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IdesOfOctober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 11:36 AM
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Halliburton whistleblowers and new DOJ task force ...
http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/content/oct...

I wonder what sparked this inside-the-Beltway, multi-agency task force? And, oh look: prosecutors from the Eastern District of Virginia are helping to spearhead the task force, which is looking into the issue of kickbacks and graft.

http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/locations/ale.htm

This is the same Court that has taken jurisdiction of the Moussaoui case: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=moussaoui+east...

; )

Alexandria, Virginia sure seems to be a happening place these days.

By my MapQuest calculation, David A. Smith - the Halliburton whistleblower whose claims Halliburton characterized as "completely without merit" - lives 4.53 miles from that Federal Courthouse, with an estimated driving time of 10 minutes.

With the new US Patent & Trademark Office, the George Washington Masonic National Memorial, and great shops, restaurants, and a movie theater within easy walking distance of this state-of-the-art Courthouse, I would imagine anyone who's been called before a grand jury would have plenty to do after each session with the grand jury.

http://www.gwmemorial.org /

http://www.uspto.gov/index.html

http://www.tedsmontanagrill.com /

My understanding is that the grand jury rooms are high-tech, enabling a tech-savvy witness to lay out electronic data - e.g., the full text of e-mails that are "completely without merit" - for the grand jury to review.

Ides
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IdesOfOctober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 08:22 AM
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1. Backgrounding journalists...
... near the courthouse, at Ted's, leads to full bellies and full reporters' notebooks.

Ides
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IdesOfOctober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-14-06 08:52 AM
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2. Will George Allen be caught up in this new task force's...
... public corruption and graft investigation?

Virginia voters wanna know.

Ides
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-14-06 02:02 PM
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3. I Predict "Yes"
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Buttercup McToots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-14-06 02:33 PM
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4. Who
the hell am I dancin` with?
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-14-06 02:47 PM
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5. Asked the Devil of...
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IdesOfOctober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-14-06 03:16 PM
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6. He's the Phone-a-Friend Lifeline ...
... like no other.

I want to see him audition for this new show: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=1+vs.+100+nbc

Ides
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 02:40 PM
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7. Only If Rummy...
... is 1 of the 100.

; )

- Dave
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 02:42 PM
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8. Happy Ides of October!
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 03:31 PM
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10. Bells, Bonfires, and Illuminations...
... from one end of this Continent to the other?

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=adams+letter+j...

- Dave
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 02:49 PM
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9. Old Town! Fish Market! Mr. Ray!
may Mr. Ray rot in his fat, sodden carcass....big pug donor, hugh jasshohl
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IdesOfOctober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 08:31 AM
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11. ???
Not sure I follow.
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Buttercup McToots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 02:57 PM
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12. Sooooo
What's new?
:bounce:
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IdesOfOctober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 07:35 PM
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13. Long day, could use...
... an "e-less" whisky.

; )

I suspect tomorrow will be a good 'un.

Ye?
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Buttercup McToots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 07:52 PM
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14. Yea
my friend...I is waitin`
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windbreeze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 02:43 AM
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15. I certainly hope so....oh yes, I do...
Have a good evening...
windbreeze
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Buttercup McToots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 05:32 AM
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16. Good Morning
And what a fine fine day it will be...
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IdesOfOctober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 06:38 AM
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19. From your lips...
... to God's ears (with a little help from the media bullhorn, perhaps)...

; )

Ides
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Buttercup McToots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 09:46 AM
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22. Balvenie
Is a staple in oor wee hoose...
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 10:01 AM
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24. Uh-Oh
Don't you know you're not supposed to discuss sex, religion, or politics in polite company?

(Scotch falls under at least two of the three.)

Grab your best war kilt. This could get ugly, knowing Ides.

- Dave

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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 05:36 AM
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17. When you say DOJ investigation you are saying SHAM...
Edited on Tue Oct-17-06 05:37 AM by Hubert Flottz
Made for TV shams. Republicans investigating republicans for real ain't going to happen with Gonzales running things and the SCOTUS stacked in the GOP's favor. There are no...repeat ZERO, checks and balances anymore. After today there isn't even a real Constitution. FORGETABOUTIT!
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IdesOfOctober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 06:37 AM
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18. If you really believe it's true that there are no...
... honest, decent, Constitutionally-grounded prosecutors left:

1. Do you think Fitzgerald's investigation into the Valerie Plame Wilson leak is a sham?

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=fitzgerald+wilson+...

2. Do you think that Senator Kerry's long-time legal counsel was wrong to direct David A. Smith to speak to the DOJ about the mis-directed e-mails he received, which were intended for David R. Smith, VP of Tax at Halliburton?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Was David just directed to run to the wolves, or do you think that there are still career prosecutors at the DOJ and career investigators at the FBI who take their oaths seriously?

Personally, I think there are still solid law enforcement officials, doing a job made harder by: (1) Bush cronies; and (2) public cynicism.

Ides
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 09:22 AM
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20. Waxman's Gavel
I think that many career prosecutors and FBI agents will feel safer to operate in the open again, once Waxman has this gavel: http://reform.house.gov /

http://www.democrats.reform.house.gov /

- Dave
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 09:27 AM
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21. I like the sound of that: Waxman's Gavel!
and I like the sound of what you two have been saying over the last few weeks.

you are the epitome of citizen activists, and I have fervent hopes that your actions will bear fruit.

what's the time frame on the State Street situation?

when does that start, with the trip to Mass?

and, the big question, will this go beyond Business Week; do the dems have ANY M$M contacts, contacts that will catapult this story into the public consciousness?

hate to be pessimistic, but nothing but Foleygate seems to have any traction, and that's being swept away by fears of nukular holocaust

trying to remain sanguine, but.....
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 09:56 AM
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23. Waxman Is a National Hero, in My Book...
... as is his staff.

They have created a safe haven for Halliburton and other BushCo. whistleblowers.

"I like the sound of what you two have been saying over the last few weeks."

Hopefully, by now, it is clear that this isn't a flash in the pan, but the product of long labor.

"you are the epitome of citizen activists, and I have fervent hopes that your actions will bear fruit."

That's very kind of you to say. I am grateful to come from a family (and to be the product of a school system) that teaches this stuff. Every 8th grader in West Virginia is required to take WV History and Civics, culminating with the Golden Horseshoe Test, the longest-running program of its kind in America: http://wvde.state.wv.us/goldenhorseshoe/about.html

Plus, those Civitan pins mean a lot to youngsters.

"what's the time frame on the State Street situation?"

I'd hate to give a date certain on that, and then have it turn out to be delayed.

"when does that start, with the trip to Mass?"

On the advice of counsel ... LOL.

Seriously, whatever investigations and/or in-depth news stories that may or may not be under way have little or nothing to do with this week's upcoming hearing in my criminal trespass case.

"and, the big question, will this go beyond Business Week; do the dems have ANY M$M contacts, contacts that will catapult this story into the public consciousness?"

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say, "Yes, most definitely; but you can help." How many people do you care about enough, to spend the time to teach them how to check their pension plan for a State Street connection? Sitting back and waiting for this to reach a critical mass is one thing. This is one story where every single American can help grab the MSM by the ear and say, "COVER THIS STORY!"

"hate to be pessimistic, but nothing but Foleygate seems to have any traction, and that's being swept away by fears of nukular holocaust"

This may help dispel some of that pessimism: http://www.google.com/search?q=halliburton+nigeria+brib...

There is a natural ebb and flow to news coverage. Many of the same reporters who've covered the basics of this story are working on follow-up pieces.

; )

- Dave
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 10:25 AM
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25. I still believe in the Mountaineers, so maybe I'm not a total loss!
I hope you're right about what's left of the justice system in this country, but I haven't trusted them, since they appointed Bush in 2000. And the FBI, CIA and the federal courts, have been purged and purged again, by the Bush mafia since 2000.

Do you honestly, still trust the federal government? What have they done in the past 6 years that has won your trust?

I hope I'm wrong too, but I don't think I am...

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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 10:29 AM
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26. Major Harris...
... had a knack for coming through in a clutch: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_Harris

Never bet against Mountaineers. (Montani semper liberi.)

"Do you honestly, still trust the federal government?"

Both in the abstract, and in practical terms of the ability of a few honest players to use the system as it was intended - even against overwhelming numbers - yes, I do.

- Dave
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 10:47 AM
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27. I went up to Morgantown and watched Major Harris play some...
great games, but I think Pat White might break all of Major's records, before he's finished up there. Maybe the "waiting till next year" is finally over in Morgantown and in Washington too. Maybe 2006 will be a great year for WV and for the country too!
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 11:25 AM
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28. Giving Credit Where Credit Is Due: Lou Holtz
Edited on Tue Oct-17-06 11:33 AM by CorpGovActivist
Fiesta Bowl 1989 was a heartbreak for WVU, and for the whole state (I was in high school): http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=fiesta+bowl+19...

In June 1990, Lou Holtz - the legendary Notre Dame coach - was inducted into the American Academy of Achievement as an adult honoree. I was inducted as a student honoree.

As much as I hate to say it, I can see why his players drew so much inspiration from him. He was an incredible speaker.

So was the first adult honoree to have also been a student honoree: Herschel Walker.

http://www.achievement.org/autodoc/page/wal0pro-1

http://www.achievement.org /

It's a great program. No application - students are chosen without their knowledge. In fact, when the notice came in the mail, I almost threw it away, thinking it was a scam. The philosophy is that there should be at least one thing that high school seniors don't have to compete for; it's meant to give the adult honorees a chance to spend a long weekend letting their hair down around college-bound seniors, and to give those seniors a chance to meet some of the luminaries in their areas of interest.

In 1990, the program was held in Chicago. The opening night was surreal. I was one of the last to arrive (all-expense paid flight and lodging). My group of stragglers was picked up from the airport by shuttlebus, told to freshen up in 15 minutes, and come back to the lobby of the Hilton to catch the bus again, to the Field Museum of Natural History.

Back on the shuttlebus, the other students and I were comparing notes at the back of the bus: "Did you apply for this? Me neither. Ever heard of this program? Me neither."

Looking to the front row, I noticed an adult who looked vaguely familiar. I kept one ear to the conversation going on around me, but kept stealing glances at him. Suddenly, it dawned on me.

Standing, I walked to the front of the bus. "Excuse me, I don't mean to bother you, but aren't you Dr. Jarvik?"

He looked pleased and embarrassed, but said yes.

"It's an honor to meet you," was all I could say, and I returned to the back of the bus, to report to my new friends (funny how quickly any group of high schoolers bond, huh?). This new piece of data only deepened the mystery for all of us.

What *was* this program we'd been whisked off to?

At the Field Museum, we were informed that we had the run of the place; it had been closed, just for us. Once inside, we discovered that all those students whose flights had gotten into Chicago before our flights were already there. A major Egyptian exhibit (not Tut, but still cool) and the Impressionist gallery still stand out in my mind.

When we were called to dinner, it was in the atrium, and it was fancy enough to require cards printed on stock paper, describing the menu.

Over dinner, my new friends and I continued to speculate about what this was all about. By now, we'd all caught sight of at least one famous adult, milling around the museum.

Dinner over, we were ushered into the auditorium. At this point, "Spence" - as we nicknamed him - took the microphone and began to emcee.

He started off by telling us how much he'd enjoyed benignly eavesdropping on our confused conversations as we admired the artwork, and that his job was now to make everything clear.

(If a crew of Oompah Loompahs had walked across the stage at this point, I don't think anyone would have been that surprised.)

He proceeded to explain that - since the first annual event was held in 1961 - the Academy had selected student honorees such as us to spend this weekend, held in a different American city each year, in that crucial summer between high school and college. He explained the ground rules: (1) no press for the adults to worry about, so they could let down their hair, literally and figuratively; (2) past years' adult honorees welcomed back each year, to come and go as they please; (3) current year's adult honorees required to commit to the entire weekend(*); and (4) plenty of opportunities for the adults and students to interact, during field trips such as this, as well as in Q&A sessions.

Spence proceeded to say that there had been two "asterisks" to Rule #3 this year, and that those two honorees would be available tonight only, right here in the Field Museum of Natural History auditorium (for reasons that would become clear to us shortly, he promised).

Spence then began to do a sort of reverse "This Is Your Life," dropping hints about the first of the two speakers.

On about the third or fourth clue, I gasped aloud (and loudly enough to cause heads to turn near me).

That could only be -

- by the fifth or sixth clue, other gasps and murmurs began to be heard.

The first speaker was former President Reagan, who gave an impassioned - and cogent - speech in favor of the line item veto.

The second speaker was Michael Jordan, who had a game to go to that night.

The highlights of that long weekend are too many to recount here, but Lou Holtz was one helluva good speaker, Oprah has a beautiful autograph, and George Lucas' least favorite of the first three Star Wars movies was Empire (which is my favorite).

- Dave
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 04:44 PM
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30. GOP/DOJ S-H-A-M "Investigation"
Edited on Tue Oct-17-06 04:46 PM by Hubert Flottz
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 06:16 PM
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31. I Doubt That Will Affect the Civil Side...
Here are the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure that deal with post-conviction matters: http://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcrmp/#chapter_vii

When a civil litigant or a criminal defendant dies, it is not uncommon to see a "suggestion of death" (strange name) filed: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22suggestion+of+d...

To the extent that Enron employees and retirees may be worried about the effect this may have on the civil side, I'd say that worry is negligible (e.g., OJ was acquitted, and still lost the civil trial).

If the Enroners are worried about recovery of treble damages, it looks like the case for a racketeering-based recovery of treble damages is still available, based on the other convictions:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=treble+damages...

Your distrust of the system is an ancient root in our democracy, and a hardy and even necessary one.

But there is a long line of cases, going all the way back to the founding of the Republic, that taps into another root: the honest prosecutorial team, overcoming even the most corrupt and seemingly all-powerful syndicate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliot_Ness

- Dave
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IdesOfOctober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 03:21 PM
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29. Waxman's Autopen ...
... signing subpoenas.

Ides
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