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Keepontruking Donating Member (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 11:52 AM
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National Health Care

Do you realize that what we spent on the war, we could have
insured all of America ????  So lets ask ourselves and the
powers that be, what is more important.... killing or
saving???????????

Circus Girl
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Reverend_Smitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 11:54 AM
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1. I don't think you'll find any disagreement with that on this site
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 11:55 AM
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2. Insured, plus paid for a nose job or lipo for everybody, too.
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focusfan Donating Member (884 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 12:00 PM
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3. National healthcare would help everyone
except the insurance companies.Ford and GM would be in a lot better shape as would a lot of other businesses large and small.I think a small co payment would be needed to keep people from running to the ER everytime they catch cold or get a crossways fart.
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davekriss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 12:14 PM
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5. While not against the notion of a copay...
...that argument, that without it people would run to the ER everytime they catch cold, is a red herring. Empirical data does not back that up (there is some marginal abuse when the "consumer" does not pay some, but it is background noise, insignificant). However, I certainly would support national healthcare with a copay, so no argument here.
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brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 12:50 PM
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7. They don't necessarily go to the ER...
but I've observed a significant number of folks who could accurately be called hypochondriacs who 'overuse' healthcare. Some are 'self-made' - but I can't help feeling that the plethora of drug ads in the media combined with sample-pushing by doctors contributes to some of this. This is costly - and in some cases, dangerous. We are a very over-medicated society.
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Keepontruking Donating Member (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 05:51 PM
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9. ER Runs
Hey folks as an ER Nurse and a  Critical Care Cardiovascular
Nurse, We in the medical profession are taught not to judge
people. we are taught to listen and assess.  If they say they
are sick, or feel pain we believe them.  Who are we to tell
them they don't feel pain or they don't feel sick?  We work
them up. It is amazing the weird things that can go wrong
with your body and if you believe it it is true ...so we give
them to Psych. It is still a medical profession.  Everybody
has their turn to need some help ...trust me!!!!!!!!!!!  
Circus Girl
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 12:10 PM
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4. It would be easier than that.
By eliminating all the bloodsuckers and going to a single-provider system handled by Medicare with zero private insurance company involvement we could save enough to cover everybody who is currently uninsured.

The potential administrative savings of $286 billion annually under national health insurance could:

  • Offset the cost of covering the uninsured (estimated at $80 billion)

  • Cover all out-of-pocket prescription drugs costs for seniors as well as those under 65 (estimated at $53 billion in 2003)

  • Fund retraining and job placement programs for insurance workers and others who would lose their jobs under NHI (estimated at $20 billion)

  • Make substantial improvements in coverage and quality of care for U.S. consumers who already have insurance

    http://www.citizen.org/pressroom/release.cfm?ID=1623
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    Vexatious Ape Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 12:17 PM
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    6. We'd have to be in control of both theSenate
    and the House--and have a real Democrat in the White House.
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    applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 04:15 PM
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    8. IF you spend today what you spend today on private & public health
    care.. you could have public health care - I think. It is that cost effective. Canada pays about $2000 per person per year. USA upwards of $5000 per person per year currently.
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    Keepontruking Donating Member (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 05:55 PM
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    11. cost
    They found the money for the war ...not health cost...divide
    your costs by what we have spent on the war....every last
    last cent....including VA benefits for these guys
    lifetimes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Circus Girl
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    OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 05:58 PM
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    13. Its a very good point
    one we need to keep making in the next couple of years.
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    Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 05:54 PM
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    10. EEEK! Socialized Medicine!!!
    Durn bleedin' heart, commie, hippies, want to undermine 'Murkin values like starvin' the poor and killin' people.

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    Keepontruking Donating Member (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 05:56 PM
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    12. hippies
    chuckle!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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