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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 12:22 PM
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Hitchens profile in the New Yorker reveals him to be a deranged sadist
Alcoholism is the least of his character deficits. Has anyone read the article in the New Yorker? It's not online. Definitely worthy of discussion, though, as it sheds some light on Hitch's willing assumption of the attack doggy position for the Bushists. In a nutshell, he's a sucker for strokes from people in power, and this allowed him to be seduced by Wolfowitz and other neo-cons, who flattered him with invitations to power lunches at the Pentagon (where, presumably, alcohol was served). Disgusting human being.

Here's more about the article from Ezra Klein:

http://ezraklein.typepad.com/blog/2006/10/christopher_h...




October 12, 2006
Christopher Hitchens Has Gone Mad
The latest New Yorker has a (sadly offline) profile of Christopher Hitchens by Ian parker. It's not clear to me why Hitchens, whose day of influence has decidedly passed, merits a profile, but it's hard to argue when the material is this good. Parker relates a dinner party attended by Hitchens and his wife. Relaxed occasion, Hitchens and some women are shooting the shit over Gavin Newsome's good looks and Iranian politics, when one of the attendees makes a "passing but sympathetic remark" about Howard Dean, saying he felt Dean was unfairly maligned by the media. Hitchen's reply:

Dean was "a raving nut bag," ...then he corrected himself: "A raving, sinister, demagogic nutbag...I and a few other people saw that he should be destroyed.

Hitchens then recalls a time when Dean spoke against mandatory parental notification laws by telling of 12-year-old child who'd come to his office seeking an abortion. The baby was her father's. But Dean hadn't told the authorities of the incident, and it seemed that it may have happened to someone else, or been exaggerated, or something. Hitchens uses this to brand Dean a "pathological liar," and when some at the table protest, Hitchens turns his shotgun full of crazy on the assembled:

"Fine, now that I know that, to you, medical ethics are nothing, you've told me all I need to know. I'm not trying to persuade you. Do you think I care whether you agree with me? No. I'm telling you why I disagree with you. That I do care about. I have no further interest in any of your opinions. There's nothing you wouldn't make an excuse for. You know what? I wouldn't want you on my side. I was telling you why I knew that Howard Dean was a psycho and a fraud , and you say 'That's O.K.' Fuck off. No, I mean it: fuck off. I'm telling you what I think are standards and you say, 'What standards? It's fine, he's against the Iraq War.' Fuck. Off. You're MoveOn.org. Any liar will do. He's anti-Bush. Fuck off...Save it sweetie, for someone who cares. It will not be me. You love it, you suck on it. I now know what your standards are, and now you know what mine are, and that's all the difference -- I hope -- in the world."

This was at, mind you, a dinner party. Why Hitchens went completely insane, losing is a fascinating question. Parker argues, and I agree with him, that he was particularly afflicted by the Great Man of History Syndrome.

In a 2003 interview, Hitchens said the events of September 11th filled him with "exhiliration." His friend Ian Buruma, the writer, told me, "I don't quite see Christopher as a 'man of action,' but he's always looking for our defining moments--as it were, our Spanish Civil War, where you put yourself on the right side and stand up to the enemy." Hitchens foresaw "a war to the finish between everything I love and everything I hate." Here was a question on which history would judge him; and just as Orwell had (in his view) got it right on the great questions of the 20th century -- Communism, Fascism, and imperialism -- so Hitchens wanted a future student to see that he had been similarly clear-eyed (He once wrote, "I have tried for much of my life to write as if I was composing my sentences posthumously.)

Absorb that: This isn't about 9/11, or "Islamofascism," or repression in the Arab World. It's about Christopher Hitchens. It's about his need for an enemy great enough, dark enough, sinister enough, and threatening enough that he can match the exploits and courage of Orwell's unpopular, often courageous crusades.

It explains, too, why Hitchens and so many like him are quick to inflate the dangers posed by Islamic extremists, to make threats out of enemies and existential dangers out of garden variety terrorists. If they don't, if they allow al Qaeda to remain a degraded organization with limited operational capacity that should be mopped up through diligent law enforcement strategies, then where does that leave them in the eyes of history? Orwell battled against Communism, Hitchens is going to take a brave posture against 27 bearded nuts who want white men to leave their lands?

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SheWhoMustBeObeyed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 12:32 PM
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1. It will only confirm my opinion of him, but
I'll be sure to look for it. Thanks for posting.

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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 12:34 PM
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2. I hope it comes online.
It's fascinating to read, in the way a small plane crashing into a high-rise apartment building is fascinating to watch.
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 12:35 PM
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4. I was just thinking something similar.
Christopher Hitchens is like witnessing the aftermath of a car crash. You just can't look away.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 12:36 PM
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7. The pathetic thing is, he thinks he's a hero.
Everyone else knows he's a clown.
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 12:38 PM
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9. He does seem to suffer from delusions of grandeur.
I'm embarrassed for him.
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 12:11 AM
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54. Sounds like a substance abuser, with a bad case of "grandiosity"
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nam78_two Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 12:36 PM
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6. My thoughts exactly
Edited on Thu Oct-12-06 12:37 PM by nam78_two
Can't stand the guy...apart from all else he is a racist asshole.

Some of his comments on the British occupation of India have made my blood boil...
Oh those poor backward natives-where would they have been if they hadn't been civilized by the mighty Brits :puke: :puke:
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 12:48 PM
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16. How he got a reputation as a leftist, I'll never know.
My first impression of him was as the anti-choice curmudgeon in the Nation.
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nam78_two Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 12:57 PM
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20. He is anti-choice too??
Wow he is a busy boy...fortunately never read his columns on choice.

He always struck me as the uber chicken-hawk who is also racist and thinks all the little brown people need to be "civilized"....

Surprised about the choice thing-I somehow thought he used being pro-choice to lash out at Mother Teresa...
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 01:01 PM
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21. I doubt he changed his position. He and Hentoff were famous for being
anti-choice "lefties."
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nam78_two Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 01:05 PM
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22. This is too funny
I just got the time to actually read article now and this comment has me ROFLing
:rofl: :rofl:


>>
Hitchens foresaw "a war to the finish between everything I love and everything I hate."

That would be all the distilleries in the world beating the crap out of Mother Teresa.

Posted by: calling all toasters | Oct 12, 2006 7:52:25 AM

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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 01:13 PM
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27. He got that reputation as a columnist for The Nation back in the 1980s
I let my subscription lapse in the early 1990s after The Nation filled (I think) two issues with a flame fest between Hitchens and Alexaner Cockburn.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 12:34 PM
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3. I wonder if CH had the chance back in the 30's to take on
part in the Civil War in Spain, which side would he have fought...

Or would he have continued to brood in coffee shops and patrician private gatherings and extoll his virtues with crude words held up by only his command of language...

Does this sot actually think anyone will be reading his intelectual masterbation ten minutes after he is gone....
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 12:36 PM
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5. Just read counterpunch. Alexander Cockburn's emails are
fascinating.

http://counterpunch.org/cockburn10112006.html

Am not going to snip. Need to be read. :rofl:
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 12:51 PM
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18. Thanks for that!
:toast:
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tenshi816 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 12:37 PM
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8. This might sound weird,
but I believe Christopher Hitchens has been driven a bit mad by his rivalry with his brother, Peter, who overshadows him completely. Peter Hitchens is more talented, more respected and better looking. Christopher is obsessed with leaving his mark on the world ("Here was a question on which history would judge him ... so Hitchens wanted a future student to see that he had been similarly clear-eyed) and it colours everything he does and says.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 12:46 PM
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14. Isn't Peter rabidly right-wing?
I thought the New Yorker piece said something about that. I've never heard of or read Peter Hitchens, but your theory doesn't seem weird to me given what I've read about his brother.
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tenshi816 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 03:17 PM
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45. He's definitely conservative with a small "c",
but I'm not sure I'd call him "rabidly" right-wing, although he's certainly on the right. I think he just likes being awkward and contrary more than anything else, and he's made a bloody good living out of it over the years. At one time Peter Hitchens was a Trotskyite, and at various times has belonged to both the Labour and Conservative parties (but now belongs to neither and is critical of both). He's anti-religion, but doesn't believe in evolution. He's a snob but writes a "faux plebian" column for the UK's Sunday Mail newspaper. See what I mean? Contrary. (My opinion, BTW, and others here may have a completely different take on the man.)

Peter Hitchens is against the war, which makes him more palatable to me than his brother on that score but, basically, I find each of them as unpleasant as the other.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 03:25 PM
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46. Nice family.
:crazy:

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young_at_heart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 12:39 PM
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10. We skip Bill Maher when he's on
I wish Bill would realize that he is not the least bit interesting on the panel....he embarrasses himself.
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nealmhughes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 12:40 PM
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11. Hitch had one good line back when people read him, re: Ayn Rand.
"Her sole redeeming factor was her ardent atheism," or words to that affect.

Personally, I always say or write "the gin-tossed Chris Hitchens"...
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 12:42 PM
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12. "You're a drink-soaked former Trotskyist popinjay," Mr Galloway informed
Edited on Thu Oct-12-06 12:54 PM by Raster
him. "Your hands are shaking. You badly need another drink," he added later, ignoring Mr Hitchens's questions and staring intently ahead. "And you're a drink-soaked ..." Eventually Mr Hitchens gave up. "You're a real thug, aren't you?" he hissed, stalking away.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 12:44 PM
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13. you beat me to it
someone needs to unplug and dry out.
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 01:22 PM
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28. Great minds think alike. Galloway's slap upside Hitchen's head is a
classic, and WELL deserved. For the life of me, I can't fathom why anyone would still pay Hitchens deference. His time has come...AND GONE!
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 12:48 PM
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15. Isn't it amazing how these drunken saps like Hichens envy Dean so?
Edited on Thu Oct-12-06 12:48 PM by shance
They are so jealous and frightened of individuals like Governor Dean and the good that they do - Governor Dean works hard, earns what he receives, and individuals like Hichens and his narcissistic ilk are pathological takers by nature.

People like Hichens know they are frauds.

And because they know this, they project their failures and fears onto everyone else, namely those who have been contributors to the good and the hope in the world, like Governor Dean.

To vampires like Hichens, I bet Governor Dean does look like day light rising, or a stake to be driven through a heart.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 12:50 PM
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17. Hitchens is a colonialist at heart.
Democracy leaves him cold.

:hi:
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 01:31 PM
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35. Hi back*
n/t
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 12:53 PM
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19. Personally, I feel sorry for him
Edited on Thu Oct-12-06 01:09 PM by Zodiak Ironfist
He is a serious alcoholic. So bad he cannot help but to show up to work that way...on television....everywhere.

He does not help the right at all, which is why we have seen precious little of him, lately, I suspect. He is about as charismatic as Alan Colmes, and for far worse reasons.
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TheBaldyMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 01:06 PM
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23. Hitchens is a RW toad,
another self-loathing ex-lefty who muddies his emotions with booze.

He used to be an intellectual, sadly no longer. For years now he has just been a bitter, moaning apologist for the capitalist system. Not exactly taxing for someone of his ability. It must be soul destroying trotting out trite non-sequiturs on behalf of corporate media.

It was his choice, no wonder he has retreated inside a bottle. He deserves our pity at least.
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StraightDope Donating Member (716 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 01:23 PM
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29. Fuck pity.
He made his "great moral choice" to be "on the right side of history" with der Chimperor. He was wrong then and now, and is too proud or thick-skulled to realize or admit it. I don't care if he drinks all day, every day, that's no excuse for willfully promoting hatred and endangering the United States by supporting a theocratic-pseudo-monarchy cheerfully otherwise known as the "unitary executive". Plenty of us, including yours truly, drink WAY too much, in my case several hours of each day, and yet don't spout off with this rabidly right-wing idiocy. If I ever start sounding like Hitchens, I assure you, the booze is most assuredly NOT to blame.
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 03:16 PM
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44. wasn't he rabidly anti-Clinton pre 2000?????
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TheBaldyMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 06:27 PM
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47. sry SD but I can't condemn burnt out drunks, I pity them all
He has an illness, that doesn't mean I agree with his loathsome politics.

I hope he can kick the sauce and get well. He can be a tee-total asshole if he wants. I still won't agree with him.

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StraightDope Donating Member (716 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 11:31 PM
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48. Fair enough...
But some of us drunkards can deal with this so-called "illness", and not only function in our role as such, but even excel. Hitchens, as far as I'm concerned, doesn't have a pass on his inflammatory rhetoric because he is/was a heavy drinker.

But hey, to each his own...
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 01:09 PM
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24. Man, I wish he'd run for something.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 01:13 PM
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26. You mean for something other than Happy Hour at Tapatini's?
:beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :puke: :beer: :beer:
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 01:30 PM
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32. If he self-destructs like that because of a disagreement at a party,
imagine what would happen at the press conference where
he announces. I'm afraid I would tune in to see. Let's
bring Mailer back to run against him.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 01:12 PM
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25. So he doesn't care about anybody who disagrees with him, but DOES care
Edited on Thu Oct-12-06 01:12 PM by UTUSN
that somebody in the future will think him GREAT? He actually believes the pathetic LITTLE scribblings of a MINOR person is going to be any kind of a milestone!!!!1 Wasn't he one of the ones ridiculing CLINTON for wishing 9-11 had happened on his watch?
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 01:26 PM
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30. The sad thing is, he wrote The Trials Of Henry Kissenger, which
was excellent. I have since thought he sold out for money but perhaps it's blackmail that has made him into pure scum???
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librarycard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 02:24 PM
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41. that was excellent
(a paraphrase): The only thing Henry Kissinger ever accomplished was getting everyone to call him "Doctor."
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 01:27 PM
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31. The Onion had Hitch pegged years ago:
Edited on Thu Oct-12-06 01:29 PM by wicket


Christopher Hitchens Forcibly Removed From Trailer Park After Drunken Confrontation With Common-Law Wife

Noted author, social critic, and political gadfly Christopher Hitchens was once again the focus of controversy Monday, when he was forcibly removed from Happy Trails trailer park following a drunken confrontation with Noreen Bodell, 39, his common-law wife of 14 years.

An inebriated Hitchens is forcibly removed from the Happy Trails trailer park.

Responding to a domestic-disturbance call, police arrived at the couple's double-wide trailer at approximately 2:15 p.m. to find Hitchens and Bodell throwing dishes at each other. When the officers attempted to remove Hitchens from the premises, the leftist intellectual became physically and verbally abusive toward the officers, calling them "shitkickers," "bitches," and "effete liberal apologists for the atrocities of late-stage capitalism."

Having consumed what sources described as "a substantial amount of single-malt scotch," Hitchens then burst into tears, yelling, "That woman never understood me for who I am. I want to talk to Lapham. Lapham's the only one who understands me."

Charged with disturbing the peace, Hitchens was taken to the Sparta police station at 3 p.m. and released four hours later.

Little is known about Bodell, a heavy-set blonde who has been known to use several different surnames. According to sources familiar with the couple, the incident marks the third time in as many weeks that police have been forced to intervene in their volatile relationship.

"We're down at the old Hitchens place probably twice a month at least," said Sgt. Wilson Vernon, the first of three officers to arrive at the scene. "Once his blood's up, old Hitch can get meaner than a three-legged coon hound. From what the neighbors told us about this latest incident, Noreen was all worked up, accusing him of drinking and womanizing. He was angry with her refusal to acknowledge that there is ample evidence to make a case for prosecuting Henry Kissinger as a war criminal. She just kept shouting, 'No, there ain't!'"


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 01:30 PM
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33. The contrast is that those bearded nuts
Edited on Thu Oct-12-06 01:32 PM by formercia
were willing to kill themselves, like many before them and many to follow.

A person that is immersed in self can no more comprehend that concept than why his strategy was a failure before it was even conceived.
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Marnieworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 01:30 PM
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34. He was a total asshole on Real Time w/Maher recently
This does not surprise me at all.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 01:46 PM
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36. HItchens has his uses. He hates Kissinger. Look what he wrote
http://www.slate.com/id/2151129/nav/tap1

This is a very interesting piece, esp. the stuff about Kissinger's response to the planned invasion of Iraq. Hitchens may not be able to tell who is doing good for mankind, but he can spot a war criminal.

I elaborate more on Kissinger's divided (or maybe singular) loyalties here http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Anyway, look for the Reich Wing to nail Hitchens to a cross if he keeps bad mouthing the War Criminal.
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 01:47 PM
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37. He is not a Sadist.
He has a personality disorder certainly, and I would say that it is either borderline personality disorder or narcissistic personality disorder or -- dare I say? -- both.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 02:29 PM
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43. He does seem to take pleasure in bullying people.
The less defended, the more he enjoys it.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 01:49 PM
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38. Who knew?
:sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:
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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 02:14 PM
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39. And what was it he said about Mother Teresa?
Mommie Dearest
The pope beatifies Mother Teresa, a fanatic, a fundamentalist, and a fraud.
By Christopher Hitchens


http://www.slate.com/id/2090083/
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 11:38 PM
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49. read the book. he DETAILS how she was beholden to that uber scum
Charles Keating, of all people.

she wrote a letter to the court which sentenced him, in order to get him a more lenient deal

lots of inconvenient facts about the mother who basked in the suffering of the poor.

read some of her quotes

that said, I LOATHE Hitchens
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librarycard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 02:22 PM
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40. BJs are as American as apple pie
Hitchens needs to indulge in a little "Americana." It will take the edge off.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 02:25 PM
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42. Read Galloway on Hitchens
he called him a drunken popinjay. That was perfect.


Check this out

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/09/16/122...
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 11:41 PM
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50. He's a horrible, horrible person
That's pretty much all there is to it.
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 11:42 PM
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51. That he has not yet drunk himself to an early grave is the real tragedy.
What a waste of oxygen.
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 11:50 PM
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52. On Bill Maher he uses his superior knowledge of historical facts to
bamboozle Maher.
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bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 12:08 AM
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53. Wow, to think I was a fan of this guy back in the mid-80s, when
I was but a simple college student with a subscription to The Nation magazine. I can't beleieve how far he's managed to fall...
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delete_bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 02:35 AM
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55. Just when I thought my level of revulsion was maxed out,
I am now for the first time made aware of the fact that the besotted Hitchens...has...a...WIFE!

How could anyone outside of maybe Annie Coulter stand to be with this thing?
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 04:50 PM
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56. kick
:kick:
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