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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 02:44 AM
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San Diego DA-Grand Jury to Look at Bilbray ? Won bogus electoin in CA
Edited on Thu Oct-12-06 02:49 AM by autorank
Getting something delivered to Brian Bilbray was difficult. It seems he wasn't easily found in his district. Oh well, just a private guy. Bilbray beat Francine Busby, Democrat, in a controversial special election to replace Duke Cunningham after he resigned in disgrace. Now it seems that a San Diego Grand Jury is investigating him for running in district where he did not officially reside. The SD Democrats announced that a grand jury was looking into the issue of multiple residences and Bilbray's honesty in this regard. GOOD WORK. This is yet to be confirmed but for the SD Dems to go out with this is signficant.

Friedman (The BradBlog and Lehto (Land Shark) were right to go to court over this race. The case is on appeal right now. But look at this.


First from DKOS user UTBriancl:

CA-50:Another Crook: Bilbray being investigated by Grand Jury
by UTBriancl

http://tinyurl.com/nn539
Wed Oct 11, 2006 at 07:58:11 PM PDT

cross-posted from Calitics: the progressive community blog for California.
Brian Bilbray has been very quiet recently. Yeah, he's heavily favored in CA-50 in the rematch with Francine Busby, but still you'd think he'd show up somewhere, anywhere in his district. But, according to Words Have Power, he's been hiding out. He's not been updating his web site, and he failed to show up at an AARP-sponsored debate. Strange.
Or maybe not so strange. According to the San Diego County Democratic Party, Bilbray is being investigated a grand jury impaneled by the District Attorney. Follow me over the flip.

Now Look what the San Diego County Democratic party is sending out. Brian, we've hadly known ye!
Dems Will Win ran a wonderful thread on Bilbray & Abramoff, which I'll post as a reply to this message.

Good news. Our party is doing something out there.


Dear Democrat

Months after our inquiry into apparently illegal claims of residency by Rep. Brian Bilbray, the San Diego County Democratic Party has continued to call for answers and accountability from the Congressman who took office in June.

We've recently heard reports that the San Diego District Attorney's Office has impaneled a Grand Jury to investigate our complaint.


The Democratic Party had asked whether Bilbray's sworn claims of multiple primary residences amounted to perjury or voter fraud. If our concerns are substantiated, it would appear that Bilbray broke the law in the very district whose past representative is now in federal prison for betraying the public's trust.

With Bilbray up for re-election on November 7, we believe voters should know the truth about his maneuvering to replace the criminally corrupt "Duke" Cunningham in the 50th Congressional District. Therefore, we call on our supporters to take action:

(1) Contact the DA's Office at (619) 531-4051 and demand that more information be made public about this investigation, which is officially described only as "ongoing."

(2) Contact Brian Bilbray's district office at (760) 737-8438 or his campaign at (858) 457-5500 and demand that he legally support his various claims of residency or resign his seat.

Our original letter to the San Diego District Attorney (5/17/06) refers to Bilbray's signed voter registration -- days after the Cunningham story broke -- declaring a Carlsbad address to be his "residence and domicile" under penalty of perjury (6/21/05).

Less than two months after re-registering, he signed a new deed of trust for his home in Alexandria, Virginia (8/25/05). He did not indicate that the home was anything other than his "principal residence," which the deed would have explicitly forbidden.

In December of 2005, Bilbray's children testified under oath that they lived in Virginia with their father. The context was a lawsuit in which Bilbray claimed his children were out-of-state residents who deserved to pay the same tuition as undocumented immigrants who lived in-state. A few months later, he signed a formal declaration of candidacy to run for Congress (2/23/06), citing his mother's house on Unicornio Street in Carlsbad as his residence.

Throughout this entire period, he was receiving a homeowner's tax exemption on his property in South County's Imperial Beach, where neighbors had spotted him in the community ever since he began to run for the North County seat.

Now the candidate is an incumbent, but in the wake of recent congressional scandals our demand is more timely than ever. This sequence of events raises pointed legal questions, not to mention questions about whose interests Bilbray truly represents.

The convening of a Grand Jury in this case would indicate a level of significance that calls for full disclosure -- before, not after, the election. Voters will again choose their Member of Congress in less than four weeks. Residents of the 50th District deserve honest and ethical representation, and Brian Bilbray's record falls far short.

To join our effort to restore integrity in public office, please contact us at (858) 277-3367 or info@sddemocrats.org .



Jess Durfee

Chair, San Diego County Democratic Party




Original Dems Will Win thread: Found Here
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 05:42 AM
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1. Those of us who supported Busby Bilbray legal action were questioned?.
Edited on Thu Oct-12-06 05:44 AM by autorank
Why? This is why! The whole thing stunk.

Here's a link to all the major documents from this case.

http://electionfraudnews.com/SpecialContentPages/Electi...

...and the key articles.

http://electionfraudnews.com/edit.htm
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 12:59 PM
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30. self delete
Edited on Thu Oct-12-06 01:00 PM by rinsd
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 02:55 PM
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33. "And now for something completely different" -- NOT!!!
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 06:06 AM
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2. Hot damn! Big huge K&R This is wild! ..... I wish they were getting
him on vote fraud, but residency will do just fine! They finally got Al Capone on tax evasion. Should have gotten him for murder, but they got him on something and that did the trick!
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 06:28 AM
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3. kick -- i would love to see the dirty details of this election exposed.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 06:57 AM
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4. Will this affect the outcome of the appeal?
The plot thickens.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 12:33 PM
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22. Land Shark would have to answer that.
I will post him and see.

It would have to even if it is not in the appeal since the judges read the papers. I bet that people
out there are pissed that the local judge gave over so much power to the feds. I grew up in CA and you sort of had the impression that CA barely tolerates the rest of the nation... ;) I moved and am in more contact with the other part.

If correct, it would set up a nice case - Brian was not a legitimate resident BUT Denny swore him in, which Judge Hoffman said was the "ruling legal authority."

Good question. :hi:
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 08:43 PM
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46. won't directly affect the appeal, which must necessarily be limited to
the issues the judge decided below (primarily whether the court had power to hear the case).
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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 06:58 AM
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5. more fun
Thanks autorank - can we take down Duncan Hunter too?

Bilbray is yet another San Diego "Kiss Ass" Politician - No mind of his own - PERFECT puppet...
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 07:46 AM
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6. needs a
:kick:
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MsLeopard Donating Member (717 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 07:52 AM
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7. I just moved to the 50th district
I'll make the calls today!
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emlev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 10:24 AM
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11. Yeah, yeah--but where *else* do you live? ;-)
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JimDandy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 12:21 PM
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21. All these Ann Coulter wannabes...
Edited on Thu Oct-12-06 12:21 PM by JimDandy
Whatever happened to her voter fraud case, anyway?
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Melissa G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 09:49 AM
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8. K&R'd! n/t
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 10:09 AM
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9. kickety kick kick!
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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 10:15 AM
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10. Kick -- Go get 'em Brad and Land Shark!
We're rootin' for ya'! :kick:
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fladonkey Donating Member (100 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 10:27 AM
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13. Is there....
something wrong with the water in San Diego? First that idiot Cunningham takes bribes and now this jerk!!!!
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 12:35 PM
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23. San Diego is a great place but has this entrenched right wing ruling
class, or they act like they are. Lots of great people and stuff down there but the right wing ethos
is built in. It will change, just like LA changed. LA is one of the coolest plasces in the country right now, a real testimony for a pluralistic, vibrant societ. San Diego, get going ;)
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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 03:53 PM
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39. My bro lives there.
He said there was a show on TV recently that gave the history of San Diego politics, and it has an unbelievably corrupt past. When I told him about the Busby/Bilbray mess, he was not surprised about it at all.
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emlev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 10:26 AM
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12. This is huge. We must get word out about this because
otherwise it'll probably be stalled until after the election.
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fladonkey Donating Member (100 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 10:29 AM
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14. We had a similar situation....
here in Central Florida with a state legislator...he said he lived in Orlando but his residence was in another part of the state (he was asked to run). The local party hired a private detective to follow the guy.
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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 10:39 AM
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15. What was the outcome?
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fladonkey Donating Member (100 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 02:55 PM
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34. We then....
took info to the media. He did not explain the situation very well. Decided to not run the next time.
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In Truth We Trust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 10:58 AM
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16. K&R Poetic justice perhaps. Great work guy's. Thank you!
Hand Counted Paper Ballots NOW!
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 12:37 PM
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24. Really, would this not be a giant hoot! Uh, forgot I did not live there
...but Denny swore me in and Judge Hoffman said that is all it takes I need
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 11:11 AM
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17. Well, we have another problem--Hastert swearing him in before all the
votes were counted. I share Landshark's and Autorank's alarm at this tactic. I've been worried lately by Bush's and Cheney's confident statements that they will retain a Bushite "pod people" majority in Congress. Are they delusional? Or is the plan to perpetrate outrageous vote flips (--such as the 60/40 flip they experimented with, recently, in '05, on the Ohio election reform initiatives), then to have Hastert repeat his Bilbray quick swearing-in tactic on sufficient numbers of "pod people" (s)elections to keep control. This may be why they're keeping Hastert in place, despite much reason to dump him. Will the Democrats fight it? They didn't in CA-50! But say they do. Say the thing is so outrageous that even our benighted Democratic leaders get steamed. Enter Gulf of Tonkin II: Bushite special ops in Iran launch a missile at the Eisenhower in the Persian Gulf. End of government crisis over this yet worse fascist tactic for stealing elections. America under attack! Calls for us all to "pull together." Election challenges around the country marginalized. The Democratic leadership settles comfortably into their minority status in a time of war. And the rest of us are forced to fight a fragmented election reform battle in local/state jurisdictions, that will go on for years. We may win it, in the end. I think we will, actually. Fascism doesn't suit Americans at all, and it's a BIG country, with many diverse folks. Not an easy country to Nazify. But I think we need to be prepared for what may be a huge setback for American democracy in November. Just sayin. It doesn't feel good. Bush/Cheney have me spooked. (They acted this way in '04, too--oblivious, deaf, unaccountable, and confident of victory. My perceptive mate pointed it out. And I said, "Naw, people are way tired of this lying bunch of thieves, and are going to oust them." I didn't know that much about Diebold/ES&S at the time, and thought we still had the power to vote them out. So I thought it was just hubris on Bush/Cheney's part. Boy, was I wrong!)
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 12:38 PM
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26. So right Peace - you have a Perry Mason moment.
The Dems should have challenged this and they didn't, well they were a dollar short and a day late, so to speak.

You are right for $800, buy a vowel from Vanna and here's a free lunch!!!
:hi:
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 01:01 PM
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31. I'm going to take you up on that free lunch, Autorank. How about on
Nov. 8, before they haul us both off to Guantananmo Bay for a little re-education?

My other downer scenario (the one I think most likely): The Democrats are permitted to win, but the races are weighted toward Bushite Democrats (like those who voted for torture and suspension of habeas corpus), who, combined with outright Bushites, will still hold a majority in Congress for war with Iran, a military Draft, and suspension of habeas corpus for uppity antiwar activists, Draft dodgers, election reformers and old grannies in wheelchairs about to have their Social Security "privatized."

That way, they keep their full-on election theft capability for future uses. To those of us still objecting to Bushites "counting" all the votes with TRADE SECRET, PROPRIETARY programming code, they'll say, "What's your beef? The Democrats WON!" (And the Democrats will say it, too. "What's your problem with Bushites 'counting' all the votes under a veil of corporate secrecy? 'WE' won!"

Hm-m? Gotcha, didn't I? That's it. That's what they're gonna do. They might have to pull off only a few tactical swearings-in, in that case. Bush and Cheney eat a little false crow and act chastised for a couple of seconds. (So much for gay bashing.) And the war goes on.

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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 02:20 PM
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32. LIEberman's revenge. Could be but...
Edited on Thu Oct-12-06 02:55 PM by autorank
...I think things are too far out of control with the HAVA Frankenstein and the secret weapon, centralized voter registration databases (50 Katherine Harris bots ;)

You may well be right. They have just one problem. They'll have to minimize and dismiss the activists and people with brains (we're a small % but the total here is Abo 60%! given opposition to Bush minus any CM (corporate media) coverage on real issues).

As for lunch, we probably won't get that chance but I'm game.

If it's a beach resort in the Caribbean, here's the plan. I'll torture you with articles I write with strategic typographical errors and you can torture me with corrections. We'll tell them, go away, we've got it handled

:rofl:
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 03:12 PM
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37. They are acting a little too confident that they can overcome significant
leads. The Dems say they have a plan, but they said that last couple times but instead rolled over like a submissive dog. I do believe that the ER community has been successful (unfortunately no thanks to the Dems) in getting the word out and making people question the previous outcomes. As Greg Palast says we are going into the Nov election down 1 million votes due to shenagins (I think this estimate is conservative).

What scares me is they are even planning for the future at a time when they should be pre-occupied with the present. Check this out:

(Remember the SOS position is perhaps the most powerful in the state):

http://ohio2006elections.blogspot.com /

Secty of State: Hartmann (R) a Bush-Cheney "Sleeper"?

The following was posted by Ambercat as a comment to yesterday's roundup of statewide races, but it deserves full attention. It appears that the relatively recent and rapid rise of Greg Hartmann (R-Cincinnati) in Ohio Republican political circles is not an accident but the result of his close ties to the Bush/Cheney camp, and the implications of that for the possible supervision of future Ohio elections by such a man are frightening indeed:
The developing facts on Greg Hartmann are interesting and potentially alarming. His father, Robin P. Hartmann of the Dallas-based Haynes-Boone law firm, did indeed represent Dick Cheney in 2000 in his lawsuit attempting to establish that his residence is Wyoming and not Texas, since it's required that president and vice president not be from the same state. In addition, I've learned that Robin P. Hartmann was being touted to the media as a source to call as a reference for Harriet Miers after Bush appointed her to the Supreme Court. In other words, one can safely say that Hartmann Sr. is an ultra-insider in the Cheney-Bush administration.

Now consider Greg Hartmann, who graduated from Pepperdine law school in 1997 and worked for less than a year at a Dallas law firm, ending in March, 1998. In January, 1999 he suddenly crops up in the Hamilton County prosector's office, where he worked without particularly distinguishing himself (or worse, facts developing) until appointed County Clerk of Counts in early 2003. We all know how he didn't distinguish himself there, as his sloppy work that allowed identity theft to occur has already been well-documented.

Despite being an outsider in a heavily Republican area, with a many longtime party regulars, he became executive director of the Hamilton County Republican Party in 2002, 3-4 years after arriving in town, and was Hamilton County co-chair of the 2004 Cheney-Bush reelection campaign, an honor I'm sure many other of those longtime devoted Republicans would have liked. Obviously, strings were being pulled. Hartmann brougt power with him that didn't belong to him. Nothing in his record suggests he is outstanding in any way.

There's more to come. This suggests all kinds of potentially disastrous scenarios for Ohio, especially for future Ohio elections. This race is an absolute must-win for Brunner for the sake of the citizens of the state.

posted by Yellow Dog Sammy @ 11:32 AM
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 11:36 AM
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18. K&R
:kick:
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 12:04 PM
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19. Reaching new heights in sheer bogosity.
I know "bogosity" isn't a real word, but these stories stretch the power of the existing lexicon.

K&R.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 02:56 PM
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35. A "higher bigotry"
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 05:08 PM
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40. "No match, no vote", eh?
But it's okay for the pResident to sign a bill different from what Congress actually passed, and it's okay for Hastert to peremptorily swear in a congressman before the election is certified?

Something doesn't seem right here...
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JimDandy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 12:19 PM
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20. Great post, Autorank! Can someone follow up
on these questions?

I just spoke to "Amy" at the (760) 737-8438 number. She assured me that Bilbray lives in CA-50. I felt better already! But just to cover all the bases, I pressed on, telling her that it shouldn't be a problem, then, for Bilbray to answer my questions. She started writing them down:

1. Does Bilray's deed to his Virginia home, or any other government document, describe that residence as his primary residence, or imply that it is?

2. Is there a mortgage on his Virginia home and, if so, did Bilbray sign any title insurance document or loan document stating that it was his primary residence?

3. Is he paying reduced taxes on his Virginia home that are connected to any declaration that the home is his primary residence?

4. At the time Bilbray filled out his voter registration card, was his mother residing at the CA-50 residence that he claimed as his?

5. Has Bilbray been notified of, or is he aware of, any Grand Jury investigation into allegations that his primary residence is not in the 50th District?

Amy took my name and address, but, upon hearing I was not a resident of his district (I live in Utah), she directed me to Bilbray's public relations manager, Kurt Bardella, (202) 225-5452.

Does someone who lives in CA-50 have time to ask Amy these questions, or to call Bardella--I've got to get back to work! I'd be floored if they answered, but at least they'll know the public is watching.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 12:41 PM
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28. Great qeustions, somebody contact Jim Dandy. n/t
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 12:38 PM
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25. Thanks, autorank!
Brian Bilbray is not only a charter member of the Abramoff Gang, he is a co-founder!
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 12:40 PM
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27. GeeZeus!!!! Thank you. Your post on that matter is a great help.
More later, working to pay "the man."
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 12:44 PM
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29. Shameless promotion - read my article;) please,I'll send cybercandy;)

Scoop News http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0610/S00155.htm

Teardown: The Mainstream Media Turns on Bush

Wednesday, 11 October 2006, 3:19 pm
Opinion: Michael Collins

Uh,it explains everything and also helps you with Lotto ;)

Thanks again to althecat (publisher of Scoop) for all his great support for the US Democracy
movement.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 03:09 PM
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36. Yup, you win the prize, Autorank! You are more of a conspiracy theorist
than I am. And that's saying a lot. I just thought it was that a sex scandal--and one with major hypocrites at the middle of it--was too irresistible for our "news and entertainment" monopolies. It also jibes with rightwing strategies simply to DEGRADE government, to disable it, bring it into disrepute (and thus defeat regulation and the will of the people to assert their sovereignty). I have felt for a while now that what we're looking is not a Nazi agenda, but rather a CORPORATE agenda, into which Bushite fascism fits nicely, as a taste of what we get if we continue to resist global corporate predation. And they've got some nice global corporate predator politicians waiting in the wings for this snapback to "nice" Corporatism (H. Clinton, Christopher Dodd--who recently said he may run for president--maybe even Al Gore,* who has never disavowed NAFTA, the WTO and the World Bank, and who never said he was sorry for breaking Clinton/Gore campaign promises to include labor and environmental protections in NAFTA).

But your scenario, my friend, takes the cake. The Corporatists are attacking the Bushites, and taking away their "gay bashing" talking point--because Bush is bad for business! (Idiots! They should have thought of that before the Chinese got hold our debt paper!) (They're going to take it out of OUR hides, though. You're right about that. "...to preserve the wealth and investment of the United States of America"--meaning THEIR "wealth and investment.")

How does the war on Iran fit into either of these scenarios? Hard to figure "nice" Corporatism slaughtering a half a million innocents in Iran, as the Bushites did in Iraq, with thousands more U.S. cannon fodder casualties, and a Draft to really enrage people. What would the Corporatists be up to, by ousting Cheney & Co.? A deal with China over Iran's oil? A big push on alternative energy that they can profit off of? (Hm-m-m...)

The Bush cabal has not made it easy for global corporate predators to operate in Iraq or the Middle East. Halliburton and other war profiteers, yeah. But not Gap and WalMart et al. And the Bushites have gone and "lost" South America. The South Americans are rising up and doing things like throwing Bechtel Corp. out of Bolivia (--for privatizing the water, then jacking up the prices to the poorest of the poor, including charging poor peasants for collecting rainwater! The people revolted, threw Bechtel out, and elected socialist Evo Morales, the first indigenous president of Bolivia). In Venezuela, they're extracting fair taxes from the oil giants and using the money to help the poor (God forbid)! In Argentina, a coalition of the poor and middle class went around with little hammers and broke every bank ATM display window in the country, to protest onerous World Bank/IMF policy. Brazil led the third world revolt at the WTO meeting in Cancun a couple of years ago--a big blow to global (U.S. dominated) "free trade." Bolivia, Venezuela, Argentina, Brazil, Chile, Uruguay, Paraguay, and soon Ecuador (and next Peru)--all with leftist, anti-corporatist, anti-yanqui imperialist governments. What's a Corporatist to do?

Now North Korea. Bechtel, GE and others were making billions off the Clinton peace deal with No. Korea (providing nuke power plants). All smashed up by Cheney, Rice & Co.--who knows whether by design or just idiocy. Cheney may have more stocks in nuke weapons, licit and illicit, than he does in peaceful energy--that could be it. Or they just like reigns of terror. The South Koreans now also have a peace-minded leftist government and the people want the U.S. military out of their country. They think North Korea's rickety government will fall of its own, and they can engineer a peaceful reunion. That may be why the Bushites pushed North Korea to blow off a nuke--to scare and re-militarize the region.

In any case, these developments will ultimately mean that U.S.-based global corporate predators will become (are becoming) persona non grata in many countries. These countries want SELF-DETERMINATION. They don't want sweatshops, and resource extraction, and U.S. ag products (and GMOs) dumped on their markets. They want to make their own indigenous products and become EXPORTERS. And the Bushites are doing everything possible to alienate these DEMOCRACIES, and to make life difficult for MacDonald's, Monsanto and brethren. (I was going to say Coca-Cola, but that dates me!) So, maybe the Corporatists have had it with this, and want to put the Corporate Democrats back in, to reopen negotiations with the alienated free world, and get global free piracy back on track.

The Corporatists also want to loot Social Security (--tie it to the stock market) and anything else lying around that hasn't been looted yet--and Bush doesn't have any political cache left to get those things done. (The revolt against the Bushites' Social Security plan was very telling, in that respect.) But Bushite Democrats, in alliance with Bushites, might get it done. (I'll bet we'll find that Democrats who voted for torture and suspension of habeas corpus ALSO aver that there is a "problem" with Social Security that needs "fixing.")

So...a war within the Corporate/Bushite world--with the Corporates jumping on Bushite child molesters, to split the Christianists and defeat the Bushites in the Congressional (s)elections? (Autorank) Or, a plot to shove child molestation down our throats, along with treason, torture, genocide, suspension of habeas corpus, a military Draft and a war on Iran, via bold vote-stealing by Diebold and ES&S in November? (Peace Patriot)

I wonder which side Diebold and ES&S would come down on? They have to worry about maintaining their rigged system for future purposes, among other things. It's also quite profitable (billions in corporate welfare--for crapass, insecure, extremely hackable voting systems).

I'm pulling towards your scenario, Autorank. Corporate intervention for Corporate purposes, which no longer coincide with Bush Junta purposes. It's not particularly in the interest of Gap, MacDonald's, Monsanto & brethren to have the Bush Oil Cartel gas gouging. They are all conveying raw materials and finished products here and there over the oceans in tankers. And since the Bushites failed to secure Iraq's oil fields, and are probably too ideological and incompetent to pull off an invasion/occupation of Iran (a truly risky enterprise, very unlike Iraq, which was prostrate at the time of the invasion), the Corporates see major trouble ahead, profit-wise, with this Junta. Things are going to be difficult enough when the economic shit hits the fan here at home. They are going to NEED China. Ergo, they DON'T WANT a Bushite war on Iran (major Chinese oil supplier). And if China decides to, it can send the U.S. dollar into a tailspin at any time. Can't piss off China. Ergo, they have got to curtail this Junta, which is bent upon invading Iran.

If this is what's going on--the return of the Corporate Democrats--it is, indeed, likely to retard the election reform movement. It won't have the urgency. And, anyway, many of the Dems are in on it, so the best we're likely to get from them is a universal "paper trail" (fairly useless with the central electronic tabulators still run on TRADE SECRET, PROPRIETARY code.)

Lots to think about, in the global scenarios/ grand conspiracy theory realm.

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*(Nevertheless, I still support the Restoration Ticket, Gore/Kerry '08. I think restoration of the proper order of things is vital to re-empowering the American people. I believe that the American people elected these two men to the White House. So my view of their policies is not so important as the will of the people being done--and, in this case, restored. We can fight the NAFTA issue out later, once we have a LEGITIMATE government, and restored senses of legality and propriety in government. And I DO think that both Gore and Kerry--besides having won their elections, and having a legitimate right to rule--will restore some fairness to the American political process. But the issue of heartening people is what's most on my mind. Just think of the celebration in this country at a Gore/Kerry inauguration in Jan. '09! It will EMPOWER the people in numerous ways, re-invigorate our democracy, and unleash positive and creative energies for many tough problems ahead, including political, election and environmental reform!)
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 03:29 PM
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38. voting irregularities -- sense when does that stop Neanderthal Pubbies
from voting the RW party line.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 05:54 PM
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41. kick
:hi:
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 06:01 PM
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42. What's happening with this race right now? The current one, that is..
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 10:46 PM
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49. A ton of stuff... Busby is working hard. More in a bit when it's nailed
down. :hi:
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emlev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 06:14 PM
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43. Give the guy a break--he's just trying to help his GOP buddies prove
there really is *voter* fraud in this country. If he registered to *vote* in San Diego and wasn't really a resident, that would make--what--ONE case of voter fraud in CA?
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 06:17 PM
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44. Now is the time for the MSM to bring up the pre-certification
swearing in of Bilbray by Hastert.


thanks for this news, autorank!

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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 10:48 PM
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50. I'll even write the copy for them.
Bilbray, who thought he was headed for a smooth two years, was shocked to find a subpoena on his door. It seems a San Diego Grand Jury has some questions about where he lives. If Bilbray fails to prove residence in California's 50th Congressional District during the required times, he and his mentor Speaker Dennis Hastert, may have some explaining to do.
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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 07:45 PM
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45. Looks like Bilbray done got bit by the infamous "Scrutinous Microscropia"

Man! This race has more twists and turns then Hwy 101 north of San Francisco.


:thumbsup: As always.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 10:49 PM
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51. Nice term. Sounds like it hurts to be eamind with that instrument.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 08:54 PM
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47. Could Tammy Duckworth be in the same boat?
Isn't she living in a house designed for her war disabilities that is out of her district? Or did I imagine this?
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 02:22 AM
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55. No, it's perjury (in furtherance of fraud) not residency at issue
Residency "in the district" is mainly a political charge. The constitution requires only state residency and state laws that require more are thus suspect even if not yet overruled (as CA's has been).

Duckworth makes no secret of her residence. If someone finds it objectionable, they're free to vote or campaign against her.

Bilbray seems to claim multiple "primary" residences. For legal purposes, like taxes and such, you only get to claim one of these at a time.

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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 10:09 PM
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48. Recommended.
Good evening ....


Peace.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 10:49 PM
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52. The same to you sir.
:hi:
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nicknameless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 11:28 PM
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53. Ah, just the kind of criminal element the rethugs prefer.
Thanks for posting this, Auto.
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emlev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 02:05 AM
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54. In the North County Times (San Diego)
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 02:25 PM
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56. kick
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