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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 02:18 PM
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Poll question: On Dec 12th, 2000 - Did you ever think it would get THIS bad
The day that SCOTUS handed the keys to of the White House to the Bush administration was a sad day for most of us here. I knew it would be tough times but I had no idea just how horrible it would be. On that fateful day back in 2000 I never expected that in less than 6 years our country would ever get as bad as it is today. We have a war with no end, our surplus is disappearing faster than our constitution and even though we should do well with this upcoming election, I'm still thinking that the repukes will find a way to steal it.

Our country has, without a doubt, gone to hell in a handbasket and for the life of me, I just never expected it to ever get this bad.

So I'm curious - back when the SCOTUS decided they were more important than the voters and gave the election to Bush - did you ever think it would get this bad

Sorry, polls are turned off at Level 3.

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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 02:21 PM
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1. I expected some straight up Reaganite BS
But I forgot they needed an 'evil empire' to point at and to justify their injustices.

They got one.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 02:21 PM
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2. I thought it wouldn't be that bad, but it certainly has been
I thought we'd suffer through four years of crap, but I thought it would be a like his father's term - uninspiring, but not that bad.

Of course at that time I'm honest enough to admit that Michael Moore and Ralph Nader had me pretty much convinced that there was no difference between Bush and Gore (I suspect they convinced more than a few of you as well, although it's not fasionable to admit it).

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 02:41 PM
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23. Well, I'm feeling brave enough to admit the same.
"...I thought it would be a like his father's
term - uninspiring, but not that bad.
Of course at that time I'm honest enough
to admit that Michael Moore and Ralph Nader
had me pretty much convinced that there was
no difference between Bush and Gore"


Yup, that really describes my mindset back then as well.

I really never imagined he would (or COULD) turn everything
so completely to shit in such a short time frame.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 02:23 PM
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3. No.
I knew that George W. Bush was going to drive the Republican Party into the ground. I didn't know about 9-11 and therefore he'd take another four years and the rest of the United States into the ground with him.
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greeneyedboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 02:23 PM
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4. i didn't think he'd outdo Reagan, but boy was i wrong.
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sarge43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 02:23 PM
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5. I thought it would be this bad.
My words on that day, "I hope I'm wrong, but I think my country just died."
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 02:23 PM
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6. Let's just say my worst fears have been realized....
and then some.
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Phredicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 02:23 PM
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7. I figured Shrub would be a crappy president like his Pops.
If only we'd been so lucky. :scared:
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 02:26 PM
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13. That's exactly what I thought
I had no freaking idea.
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 02:24 PM
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8. As long as bushco and the rethug majority hold office.........
the country will continue downward.
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 02:25 PM
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9. If I could have
I would have clicked both of the first two options.
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MrModerate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 02:25 PM
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10. Call me an optomist . . .
I thought it would be disappointing, but that external forces would drive politics to the center, and we'd have George HW Bush Mark 2, a single term's worth, and then Gore'd come in and claim the office rightfully his (and sweep up a small amount of Busina debris).

Oh.My.Frakkin.God, did I call *that* one wrong.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 02:25 PM
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11. I wrote this on Dec. 12, 2000
Not My President

The individual citizen has no federal constitutional right to vote for electors for the President of the United States unless and until the state legislature chooses a statewide election as the means to implement its power to appoint members of the Electoral Collegethe State legislatures power to select the manner for appointing electors is plenary; it may, if it so chooses, select the electors itself.

- U.S. Supreme Court Decision
George W. Bush et al. v. Albert Gore, Jr. et al.
December 12, 2000


A soaking rain is falling in Boston tonight, and just a little while ago I heard thunder out my window. My lonely little plant is getting lashed by the wind coming through the screen, but it is a warm wind, carried on a storm from the south. Somehow, that seems fitting. The pathetic fallacy was discredited as a literary contrivance long ago, but a part of me cannot avoid sensing ill omens in the sounds of the night.

There is so much to talk about. Rather than try to string several topics into some semi-coherent theme, I am subdividing this column into several segments. I leave it to my readers to lash them together and understand that they are all part of a coherent whole.

All the Presidents Men

George W. Bush has come to Washington, D.C. He, too, has been carried north on a southern storm. He brings with him a man named Andrew Card, who will likely become Chief of Staff at the White House. Card has been for years the best friend of corporations like General Motors, which makes him the very personification of what the environmentalists who voted for Nader fear and dread.

George W. Bush has also come to Washington D.C. with Colin Powell in his entourage. Powell has been named Secretary of State, representative of the executive, the man who will be the face America shows to the diplomatic world. I am gladdened that an African American has assumed that sacrosanct post, but I wonder if such a gesture can heal the wounds torn open by the systematic disenfranchisement of African American voters in Florida.

It requires notice that millions of people have died in Iraq since Colin Powell last exercised governmental power. Few of them have been soldiers, and not one of them was named Saddam Hussein. The military policies that Powell helped to set in place in Iraq have led to rampant starvation and disease, affecting civilians almost exclusively. Over a year ago, a United Nations report counted the dead among Iraqi children, and informed us that 500,000 of them had been lost to the sanctions and the aftermath of the war. That number has no doubt grown since then. Our new Secretary of State has blood on his hands without having served a day at his post, and gasoline is more expensive than ever.

Lady Justice, Blind and Crippled

George W. Bush has arrived in Washington D.C. with many others in tow. His strongest allies, however, are already there. Trent Lott and Tom DeLay are there, as are Orrin Hatch and Strom Thurmond. These stalwart Republicans now control both Houses of Congress, and the task of ramming through the new Presidents agenda falls to them. It can be assumed that campaign finance reform, responsible budgetary planning, or any manner of environmental protection are nowhere to be found on their wish list.

William Renquist, Clarence Thomas and Antonin Scalia are there. George better bring flowers, because he owes them his success. When these men asserted that the counting of votes in Florida would be injurious to Bush, they all but assured his ascension. When they went further to claim that the December 12th Electoral College deadline was inviolate, a safe harbor that could not be abrogated, they broke faith with the nation they swore to serve in order to cement the election for Bush.

Twenty-one states did not get their Electoral College votes in to the proper authorities by December 12th. I guarantee those late states will have their votes counted on December 18th when the College meets to choose our leader. The most important votes, the ones from Florida, were chosen by that states legislature because nobody in Florida actually had the right to vote in this election, according to the men mentioned above. In short, the decision in Bush v. Gore applies only to the state that has determined the race in favor of the candidate whose politics agree with the majority on the Supreme Court. As my friend Will Shakespeare might say, something is out of joint.

Never to Forgive, Never to Forget

Much of the media would like to sweep this unpleasantness under the carpet, to lull us into complacency, to turn our eyes towards the new administration and away from the mob action and judicial malfeasance that put them in office. It is the safer course, to be sure. Let us watch the unfolding drama together, and revel in the coming warfare between the parties, as if the coming inauguration actually has some legitimacy to it.

I will not be a part of that national amnesia. I will not forget what has happened these last few weeks, and I do not accept George W. Bush as my President. From this day forth, nothing I write or say will recognize him as holding that office. He is a fraud and a pretender, and he lost the election. Do not ever attempt to convince me otherwise. I will pay my taxes, and if I am called upon to protect my country in a military crisis I will serve, because thankfully George W. Bush is not America. But he is not my leader, and I will spend the next four years resisting him and his work.

I do not expect my words can convince those who supported Bush. They have gotten what they wanted and what they worked for, and they are passed caring about the manner in which their goal was achieved. I write now to the faithful, to those who believe George W. Bush and his plans for America are dangerous and wrong. I beg you to remember what happened in Florida.

Pay close attention to the events that are to come. We have learned much about our country in the last few weeks, and little of the lesson serves to warm the heart. Do not forget what we have lost, what the country has had taken from it. Watch everything that transpires through the lens of your hard wisdom, and prepare yourself for a long siege. Do not weaken. Soon enough the wheel will come round, and if we remain faithful and strong, the scales will be set aright.

Unwanted Baggage and Final Thoughts

I write also to those of you who did not vote. Simply put, I hope you are properly chastened. If after all that has passed and all that is to come, you people still refuse to take responsibility for the state of your own country and add your voice to the body politic, you will no longer deserve the right to vote. If you do not understand by now that every vote counts, you should be shunned as fools, cowards and dead weight. There are 100 million of you right now, and I lay the blame for whatever happens in the next four years squarely at your feet. Do not dare complain about anything. You had your chance to have a voice. You may yet, in 2002 and 2004. I will pray for you, that you come to see the light.

It is now the age of compassionate conservatism. I have been sounding the alarm about this for two years. That my warnings were not heeded is painful, but I am comforted by the fact that I found my voice and made it heard. I will spend the next four years shouting from the rooftops. I intend to be the raven over the great seal of George W. Bushs ill-gotten office, bending a knee to his empty mandate nevermore. When he says the words, The people have elected me to, I will remind all who would listen that the people did not elect him. George W. Bush is no longer the dull-witted fool we love to mock. He is now the most dangerous man in the world, and he must be watched very carefully from now on.

There is a long road ahead of us. Those of us who love our country and dread what this process has done to the peoples ability to determine their political fate must remain vigilant and angry for four long years. I am here, and I am ready. It has been said that America works best when we have a common enemy. For years we had the Soviet Union. If the Republican party warmasters and the arms-dealing corporations they serve have their way, we might soon have China. My enemy is George W. Bush, and I am not alone. Keep the faith. Tend the flame. Never forgive, and never forget. There will be a reckoning.
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solara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 02:51 PM
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25. I wish I had known more back then..especially about you
and your incredibly brave, honest and articulate writing.. I thought I was just paranoid.
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Marnieworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 02:25 PM
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12. I thought about the SCOTUS picks and right to choose
I worried about specific progress being rolled back and dealing with hearing this arrogant idiot for 4 years. Even before 9/11 there was a steady drum of horror. They immediately rolled back laws for women, re-inserted gag rules for clinics abroad, sealed the Reagan and Bush records, rolled back environmental protections and clearly only had cronys in leadership positions. I worried about how Theocratic things could become. But no, I had no idea how bad it would be. I never dreamed of the Patriot Act, wiretapping phones and internet communications, no more Habeaus Corpus, the President is a King? It is so much worse. I know Sandy O'Connor regrets it but too little too late.
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jmatthan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 02:26 PM
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14. We begged Gore not to concede
My wife and I are not Americans, we do not live in the US and never have or never will, but yet we emailed and begged Al Gore not to concede the election.

But, of course, he did not listen to us!

Great politicians are those who have vision.

Al Gore's vision was severely limited!

The mess you are in is of his making. ;-)

Jacob Matthan
Oulu, Finland
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Der Blaue Engel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 03:24 PM
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30. Rigggght. This mess is all Gore's fault.
You forgot to blame the Clenis. :eyes:

Hey, maybe it's all Finland's fault for not invading us to stop it. :sarcasm:
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 03:48 PM
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36. Gore had no legal recourse.
Check out the US Constitution some time.

Gore still has vision, but he was deserted by his party & the media.

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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 08:13 AM
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56. gore could have challenged the florida electors.
i agree he was abandoned.

the fact that he's still playing the two party game doesn't speak too well of him. he should have bolted and opposed bush openly and immediately, at every turn. he could have said, "if this is what is allowed by the constitution then we need to change the constitution." his retreat was not "presidential".
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 12:31 PM
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57. One Senator & One Representative must challenge a state's electors.
The House's Black Caucus came forward, but no Senator could be bothered. After a successful challenge, both houses would have voted on whether to accept Florida's electoral votes. Due to the Republican majority, Bush probably would have been appointed anyway.

Yes, I regard the Electoral College as an undemocratic fossil. But we're stuck with it unless the Constitution is Amended. Gore is an old-fashioned type who does believe in the Rule of Law. (Of course, those stories about threats to his family might be true, as well.)

Gore was "presidential" & has become more so. Let Nader argue against "the two party game."

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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 02:26 PM
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15. I figured Bush would suck and get booted out in 4 years.
Edited on Thu Oct-12-06 02:27 PM by sparosnare
Living with him as governor here in Texas, I already knew he was worthless. However, I certainly didn't expect events to unfold as they have - 9/11 and the subsequent power grab. Every time Bush and the GOP take another step towards fascism, I tell myself "It can't get any worse" and then it does. I shudder to think what can happen if we don't take the House at least because 2 more years of Bush unleashed is terrifying.
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 03:40 PM
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33. I thought he would be a one termer for sure.
I thought he would completely discredit the Republican party, and pave the way for the election of a Democratic Congress and Democratic President. I was right about everything except how the elections would turn out. :(
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 02:27 PM
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16. actually I was worried the dumbass would get us all killed
He still has 2 more years.

:scared:
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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 02:28 PM
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17. It's going to get much much worse...
...you don't remove a well entrenched criminal, fascist regime working within the system which they have virtually complete control of---it just doesn't happen. No revolution, no relief.
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teamster633 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 02:29 PM
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18. chimpolini is a concrete example of the infinite...
...the infinite capacity to do harm. He is everything you'd expect of a frat boy failure and less.
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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 02:34 PM
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19. Texans knew....
Edited on Thu Oct-12-06 02:35 PM by rainbow4321
Back in Nov 2000 there were a bunch of Texans online trying to tell the rest of the country that this asswipe had destroyed our state, listened only to his $upporter$, ignored the factories that were polluting our state (grandfather clauses in state laws kept his buddy factory owners in business)...he lied to Texans when he promised to finish his 2nd term in Gov. office--- but then he and his cronies turned the election for the LT Gov into a fucking bloodbath to get his repuke lt gov into office. WHY?? Becuz if the Dem had won Lt Gov, it would have left TX in the hands of a Dem gov once chimp fled to DC.

Fortunately, most of the country heard us and he *didn't* get elected..unfortunately we didn't do a good enough job of convincing the SC.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 02:34 PM
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20. I thought it would be this bad but..
I didn't think it would go this far and I didn't realize how many criminals were a part of the congress and scaredy cats.
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 02:37 PM
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21. My thinking went about this far.
1. Collapse of the 90s economy

2. Massive terrorist or "terrorist" attack

3. War in Afghanistan

4. War in Iraq

I foresaw all of this during campaign 2000 if Bush won (or "won")... I didn't let myself think of number 5, which seems to come with a nucular ba-boom no matter how you figure it.
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solara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 02:41 PM
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22. Yeah and I knew it could get worse
because I had a terrible dream that night. I dreamed that Bush would be our -last- President....so, no matter how optimistic I sometimes feel because I see that the tide -is- turning, I just can't shake the deep feeling of doom that has stayed with me these past 6 years and I am still waiting for the other shoe to drop
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 02:51 PM
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24. In 2000 I thought all we had to do was suffer through 4 years of
incompetence and then we'd send Bush on his merry way. I had no idea it could get as bad as it did.

In 2004 when he "won" another term I knew it was going to get worse before it got better. I can't imagine how bad it will be when we finally get a successor for Bush, because I don't think he has quite hit bottom yet.
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Ino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 02:55 PM
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26. I was disappointed, but not scared
Oh well... there goes environmental protections, and the rich will get richer. At least he has seasoned statesmen around him. He'll get voted out in four years after everyone figures out how STUPID he is.

I never thought it would get this bad. I never thought things COULD get this bad! And things wouldn't be so bad if Congress had done its job, but they haven't done a damn thing but what he wants.
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featherman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 03:05 PM
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27. It was my 56th birthday and I began to question whether I would live to
see the day that the GOP would be turned out of power. Let's see...I'm still here so if I hang on another 24 days then maybe...maybe...sigh
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SpreadItAround Donating Member (265 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 03:06 PM
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28. If I had known about the PNAC...
...back then I would have voted differently but I didn't know about them back then so I voted "I didn't think it would be this bad"
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WePurrsevere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 03:10 PM
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29. Actually I thought it would be worse. I was going to vote for the 1st one
because of that however I voted "other" because I want to modify it a bit. It could get a whole lot worse (and probably will)*IF*... Dems can't win control over the House and, even better yet, the Senate as well. Dems then need to dig in and just say HELL NO to any more neo-fundie-CON BuSh*.

When BuSh* was appointed in 2000 I went into an odd panic ("odd" because I'm normally very much an optimist) and told my husband and daughter that the SOB would get us into a war within 2 years and damn near kill us all. I knew it would be very bad and so far I've been right... the best hope we have to turn it around and reign in the twit that would be king is by winning a healthy majority in less then one month so we can effectively neuter these neo-fundieCONs.
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 03:36 PM
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31. I didn't think so in 2000, but I have thought so ever since March '03.
When the bombs started dropping on Baghdad, I felt there was no limit to how far this country would fall. I haven't been shocked by anything since, though I was in shock for a while at the time.
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aintitfunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 03:37 PM
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32. I never imagined that so much harm could be done
by anyone let alone by the smug, spoiled rotten son of a former president. I suspect Sandra Day Oconnor has her regrets over the appointment, though she is unlikely to speak it out loud.
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 03:41 PM
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34. I knew we were in for misery, but I had no idea just how bad it could get
I knew he was bigotted, unimaginative slacker who had it all based on daddy's name. I din't realize that the puppet masters behind him were so insane.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 03:43 PM
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35. I was celebrating my oldest daughter's 19th birthday on 12/12/00
Edited on Thu Oct-12-06 03:43 PM by 48percenter
despite our happiness for her, we all knew it would get bad. I fear unless the Dems knock these pricks out of power, it will become unbearable.
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 03:52 PM
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37. Option 1. People. HE'S A BUSH.
Anyone who knows about this ruthless, self-serving American monarchy and their heinous past should have probably guessed that when you put arguably the second biggest and dumbest dickhead of the bunch (next to Babs Pierce, of course) with a ocean-sized chip on his shoulder, you would get an America that potentially would be destroyed under his careless and rich-coddling reign.

I mean, did REAGAN get corporations and the rich laid as much as Bewsh is doing at our expense? Seriously, it's a battle.
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 03:57 PM
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38. When the networks at first reported on election day that
it appeared Gore had won Florida, I became very emotional and turned to my daughter and said, "Jesus, I hope so because if that Bush idiot gets in it's curtains for this country."

On December 12th I became emotional all over again and had a horrible sinking feeling in the pit of my stomach knowing the USA as I knew it was over. One instance where I hate having been right.
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 03:59 PM
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39. I thought it would be a rerun of Bush One.
Years that sucked, frankly, but not LIKE THIS.
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 04:10 PM
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40. I didn't expect him to do much
Granted I didn't like him and I voted for Gore, but I was uninvolved in politics at the time. I figured we'd just chug along during the next four years generally at the status quo. After all, the election was obviously not even a moderately strong endorsement of him, so I hoped (naively) that he was going to respect that. I guess I vastly underestimated how horrible of a person he was.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 10:00 PM
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42. **sigh** if only that were the case
:cry:

At least if he 'didn't do much' we'd probably be no where near where we are today
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VelmaD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 07:20 PM
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41. I had him for a governor...
I knew. *sigh* And I told people...but they didn't really believe me.
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 01:17 AM
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43. silly, silly, stupid me. i thought he was such a fool he'd be harmless!
Edited on Fri Oct-13-06 01:17 AM by orleans
can you believe some of us ever thought such a thing? god!

on edit: (is this a new version of true confessions?)
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 01:24 AM
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44. I still remember how I felt when he came out to make that first speech
Edited on Fri Oct-13-06 01:25 AM by calimary
in front of all the flags, introduced by the leading Democrat in the Texas legislature I think it was - as this big-ass symbol of the wonderful bipartisanship to come (YEAH, SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURE), and he talked mighty purty, with all these soothing statements about how he knew he hadn't been elected by a landslide and how he intended to work together with those on the other side of the aisle. I still felt this weird, deep sense of forboding. You know how that is - you can't put your finger on it, but you just know something's not good, or not going to be good. Forboding is pretty much what it is, I guess. I felt that so strongly and didn't know why. But it was really deep-seated - one of those "uh-oh... here's trouble" feelings. But I never in my worst nightmares...
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loyalsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 04:19 AM
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45. I expected him to be dumb
too dumb to accomplish anything he wanted to do. I expected that people would reject him because of his "stupidity."
Instead I have discovered he's mean, and arrogant and somehow cleverly gets people to respond to his perceived supidity.
And has unfortunately accomplished far beyond what I could have imagined possible in my worst nightmare.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 05:12 AM
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46. Nope.
Then again, I was a dumb kid at the time. I mean, I was smart enough to pledge on December 12, 2000 that wherever I was, no matter what I was doing, in 2004, I would scrap those plans and go campaign for the Dem candidate the next time around, but that was about it. And I didn't even mean that when I pledged it, to myself, not thinking anyone was listening. Little did I know...I thought Bush would fuck up the country through his own incompetence, but didn't see him as part of a regime that was either this callous or this soulless. Because, well, dumb kid.
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 05:18 AM
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47. I Nearly Miscarried My Baby I Was So Distraught
I knew what was coming. I began having dreams of him killing one of my children long before Ben joined the Marines. The good news is folks the tide is about to turn. Big time. We are gonna catch the break we have been longing for for 6 years. It is almost here.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 05:28 AM
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48. Hey we are talking probably the worst ever
Edited on Fri Oct-13-06 05:28 AM by Jim4Wes
President, empowered by a sleezebag congress and aided by a public that doesn't get factual information most of the time. Its BAAAD!
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 07:28 AM
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51. I don't know - I still give that to Reagan
I mean, if Reagan was never president then Bush Sr. probably would have never been VP or President. And if Bush Sr. never made it to the White House then Jr would probably be hungover somewhere this morning
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 06:27 AM
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49. I know it could get worse, but I NEVER thought our country
would sink so low. 9/11 was only a fraction of a terrorist attack compared to the attack of the Bush Administration. 9/11 brought us love and unity, not just here but around the world. The Bush Cabal has brought us hate and division home and abroad. It truly is heart wrenching how low this country has sunk.
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 06:52 AM
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50. I called him a "dangerous idiot" back then
Edited on Fri Oct-13-06 06:53 AM by npincus
I was terrified what could happen with a dolt of his magnitude 'driving the bus'... but somehow hoped checks and balances and some oversight would mitigate the problem. WRONG.
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 07:36 AM
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52. I remember saying that I felt Bush would destabilize the middle east
and a colleague saying she was afraid he'd destabilize the entire world. I shuddered to think, but now I see she was right.
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 07:48 AM
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53. The ONION predicted everything!@!
The first inkling I had that this was going to be bad was when the Onion, the satirical newspaper, published a bizarrely prescient front page story:

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/28784

Bush: 'Our Long National Nightmare Of Peace And Prosperity Is Finally Over'

January 17, 2001 | Issue 3701

WASHINGTON, DCMere days from assuming the presidency and closing the door on eight years of Bill Clinton, president-elect George W. Bush assured the nation in a televised address Tuesday that "our long national nightmare of peace and prosperity is finally over."

"My fellow Americans," Bush said, "at long last, we have reached the end of the dark period in American history that will come to be known as the Clinton Era, eight long years characterized by unprecedented economic expansion, a sharp decrease in crime, and sustained peace overseas. The time has come to put all of that behind us."

Bush swore to do "everything in power" to undo the damage wrought by Clinton's two terms in office, including selling off the national parks to developers, going into massive debt to develop expensive and impractical weapons technologies, and passing sweeping budget cuts that drive the mentally ill out of hospitals and onto the street.

During the 40-minute speech, i[]Bush also promised to bring an end to the severe war drought that plagued the nation under Clinton, assuring citizens that the U.S. will engage in at least one Gulf War-level armed conflict in the next four years.

...

On the economic side, Bush vowed to bring back economic stagnation by implementing substantial tax cuts, which would lead to a recession, which would necessitate a tax hike, which would lead to a drop in consumer spending, which would lead to layoffs, which would deepen the recession even further.

Turning to the subject of the environment, Bush said he will do whatever it takes to undo the tremendous damage not done by the Clinton Administration to the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. He assured citizens that he will follow through on his campaign promise to open the 1.5 million acre refuge's coastal plain to oil drilling. As a sign of his commitment to bringing about a change in the environment, he pointed to his choice of Gale Norton for Secretary of the Interior. Norton, Bush noted, has "extensive experience" fighting environmental causes, working as a lobbyist for lead-paint manufacturers and as an attorney for loggers and miners, in addition to suing the EPA to overturn clean-air standards.


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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 08:06 AM
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54. i knew we had entered the twilight zone
where anything could happen. and it has.
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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 08:08 AM
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55. The Onion predicted it pretty accurate:
Edited on Fri Oct-13-06 08:09 AM by Beelzebud
The day it was announced W won, The Onion had this as their headline story:

Bush: 'Our Long National Nightmare Of Peace And Prosperity Is Finally Over'

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/28784

It's spooky how accurate they were. Here's a snip from their "fake" article:

"We as a people must stand united, banding together to tear this nation in two," Bush said. "Much work lies ahead of us: The gap between the rich and the poor may be wide, be there's much more widening left to do. We must squander our nation's hard-won budget surplus on tax breaks for the wealthiest 15 percent. And, on the foreign front, we must find an enemy and defeat it."

Tell me thats not spooky. It's like they read his mind.
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