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BlueStater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 07:55 PM
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Another good reason not to want Hillary as president.
If Hillary wins and is elected president and serves in that position until 2013, do you realize there would have been a Bush or a Cliinton in the White House for 24 straight years? 32 if you count Bush Sr's years as VP?!

For God's sakes, it has to stop! It's just not good democracy for two families to run the country for that damn long. And I feel it's pretty sad that, after nearly 15 years, we still can't supposedly find any decent candidates other than the Clintons.
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 07:59 PM
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1. I'd take the relative peace and prosperity
of "a Clinton" over the madness of a bush any damn day of the week. If it's Thursday, it must be Bash Hillary Day on DU. sheesh!
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 08:47 PM
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6. Got that right!
BTW I think Bash Hillary day has been expanded.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 01:08 PM
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28. I'm pretty sure in the Chinese calendar it's the year of Hillary Bashing.
And it's only gonna get worse....
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 02:50 AM
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20. Why DUers hate Democrats and the good things Democrats...
... have done is beyond me.

Was Clinton1 perfect? Of course not. Duh.
Was Clinton1 an excellent President? Of course. Duh.

Why do DUers hate excellent Democratic Presidents? That's not rhetorical - the OP's derisive usage of "a Clinton" exhibits the scorn clearly.

Sheesh - DU genius at work again I guess...
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BlueStater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 01:38 PM
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32. Will you please point out where I said I hated Hillary?
Personally, I don't particulary care for her but that's a fine line from hating her.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 01:46 PM
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34. I dislike Clinton because he lead directly to Bush-II.
Between his promoting what were basically Republican policies
and his lack of Willy Control, Clinton-I led almost directly
to Bush-II.

And Clinton-II voted for Bush's war.

Tesha
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 02:41 PM
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41. I only bash Hillary on days ending in Y
but I also bash Bush and the GOP much harder on those days. :silly:
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 08:01 PM
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2. I do want Hillary as president someday...
I like her and support her.

But like you, I don't want her to run in 2008 for those same reasons. I prefer her to wait and then run.

If she does run in 2008 and gets the nomination...she'd get my vote.
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Oleladylib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 08:04 PM
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3. Sounds like a good plan
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Brundle_Fly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 02:14 PM
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39. She Can't wait.
Obama in 2013 will slaughter anyone else.
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Union Thug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 08:04 PM
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4. I don't like her either - but if she's what we have after the primaries,
then I'll support her. But not enthusiastically. ;-)
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 08:05 PM
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5. I don't think any of the big name can win in 08
Clinton, Gore, Kerry just will not do it.
On the repuke side, I hope America has seen the light and none of their crooks will see the light of day.

We will need someone to come from nowhere and hit the scene. A Governor or junior Senator, maybe a previous VP candidate like Edwards. It has to be someone with charm, like Clinton had in '92.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 05:52 AM
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23. Edwards?
Why, oh, why oh why do we want to nominate milquetoast?

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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 05:57 AM
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24. Clinton (Bill) has more than charm.
Edited on Fri Oct-13-06 05:58 AM by Jim4Wes
Clinton has the ability to explain complex issues in simple terms and get it right. I've never seen anyone do it better.
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 08:53 PM
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7. I'm moving to France or something
This country is a joke. I pray I won't be born an American next lifetime. I really used to think it was a privelage. Now, I know, we are in massive denial and a fricking joke. That's what I think about this "democracy." Excellent point about the years and years of Clintons and Bush's. . IF this was a Democracy it wouldn't be allowed to have a president's SON be a president. Or a wife or a husband of a former president. That's too much POWER in too few hands. Kinda like one nation under a corporation that America has become. It's a joke. It's all a massive joke.
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 08:59 PM
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8. Get a grip!
With Clinton, the People actually CHOSE him twice! With Bush, the Machines and the Partisan "vote counters" chose him. Had the People been allowed to have their say, we would have had a President Gore and perhaps a President Kerry. If the People wanted Clinton twice, there's nothing wrong with that. He didn't make our Country a joke. You need to point that judgemental, wagging finger in Bush's face, not Clinton's. We were friggin' LOVED when Clinton was Pres ... and the Repugs just couldn't handle that. Sounds like some here on DU can't either. Kinda strange, if you ask me.
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 12:19 AM
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14. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
If you don't like the way things are going, then work to change it. Leaving is for cowards.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 12:32 AM
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16. Bullshit, it's a choice
Don't tell me I am a coward if I want to live somewhere else.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 12:45 AM
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17. "Wait! Wait! I never had a chance to love ya!"
http://www.liberaloasis.com/2006/10/blogger_reviews_kee...

Sorry, couldn't resist the White Lion reference and a promo to a book I have not yet read, but I am sure will be very good based on the blog he writes.

I always remember Douglas Adams' comment about the President. The President's job was not to exercise power, but to draw attention away from it. Speaking of Adams, we had a John Adams followed very soon by a John Quincy Adams and we seem to have done okay. Not to mention the inbreeding that goes on in Congress and governorships. Failed Presidential candidate Alf Landon is the father of former US Senator Nancy Kassebaum who is the mother in law of current Senator Sam Brownback. Not to mention the Taft dynasty with William Howard Taft who was President and Chief Justice of SCOTUS, son Robert Alphonso Taft who was a 3 term Senator, grandson Robert served 7 years in the House and 6 in the Senate, great grandson Robert who was Governor of Ohio. And so on.
But the people in office are often not as important as the laws they pass
http://www.commondreams.org/views06/1012-25.htm
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 02:51 AM
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21. Bye.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 01:09 PM
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29. Um....check the definition of democracy.
The President doesn't have all that much power. The problem with the Bush regime isn't Bush himself - it's the huge clique surrounding him.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 09:34 PM
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9. Sorry but I don't think that's a good reason
talk about her position on the war or something else. This is more a "general principals" argument that says "just because". Need more substance.
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BlueStater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 11:35 PM
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12. It's only one reason for why I'm not supporting Hillary
And, frankly, I think it's a pretty good reason. It's bad for democracy to have only two families run the country for so long.
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Placebo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 09:36 PM
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10. How the hell is that a reason at all?
If you want to analyze politics and American democracy based soley on years and names, then you have no f'n idea what you're talking about.
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BlueStater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 11:33 PM
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11. There's no need to get snippy with me
You could've just said "I disagree". Or offer a legimitate reason for why I'm wrong other than "you have no f'n idea what you're talking about".
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 11:55 PM
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13. I dislike your reasoning but I agree with your conclusions......
Edited on Thu Oct-12-06 11:59 PM by Rowdyboy
However, just because Bill Clinton served 2 terms should not disqualify Hillary from serving. She is a remarkable woman who deserves to be treated seriously.

You mention that Bushes and Clintons have been in power now since 1980. Actually, there's been a Nixon, Dole, Reagan, or Clinton on EVERY ticket since 1952 (except 1964). Thats over half a century.

I hate the very idea of dynasties but it appears to be a new part of American democracy.

We can do better than the Clintons or the Bushes.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 06:26 AM
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25. dynasties
Nixon, Dole, Reagan or Clinton.

Two of those families only had one politician in recent times, correct?

The Bush's can be called a dynasty, the Kennedy's, I am sure there are several others but in the case of the Clinton's, this is a married couple where both had already been active in politics. I am not sure I would characterize that as a dynasty it is not even generational.

Most of the problems in our system come down to money in my opinion.
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Floogeldy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 12:31 AM
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15. Equating the Bush family with the Clinton family . . .
Is like comparing a pile of stale bear shit with a continent full of roses.

And your mother blows.

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Alamom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 02:17 AM
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18. Thank you ....Excellent analogy.
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lies and propaganda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 02:21 AM
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19. yeah, thats a great fucking reason.
completely asinine.

Try finding something useful, like policy or voting records, to base your opinions on. Not a goddamn last name.
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BlueStater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 12:40 PM
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27. Why the hell is everyone acting like a jerk in this topic?
I know I'm not the most active of posters but I have given plenty of other reasons for opposing a Hillary candiacy. And, not one person, has given me a reason for why there's nothing wrong with the same people running the country for 20 years.

Your post has a nasty tone to it which is completely uncalled for.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 01:10 PM
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30. The OP has no logic in it.
eom
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BlueStater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 01:35 PM
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31. How?
I'm baffled by the number of people in this topic who seem to think it's not a good reason for opposing a Hillary candiacy. This reason has been presented in numerous other discussions and didn't get the kind of opposition it's getting here.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 05:41 AM
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22. Can we get through this election cycle before we start in on that?
one at a time in plenty
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 07:06 AM
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26. I'd Vote For Roger Clinton To Get The Pugs Out Of The White House
eom
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Ohio Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 01:44 PM
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33. Under President Clinton
I think things were being run pretty damn good. If Hillary gets the nod, though not my first choice personal, I will vote for her without hesitation.
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BlueStater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 01:48 PM
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35. Of course I'll vote for her if she's the nominee
I'd certainly rather have another President Clinton than ("shudder") President McCain.
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Ohio Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 02:16 PM
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40. theres a thought that gives me the willies
McCain running the country :scared:
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 01:48 PM
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36. So a Repub with a surname that's neither Clinton nor Bush would be better?
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BlueStater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 01:51 PM
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38. No
A Democrat with a surname that's neither Clinton nor Bush would be better.
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mark414 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 01:49 PM
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37. that is a simple but good reason
we are not a monarchy we are a democracy!

thankfully hillary has given me about 8 million other reasons to never ever vote for her, even if she IS the nominee.
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