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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 06:32 PM
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Poll question: Do you think in the current environment of school shootings, that guns
(even play guns) have any place in the school environment?
This is in reference to this thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
I just can't see any reason for anyone to be wagging a gun--toy or otherwise-- around on a school campus.
Teachers and students shouldn't have to give pause--even for ONE second--if a gun is real or not.

Sorry, polls are turned off at Level 3.

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razors edge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 06:35 PM
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1. some cops are too trigger happy nowadays. n/t
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 06:38 PM
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2. Should be allowed as play props, training devices, or other
Edited on Thu Oct-12-06 06:39 PM by slackmaster
Educational purposes.

I would not want kids to be allowed to bring them in for non-instructional purposes, such as intimidating others. Also not OK to bring them simply as toys, as they might be mistaken for real weapons with all the predictable bad fallout.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 06:48 PM
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3. I never let my sons play with guns that looked real
Space guns, giant water guns, sure. Nothing that looked real in any way. They started shooting real guns with me when they were very young and they always knew the difference. Now that they are adults, they understand my reasons for the play guns and the extensive gun safety training. They know all too well what real guns can do, and it's all too easy for a play gun to be mistaken for a real gun... by a cop or a gansta. Either way, you lose.
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Retired AF Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 07:11 PM
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4. Since schools
are no gun zones, play or otherwise, this is a stupid poll.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 07:39 PM
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7. Except for cops, right?
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Solo_in_MD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 07:39 PM
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8. Which "No gun zones" ?
U.S. v. Lopez killed the 1994 Federal law and the state laws are a patchwork, some of which would not stand up to serious scrutinty. Also some schools have rifle teams, JROTC and other activities that legitimately bring firearms on campus.
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benEzra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 10:52 PM
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18. Congress re-passed the Gun Free School Zones Act essentially unchanged
and no challenges to it have yet made it to the Supreme Court. So it's still technically a Federal felony to bring a firearm within 1000 feet of any school property (even to drive down a public highway that comes within 1000 feet of a school, with an unloaded firearm in the vehicle) unless you are licensed by the state to carry a firearm.
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Solo_in_MD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 07:29 PM
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5. I support school rifle teams and JROTC units
Which means I support real guns on campus in controlled circumstances.

Toy guns as props are also ok. Youngest daughters school used florent pink clear water pistol for practice and switched to a more realistic prop for performance. There was still whining from the anti gun crowd said it was unaccetable even that way. Drama dept quite correctly told them to pound sand. Hard to have a pistol duel without them...
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 07:29 PM
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6. Absolutely not. Having worked in elementary schools,
there is an expectation of "appropriateness", so, I would assume that toy guns are already not allowed in the majority of schools.

There may be a valid reason for High Schoolers to use a toy gun in a play, in rare circumstances. Shoot-em-up drama would not be appropriate, even for mature High Schoolers.
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Solo_in_MD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 07:44 PM
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10. Never seen a HS do Peckinpah
But can think of a lot of dramas, particualrly historical ones where firearms are required as props. There are sensible ways to do it, though I have seen the antigun wankers whine about the choice of material just because firearms were incidental props (western, police, military...)
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 07:48 PM
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11. "Annie Get Your Football" just doesn't work.
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Solo_in_MD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 09:16 PM
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12. Neither does Fiddler on the Roof with unarmed Cossaks
Which is one of the shows whined about.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 09:22 PM
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13. I'm not anti-gun
by any means.
However, I am prudent enough to realize they don't belong in schools.
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Solo_in_MD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 09:25 PM
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14. Not even prop firearms in dramas where they are correct and required?
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 09:29 PM
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15. This wasn't an issue not too long ago
However, the environment is such now, that just like in the story that I linked to, someone leaves the prop lying around.
So a kid does what a kid does and picks it up. Goofs around with it, someone calls the cops, and the kid either ends up tazered, in cuffs, or shot because of the fear of school shootings.
One of these days, maybe our country will come back to it's senses, but right now, I would be terrified that the child holding the toy weapon could be injured by someone who thought they were saving the world--when the kid was just being a kid.
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Solo_in_MD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 10:04 PM
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16. Your concern is the only rational one Ive heard, but it can be managed
I thought the drama teacher who used bright pink water pistols had the right approach. As for the more realistic ones, its a simple matter of managing the inventory after the performance and reminding the student actors about the hysterical nature of the anti gun crowd.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 10:07 PM
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17. I like the idea of bright pink water pistols
Or as I stated, carved wooden ones with exaggerated features to distinguish them from the real thing. Those are obviously toys.
However, I have seen some pretty authentic-at-a-glance looking toy guns.
Maybe I should be more clear. Those are the ones that scare me.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 07:40 PM
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9. Telling kids they can't use guns as props in plays...
strikes me as a form of bullying.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 11:07 PM
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19. it is school. NO toys are allowed. books, paper pencils... but
no toys.
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