course, fight them over there so we don't have to fight them over here, and besides, no one could have anticipated 9/11 or the insurgency or Katrina or the Taliban recovery or the booming opium crop, and it's all good anyway because Jesus loves me.

So there.

:shaking head:
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 01:25 PM
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1. Most are working asses off for Nov 8, no matter what - machine fraud or no
so why get bothered about it? No one is saying don't vote - and if they do, hit alert.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 01:31 PM
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16. I have not seen anyone suggest not voting
how bizarre.
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LaPera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 01:39 PM
Response to Reply #16
31. Your correct. This is BULLSHIT! NO ONE is suggesting or saying...
Edited on Sun Oct-15-06 01:50 PM by LaPera
not to vote or give up! And even though I know there will be massive voting fraud, it hasn't stopped me or anyone I know from donating our time & money...Though the Diebold stealing is obvious to anyone with a brain...

Yet, fools still want to cry and make up lies and keep their heads in the sand - One should recognize the republicans hold the power and the cards and they will steal...as they have in every election since the machines have been available to them.

If the republicans don't steal the seats they need to maintain power, they know many of them are facing jail time and perhaps impeachment - They know they can not win fairly, the machines are in place (over 80% of the country) the republicans own them and they will do everything to steal the election - The republicans have only gotten better at it with each election...as I read in another thread..."Why not, they keep stealing elections and NOTHING every happens to them".
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 01:40 PM
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35. I have no clue if my vote will count
no one does, and I vote on Touch Screen in my precinct. That does not mean I won't try to have my vote count.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 02:13 PM
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65. Exactly - and won't stop alerting others about the possiblity their votes
can be stolen.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 02:15 PM
Response to Reply #31
68. Yeah, there have been posts saying that -- a lot of posts
about two weeks ago. Many other posts saying the election will be stolen, yada yada yada.

I don't always agree with Will, but there are DEFINITE signs of "October Follies" intruders lately.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 04:24 PM
Response to Reply #31
115. No, what you said is bullshit. Everyone I've called a...
... "hopelessness troll" is like what Pitt is describing.

And there are many others.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 02:14 PM
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67. There have been quite a few posts saying this
Mainly a week or two ago.
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Sugar Smack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 01:25 PM
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2. Will. Really, you want my honest opinion?
You're a goose. :P :*
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 01:25 PM
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3. It's not an either/or.
Keep working to get progressives elected. Keep people talking about politics. But brace yourself and others for the theft.

The more people realize that the election results do NOT reflect the feeling on the ground the more ticked off the voters will become, and the more pressure we can put on TPTB to stop this crap.
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ourbluenation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 01:27 PM
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7. Exactly! Thank you. election issues need to be addressed and
we work on getting our guys in.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 01:28 PM
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9. It's not an either / or.
We have to vote like hell AND then, fight like hell.

It's part of the War on Christmas. :)
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 01:31 PM
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17. happy gayest holidays, darling!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 02:25 PM
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81. Queer cheers!
:toast:
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 01:37 PM
Response to Reply #9
29. If we can win the War on Christmas, the War on Easter will only
be a police action and we will be welcomed with flowers and sweets (since they won't be using them.) Then we can get ready for the Raid on Ramadan.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 02:24 PM
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78. LOL! Sir, yes sir!
:rofl:
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nam78_two Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 01:41 PM
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36. Bingo/nt
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 03:58 PM
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111. Exactly
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 01:26 PM
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4. that's crap, I am here and I am not one of those you describe
as saying there is no hope, it's already stolen, why bother, etc.

I have my doubts about the "elections" in America but please don't paint us all with the same brush.
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trixie Donating Member (696 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 01:34 PM
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24. Well you just go ahead and let them win
just lay down and be done with it. This is our America all 300 million of us. I won't be complacent and just let them think they own it.
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ourbluenation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 01:26 PM
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5. don't let the door hit you on the way out. n/t
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 01:26 PM
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6. we are still on the levers in my part of NYS
what we need is some definitive hack of diebold or someone charismatic and capable of explaining the threat diebold poses.

It is all 0 and 1 (code) to me :shrug:
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bj2110 Donating Member (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 01:45 PM
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41. It's not just the code, damn. The danger is in conflicting interests of
Sec. of state, machine manufacturers, etc... The danger is how manipulative a complex system (like the one that has been created) can be. One in which we rely on vote tallies within hours of polls closing just to satisfy the American "I want it now" culture.
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Monkeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 01:27 PM
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8. Don't talk about how they can steal it work at a poll and stop it
If you vote Republican then that's your problem don't say a word after you do that
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bj2110 Donating Member (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 01:42 PM
Response to Reply #8
38. You got it.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 02:16 PM
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69. You think the OP is serious about voting R? On boy
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 01:28 PM
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10. At exactly what point do the instructions in your sigline come into play?
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ourbluenation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 01:34 PM
Response to Reply #10
23. No kidding.
and I love the will pitt. but this is just dumb.
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freeplessinseattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 04:02 PM
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112. are you truly that dense?? n/t
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 01:28 PM
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11. Are you gonna be born agin' too?
Have a nice Rapture. }(
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Demit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 01:29 PM
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12. Oh, jeez, were we going off on non-Will Pitt-approved topics AGAIN?
We're so sorry. Could you publish them again? We lost our copy.
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greguganus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 01:33 PM
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21. Give him 3 business days and he will be back to normal n/t
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 01:30 PM
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13. Their is some of this mentality around DU
Edited on Sun Oct-15-06 01:33 PM by Quixote1818
I have a feeling most of those complaining about stolen elections are still going to vote though. It is important that people realize how important it is to vote and monitor the elections and I think a good swift kick in the pants can do no harm and could do some good.
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ourbluenation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 01:30 PM
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14. this is a flame-bating stupid thread....lock it up mods!
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 01:38 PM
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30. I agree, Lock it up....Ive seen far less offenses locked. nt
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nam78_two Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 01:40 PM
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32. Indeed
I have personally never seen anyone on DU saying "don't vote"-if I did I would press alert, but its hardly some widespread phenomenon.

There are a lot of people pushing for election reform and warming against complacency.
I have the highest regard for their work and their advocating caution.

There may be people who are that pessimistic and have given up but they are so few in number and after all there is an ignore option.

These threads hectoring people to toe some imaginary line, which seem directed usually at 0.0001% of the DU population seem very counter-productive :shrug:.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 02:18 PM
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70. There have been posters saying it
We had an invasion of quite a fe of them them about mid-September to early October... most new, low-count posters.
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nam78_two Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 02:22 PM
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74. Low post count and saying don't vote
Hmmm.....
I wish the Freepers would get a life :grr:

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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 02:35 PM
Response to Reply #74
87. I know -- they were so obvious about it, too
I think the newest crop are pros, not amateurs -- they are being more subtle about it.

Morans.
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nam78_two Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 03:36 PM
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110. I pity the mods
Edited on Sun Oct-15-06 03:37 PM by nam78_two
I totally understand being super vigilant about the elections and not trusting the Repigs an inch. Most of the election reformers on here I have seen seem to be working towards that kind of stuff.

The pessimistic posts I agree can be a downer and I usually skip 'em but thats usually one or two people and ok I saw a couple of people suggesting not voting Dem. after the torture bill was passed, which I found disturbing. But I never took 'em as being really "series" as it were...I thought it was mostly just venting.

And I really only saw maybe two or three posts like that right after that vote. I guess I missed the recent Freep-Downer attacks.....

Not sorry I did either...
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bj2110 Donating Member (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 01:31 PM
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15. None of those our wastes of time, and I haven't seen anything here
that says otherwise.

What a completely moronic post, imo.

Fact is, that all of those items are important, but none of which matter as much as getting involved in the election process, working election day, becoming the glue that holds our voting system together.

Get out the vote, yes.... Help Dem campaigns, yes..., but, please, please, don't forget to be a witness to and protect our election process. That is priority #1 in my book.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 01:32 PM
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Want me to find you the links?
There are a whole pile of them.
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bj2110 Donating Member (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 01:33 PM
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20. Yes, please find me the links here one DU that say that we shouldn't vote.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 01:34 PM
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25. Way to miss the point.
None of them say "don't vote," but about 50 of them over the last 72 hours basically say the election is already stolen, it's all over.

The effect of these, and the ultimate point behind them, isn't hard to fathom. It's already stolen, so we might as well despair.

But you're smart, so you got that. Right?
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bj2110 Donating Member (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 01:40 PM
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33. You're position was that many of the posts here reflect a battle already
lost.

This is wrong.

Most of the posts which you refer to ultimately are raising awareness that the sanctity of the election process is the most important item in a democracy. I believe this is the intent of all. Don't give up, but fight back where it matters, where we have been losing for 6 years.

I believe that many people here (yes, including me) are "smart" enough to realize this. Sex scandals and FBI probes don't mean shit in a democracy that has lost its primary institution.

Vote, yes, promote, definitely. Stand up for what's right. Believe in your future, yes. But don't forget that we are all powerless without confidence in our election system.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 01:43 PM
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39. That
Edited on Sun Oct-15-06 01:43 PM by WilliamPitt
is what I've been hoping to hear, and yes, a lot of the sentiment I've seen.

But I've seen a hell of a lot more "the battle is lost" sentiments, and yes, I'm poking that shit with a stick.
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bj2110 Donating Member (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 01:49 PM
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45. I sure haven't seen the "battle is lost" posts. Maybe your opinions on
the matter are impacting your interpretations?

And, for the record, poking at shit is not a very effective way to prevent the dog from crapping in the yard. Maybe we should focus on communicating what is important about all this election integrity talk. And not make sarcastic header posts.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 01:52 PM
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49. Actually, it worked like voodoo
One of the doomiest of doom threads was justed edited by the OP to include this:

"We need a huge Democratic turnout and we will have a chance to offset their machines. We need strong Dem voter turnout. Encourage everyone to get out and vote."

These lines weren't in the OP.

So, yeah, mission accomplished.
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bj2110 Donating Member (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 01:56 PM
Response to Reply #49
53. Well, then perhaps you should edit yours. Seems clearer that way, don't
ya think? Maybe if those lines were in your post, we wouldn't have had this exchange.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 01:59 PM
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55. Well
I suppose I should have used the sarcasm tag.

But then again, I was pretty sure I didn't need them.

Kinda troubling to see that they were needed.
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bj2110 Donating Member (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 02:02 PM
Response to Reply #55
59. The thread title may have been sarcastic, but the 1st para wasn't.
There's quite a difference between the content o the 1st para and what you say you are trying to communicate. Sounds to me like you're upset so many people here have given up, which is not the case at all. And to which you just agreed.

How about changing that 1st para. to what was added to the post you referred to? The one which you claim you influenced.
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 02:40 PM
Response to Reply #55
91. I think you're good to go.
We'll be fighting tooth and nail for this one. :D
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 04:26 PM
Response to Reply #55
116. Maybe we also need a tag that says...
"...the following post represents an expression of my fears and should not be construed as an attempt to discourage participation in the democratic process."

:eyes:

Some of us have openly expressed such fears without an explanatory foreword and have been royally slammed for it. I remember another DU where such posts would have been responded to with commiseration or encouragement, but rarely, if ever, the kind of verbal assaults, I've seen here, lately.

:(
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 01:56 PM
Response to Reply #49
54. REALLY?
:rofl:

That fast?
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 02:22 PM
Response to Reply #25
73. They did say not to vote
During a particular infestation about two-three weeks ago.

They have since gotten way more wily -- they saw their compatriots being TSed for being too obvious.
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bj2110 Donating Member (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 02:25 PM
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79. I still haven't seen any.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 02:34 PM
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86. Fine, but they were here -- they were all over GD
Enough so threads were started commenting about the number of them.

I know Will goes off on his rants sometimes, but he is dead on here: we have definitely been heavily infiltrated since sometime in September, and they are posting their little evil hearts out.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 02:20 PM
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72. Lots and lots of posters have been saying that
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SDDEM06 Donating Member (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 01:32 PM
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18. Here is your fate
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trixie Donating Member (696 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 01:32 PM
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19. Just came across this quote from a former republican and
and conservative:

The second identity I am discarding is “Conservative”. While there are principals I agree with among conservatives, I abhor allegiance to the arrogance and self-righteousness of the “voices” of modern Conservatism. It appears as if “Conservative” means I must view the poor with contempt and view the wealthy with honor. “Conservative” means I must defend marriage against homosexuals, but easily disregard heterosexual “Conservatives” who are on their 3rd or 4th marriages. “Conservative” means I must be against bigger government when it comes to the Department of Welfare … but not when it comes to the Department of Defense

It's from a kanga blogring for biblical living.
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 01:33 PM
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22. Mayor Daley and 1960
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 01:36 PM
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26. yeah, it does have a nice ring to it rolling off the tongue but you're...
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jus_the_facts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 01:36 PM
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27. Sigh....
....is it time to kill you now?! Reality Check on that sig line/lion!? :shrug:




~ It's Alright ~

Told you once about your friends and neighbours
They were always seeking but they'll never find it
It's alright, yes it's alright

Where to go and where to see
It's always been this way and it can never be, but
It's alright, yes it's alright

Give it all and ask no return
And very soon you'll see and you'll begin to learn
That's it's alright, yes it's alright

Don't you know that it's so good for you
You can be making love and see it all go through
But it's alright, yes it's alright

So I told you once about your friends and neighbours
They were always seeking but they'll never find it
It's alright, yes it's alright

~Black Sabbath ~ Technical Ecstasy
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 01:37 PM
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28. Don't let the trolls beat you down.
You know they can only win by cheating and demoralizing us is one of their well-honed ways.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 02:24 PM
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77. I'm calling them the "October Follies"
Their little trollie games are sooo annoying.
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 01:40 PM
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34. WILLIAM RIVERS PITT!!!!
Am I going to have to wash your mouth out with soap?

:spank:

B-)
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 01:41 PM
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37. Have Some Chocolate, Will
Just a couple more weeks, and you can knit your nerves back together, and gird for the next fight.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 01:44 PM
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40. Will, Will, Will...
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 01:45 PM
Response to Reply #40
42. I know that, you know that,
and it is pretty amazing what happens when you don't use the sarcasm tag around here. :)
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 01:50 PM
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47. I knew you weren't going R...
;)
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agincourt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 01:48 PM
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43. I think the election will be stolen,
But I'm going to go vote democratic anyway, go figure.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 01:49 PM
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44. To tell you the truth
it's exactly that sort of crap that's kept me away from DU lately. I'm sick of it. Every positive post will have at least one (if not a hundred) comments stating "they'll steal it anyway." I mean, what the fuck's the point?

I'm flat-out sick of it myself.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 01:53 PM
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50. Same here. It's disgusting. Our leads in the polls are being
called "historic," yet there are still some tin foil hatters and Eeyores on the board who are making us the laughing stock of political cyberspace.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 01:54 PM
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51. But I'm a flame-baiter
for pointing it out. :)

Like I said in a post above, it's amazing what happens around here when you don't use the sarcasm tag. I really think there are a few people in this thread who believe I'm going to become a Republican. Hee. :P
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 02:00 PM
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56. Well I'm glad you did it. People need to learn--even if via
sarcasm--that a victim, conspiracy theorist mentality never got anyone anywhere.

How many times has this one been posted...

"THE FIX IS IN!"



It's true that some of this is troll activity, but there are others who just seem to want to wallow in their own victimhood instead of volunteering to work for candidates or work at the polls.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 02:01 PM
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58. Thank you for getting the point.
:toast:
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 02:11 PM
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62. You're very welcome. And thanks for posting this.
It was needed.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 02:25 PM
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80. I can't believe people DIDN'T get it
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No DUplicitous DUpe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 02:53 PM
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99. 814 Pages! The number of times on this site "The Fix Is In" is mentioned
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 03:01 PM
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103. That is pure gold.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 03:06 PM
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105. The reason I noticed it was that it's one of the cheesiest cliches
I've heard in quite some time...I mean it sounds like something from an old movie or cartoon! :rofl: But I did NOT notice it 814 times. I have to work for a living, etc. :rofl:
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 03:03 PM
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104. AAAAHHHHHHH
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

:rofl:
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 03:32 PM
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108. that's the most frightening thing I've seen all day
what the hell?
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ourbluenation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 02:01 PM
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57. 1) nobody thinks you're voting GOP 2) this is a flame baiting thread
Edited on Sun Oct-15-06 02:01 PM by ourbluenation
the end
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 02:06 PM
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61. Yep
Edited on Sun Oct-15-06 02:06 PM by seasonedblue
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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 04:46 PM
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117. "Sly Boots".
Edited on Sun Oct-15-06 04:50 PM by btmlndfrmr
You little soup stirrer. Heh.

... a timely venue. We need to hit the beachhead on-mass. Turnout will secure this election. A positive mindset makes part of the formula. Turnout is the "Operation Neptune" of 2006. With it, we CAN overcome hacked equipment.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Neptune.

Have faith in election fraud's " Hobart's funnies" ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hobart%27s_Funnies
... in the likes of Richard Hayes Phillips, Cliff Arnebeck, Landshark just to name a few to do their part.

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bj2110 Donating Member (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 02:11 PM
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64. Please-because it is much more important not to be the "laughing stock of
political cyberspace" than to try and get people to realize how important it is to participate in the election system or work to make sure everyone knows that it's vulnerable. Believe me, it ain't common knowledge with Joe Blow American.

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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 02:20 PM
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71. Have you volunteered to work at the polls? n/t
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bj2110 Donating Member (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 02:22 PM
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75. I will be there. Doing my best. And my wife is handing out flyers.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 02:26 PM
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83. Good For You!
:toast:

If everyone who could did the same, we'd have a lot more healthy optimism around here.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 01:50 PM
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46. Glad you finally woke up and see how great Bush is
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 01:51 PM
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48. No one said not to vote.
We should be discussing the possibility of election fraud.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 02:26 PM
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82. Yes they did, Eric
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 04:51 PM
Response to Reply #82
118. Who? NT
NT
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 01:55 PM
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52. I don't think you should bash those who wonder if we'll have another
election stolen from us. Unless and until we have a paper trail on the machines, we just won't know for sure. All of us are working our butts off and remaining optimistic, but tell me the most upbeat of DUers don't have this fear in the back of their minds. In some ways I'm dreading this election because I remember how hard I cried in 2004 and I'm now convinced Ohio was a Diebold gift to Bush. I really, really, really want to believe it'll be a Democratic tsunami - it should be - but Shrub and Rove are pretty darn smug when they should be shaking in their boots and that gives me pause.
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 02:03 PM
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60. Oh fuck it
It isn't worth it
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darkmaestro019 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 02:11 PM
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63. That may be. But I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees.
Edited on Sun Oct-15-06 02:25 PM by darkmaestro019
I don't know if I have the presence of mind to put this into words--I'm having a whole year of absolutely the worst events of my life--and I've found myself pondering this from kind of a metaphysical standpoint. I think of the Republicans as just a manifestation of Them--Ecthroi, if you like, or pick a word that suits you for whatever force wants to end the cycle and ruin all things beautiful, keep mankind ignorant and enslaved.

That force may be unstoppable, but at the end of everything I want my name on whatever list of those who FOUGHT ANYWAY. Because if They convince us it's not worth fighting, They've won already.

Fight vote fraud. Vote anyway. Protest. Carry signs. And yes, post here--I lurked here for two years and I resent those who say that posting fury on the Internet is useless. Knowing you are not alone in your fury is a great and terrible comfort. Sometimes the only comfort.

This time the "fury" is coming from everywhere, and if those bastards miraculously win anyway it will be IMPOSSIBLE for the vote fraud to remain hidden and mocked as tinfoil-hat silliness.

EDIT: And yes, I know the OP was sarcasm. I'm replying to what the OP was "replying" to...the general sense of hopelessness. I don't blame those who are discouraged, though. I blame those who seek to convince us to drop our weapons before we even try to swing.
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davekriss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 02:14 PM
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66. 18,181 x 3
You know WP, I really fear the election will be stolen. Every one of us should fear the same. After witnessing Florida in 2000, Georgia in 2002, and Ohio in 2004, anyone of us without fear and deep concern is naive. Despite that (imo) well-grounded fear, I vote.

Most vote stealing attention has been on the Presidential election, but who here can forget that Max Cleland was leading Saxby Chambliss in 2002 by 5 points in the days leading up to election day, put ending up losing by 7 points (53% to 46%), a 12 point swing in just a couple of days. And incumbent Democratic Governor Roy Barnes was leading challenger Sonny Perdue 48% to 39% and ended up losing to Perdue 52% to 45%, a 16 point sudden and inexplicable swing. Further, Perdue's win was the first for Govenor for the Republican Party in Georgia in 135 years. Inexplicable, but more importantly relatively unchallenged in court or by organized dissent, which (I think) enabled 2004. And of course the lack of effective challenge to Bush's inexplicable win in Ohio leads us up to 2006. Anyone who thinks election stealing is not a serious possibility, and that the means to do so is not already in place -- well, I have a bridge I want sell you over there in Brooklyn. (Data available from here.)

Having said that... Until we rise up and storm the White House, march on the Capitol, and flood the courts, our vote is all we've got. Our victory needs to be overwhelming, so large a gap that the myriad Republican operatives' fear of tearing asunder the illusion of democracy is greater than their fear of a Democratic ascendancy.

I will be pleasantly surprised if, after election day, we have control of the House. It will reaffirm a degree of my faith in the American political system. However, I don't expect it. And not because I think there will be a Republican resurgence -- I just think the mechanics for suppression of the Democratic vote and for tweaking vote counts is already in place and will be fully exercised. The neo-cons have far too much at stake to allow a free and fair election.

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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 02:22 PM
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76. I'm one who believes that ALL elections in America are now rigged
BUT, we must vote. If we don't vote, they won't have to steal it.

Stealing it is an act of treason and at some point, we also must hold them accountable for it.

Dozens of DU anti-"Conspiracy theory" activists did their part to help blunt legitimate concerns about the corruption of our voting system. Nothing substantive has been done to fix what is now a widely known problem. In fact, it has gotten worse since 2004.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 02:28 PM
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84. So volunteer to work at the polls! n/t
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 02:41 PM
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92. I did in 2004
the cheating doesn't happen at the poll.

it happens in the machine's software.

poll watchers provide an important check on many kinds of abuse, but the Diebold cheat is invisible to poll watchers and workers alike.
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DisgustedTX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 02:31 PM
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85. Uggh. More desperate attention needed for the kings of the Rove indictment
:rofl:
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 02:37 PM
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89. What?
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 02:37 PM
Response to Reply #89
90. Exactly
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 02:43 PM
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93. Bizarre afternoon on DU
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 02:46 PM
Response to Reply #93
94. It will get even more bizarre in the weeks ahead,
I'm guessing.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 02:47 PM
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95. Oh, I'd bet money on that guess
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 03:00 PM
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102. The way the polls are looking now,
it's guaranteed.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 02:36 PM
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88. When you cast a Republican vote, please PM me.
Because that day I'm going to buy a winning lotto ticket.

lol
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 02:48 PM
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96. Seven threads maybe. No where near seven thousand
You make it sound as though it is a much bigger problem than it is.
Why do you do that?
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 02:49 PM
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97. never mind. really.
Edited on Sun Oct-15-06 02:51 PM by Lerkfish
not worth it, sorry.
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Nictuku Donating Member (907 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 02:51 PM
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98. I am so looking forward to voting
... I even dreamed about it last night. I went to the wrong polling location, and then I was unprepared at the polls in my dream! I hadn't done my homework on the various issues to vote on in my area.

I was /so/ glad when I woke up and realized it was just a dream.

Today I'm going to get out my absentee ballot (which I have already received, and which I hand-deliver to the polls on election day), and make sure that I'm up on the progressive votes for the various issues. I know Yes on 87, but that is about it.

Hopefully I can find some kind of progressive site to help with some of these decisions.

Candidates are easy, except for Judges. I have a hard time getting info about the judges who are running.
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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 02:55 PM
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100. Shaking head
Somebody wake me up when I'm dead LOL :silly:
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 02:57 PM
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101. What, no sarcasm icon?
I just hide threads left and right these days, so to speak.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 03:06 PM
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106. I'm going with LaRouche
I don't trust the GOP any more than I trust the dems. They're both controlled by Skull and Bones.

LaRouche is the only one I trust.

:sarcasm:

and yes, it's sad the sarcasm thing is needed. :-(
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boolean Donating Member (992 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 03:20 PM
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107. Calm the fuck down
The more people who vote Dem, the more it'll be reflected on exit polls. (Not to mention the regular prediction polls)

If the pukes "win", then we'll KNOW it was stolen.

So vote Dem and see if there are any shenanigans.

Personally, I'm CAUTIOUSLY optimistic that the pukes can't pull of such blatant fraud this time around, but I'm not holding them to any standard. Fraud DID occur in the last elections, but maybe if enough people vote Dem, it'll be much too obvious if they commit it again. (Again, I won't put it past them, though!)

I don't understand why you are so affected by people on DU being REALISTIC. Even if you are one of those who don't believe the MOUNTAINS of evidence indicating stolen elections, do you think the election process is not at the very least suspect? Even after seeing the Diebold hacking video?

Personally, I'd rather see an end to all these "Why do people post about election fraud!" threads.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 03:34 PM
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109. good idea
:eyes:
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 04:17 PM
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113. I already voted and it's mailed..and never ever will an R go near my name!
Edited on Sun Oct-15-06 04:19 PM by flyarm
and because i voted i will be driving seniors, and going to nursing homes to pick up absentee ballots to hand deliver , i will answer phones at dnc, and make calls asking people to make sure they vote..i am going to fund raisers for candidates...and passing out pamphlets for dem candidates..and county fairs..and every place i can...

and i will never concede an election to the evil son of a bitches in this white house!!

the past 3 weekends i was out passing out info on our dem candidates...

i didn't this week because my 73 yr old aunt fell down stairs this week and was operated on and my uncle has cancer so i was looking after him...and cooking for him..and helping my all guy cousins make arraingements to move their mom into a rehab from the hospital...but i will be right back at it tuesday night...going out with candidates to a jewish community center..working on gotv..

so if anyone is bitching..they aren't doing enough...because i see what i saw in 2004..a very angry public..and very motivated dems working their asses off!

and i am seeing many repugs who have had it as well..coming and listening to our dem candidates..because they are fed up.

If you are worried i say get up and go do something..we all need drivers for seniors who can no longer drive themselves to the polls..or want their absentee ballots picked up/...

we always need people manning the phones...go spend a saturday making calls..

is this democracy worth giving up a day of your time for??

talk to your dnc ..if you are young they may need someone going to the schools or where kids hang out..and get the kids motivated to vote..

there is a job for everyone..and now is not the time to give it up..now is the time to get off our asses and get to work!!

just my 2 cents..fly



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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 04:19 PM
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114. I hate the hopelessness trolls too.
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 04:55 PM
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119. Locking
Flamebait.

mvd
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