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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 01:29 AM
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All You Got To Do Is Listen To What Osama Bin Laden Says
"What I say to the American people when I am out there is, all you got to do is listen to what Osama bin Laden says." -- Bush, 10/11/06


"Don't believe me," Bush told Americans in his Rose Garden news conference. "Listen to the enemy, or listen to Mr. Zawahiri, the number two of al Qaeda, both of whom made it clear that Iraq is central in their plans."

"I take the words of the enemy very seriously," Bush said, "and so should the American people."

Bush is mezmerized with the words of the terrorists. That's why Bush is keeping our soldiers bogged down in Iraq. He's listening to bin-Laden instead of the American people, who are telling him that they don't believe or agree with his reasons for being in Iraq; whether he's using his 'terror war' as an excuse, or any other of his lies. Rasmussen's latest polling shows that just 31% of Americans say Bush is winning his 'war on terror'. Only 36% think America is 'safer' as a result of Bush's militarism.

Bush shifted his language today, referring to the Iraq occupation as only 'part of this 'war on terror'. He's lining up a new defense, claiming that it's the terrorists who've been pushing the idea that Iraq was the 'center'. Bin-Laden did say that, but only after Bush invaded. It's not like no one noticed that the president flying around the country, raising money for his republican enablers, using the line as his own. He's been listening to bin-Laden and he wants us to join him in his fear and obsession with the words of the thugs who orchestrated 9-11.

"You know, there's a debate in Washington, D.C. about how to wage this war, Bush said at a republican fundraiser Oct.3. "They say that Iraq is a distraction in the war on terror. I strongly disagree," Bush declared. "I think Iraq is a central front in the war on terror, and we must defeat the enemy in Iraq if we want America to be secure."

How long are the American people going to tolerate Bush sacrificing our soldiers in Iraq to deny bin-Laden an imagined plot of land he has no purchase or influence on without the freedom Bush has allowed him for the five years since he promised to apprehend him "dead or alive?" It was Bush who first made Iraq the 'center' of his contrived 'war on terror'. Bush's deliberate diversion of our forces from Afghanistan allowed the flames of fear he had fanned from the 9-11 attacks to catch spark in Iraq, as he stood far behind our soldiers and called for 'terrorists' to attack them there.

Bin-Laden would love to keep our forces bogged down in Iraq instead of "on the hunt" for the terrorist and his accomplices as Bush promised. The Bush strategy of placing 140,000 troops in Iraq and 20,000 in Afghanistan is not lost on the thugs as they take refuge in the unattended mountains along the Pakistan/Afghan border. How could they have engineered a better diversion than Bush provided by listening to and following bin-Laden's whispered scheme?

Now we know why Bush is so intent on staying in Iraq. He's been listening to bin-Laden like he's Son of Sam's dog. Bush is listening to bin-Laden, and he wants Americans to listen to the terrorists, too. He seems as satisfied with the level of sacrifices our troops are suffering as bin-Laden must be. More killings of our soldiers in Iraq represents progress to Bush. He declared to reporters, and to the American people, that "we're on the move" in Iraq. Bush seems more intent than ever on leaving our soldiers to continue the losing defense of the crumbled Maliki regime, just to portray his illusion of a "kinetic" battle he's waging against "enemies" that he's drawn there.

He wants us to be afraid. That's his platform for his republican's congressional campaign. Fear. "If we were to leave early before the job is done in Iraq, the "enemy will follow us," Bush says. If you vote his republican enablers out of office, the 'enemies' will supposedly overtake us. We know this, Bush says, because he's been listening to what bin-Laden says . . . instead of listening to the American people.


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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 01:39 AM
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1. from what i have understood from some of bin boys "speeches"
i would surmise that george would not want anyone to really read them to close...
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 06:57 AM
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5. Condi doesn't let him read them
"Rice directed the senior staff that she wants no more reporting from U.S. embassies. She announced in the meeting, according to one participant, that people write memos only for each other and that no one else reads them. She said she didn't and wouldn't read them. Instead of writing reports, the diplomats should "sell America," she insisted. "We are salesmen for America!""

http://www.salon.com/opinion/blumenthal/2006/09/07/cond...
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oblivious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 02:53 AM
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2. Osama: "I don't have any links to the US (911) attacks."
Osama denies involvement
Saudi dissident Osama bin Laden has denied involvement in the United States terror attacks, but justified the killing of thousands in Washington and New York as "oppressors' reaction against suppresser".

A statement carried by the Pakistani Urdu newspaper Ausaf quoted bin Laden, who lives in Afghanistan, as saying, "I don't have any link to the US attacks, but I second it as it is the oppressors' reaction against suppresser."

http://www.rediff.com/us/2001/sep/12ny15.htm

Denial Bin Laden
Bin Laden denied involvement with the 9/11 attacks five days later on the Al-Jazeera satellite channel:

"I stress that I have not carried out this act, which appears to have been carried out by individuals with their own motivation ... "

This denial was broadcasted worldwide, but the Bush administration urged media in the U.S. not to show the video since it might contain secret signals to Al Qaeda terrorists.

On September 28, 2001 in the Pakistani newspaper Daily Ummat <5>, bin Laden again denied any involvement with the attacks, and suggested he was being framed:

"I have already said that I am not involved in the 11 September attacks in the United States. As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a lie. I had no knowledge of these attacks, nor do I consider the killing of innocent women, children and other humans as a appreciable act. Islam strictly forbids causing harm to innocent women, children and other people ..."

"There exists a government within the government of the United States. That secret government must be asked as to who carried out these attacks. The United States should trace the perpetrators of these attacks to those persons who want to make the present century a century of conflict between Islam and Christianity so that their own nation could surivive."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osama_tapes
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 02:55 AM
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3. I take that very seriously (nt)
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LunaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 03:03 AM
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4. The crux of bin Laden's position:
1) Stop meddling in our affairs
2) Get off our land.

And King George antagonizes by doing the exact opposite. Who's aiding and abetting the "terra-ists"?

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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 08:01 AM
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6. Bin-Laden throws his followers away like Bush does our soldiers
they both enable each other's protection rackets, keeping the fear and violence stoked just enough to continue their 'protective' reigns.
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Cosmocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 08:42 AM
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9. Exactly ...
And, what is the answer to this problem ...

ENERGY INDEPENDENCE AND THE DEVELOPMENT OF ALTERNATIVE FUELING ...

But, SOMEHOW, this country decided vote the petulent child of an oil family into office, and accepts a VP who said we are on oil, and deal with, and that our country is run by an oil oligarcy at this point, and that anyone who notes that in order to TRULY deal with Islamic extremists we have to get the F out of their world, you are a freakin "appeaser" ...

NAW ... Lets play whack the mole ...

Create "terrorists" who otherwise would never have even thought of engaging in attacks against us in Iraq, kill them, thereby spawning MORE terrorists who never would have been terrorists, then spout on about a "War on Terror" ...

Makes it VERY hard to be an American at this point ...
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 10:21 AM
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11. the control he seeks/sought is an illusion
Edited on Thu Oct-12-06 10:56 AM by bigtree
I think the invasion and occupation was/is about the cash that is flowing from the treasury to support the occupations, and to feather the military industry coffers via the executives that infect the government and the Pentagon. There's a fixed military industry economy that is being escalated every cycle through regular and hidden appropriations, taking advantage of the fearmongering.

I think the oil in Iraq certainly pays off for many of those legislators who vote to prolong the occupation, there are certainly people getting rich off of the blood and sacrifice of our soldiers by trading in Iraqi oil. But I think there's a deeper motive which has to do with controlling who has access to that oil and preventing other elements from getting control, defending the ground and establishing a base, not just for the trumped-up security interests that Bush claims, but as patronage for some Saudi interest which benefits from that control. It's no accident that Iraqi oil, third largest reserve in the world, I believe, hasn't made any substantial impact on the market. I think that's the major overriding motive for Bush and his cabal, which can be attributed to oil, to push so hard for control over Iraq. Oil price control.

It's not what Bush and Rummy dreamed of, is it? They wanted an efficient coup, followed by a standard-issue junta. They got it, but they also got a standard-issue resistance; tailor-made to funnel anti-American aggression to the source of our nation's percieved power; deliberately fashioned to funnel that aggression to our soldiers as Bush and his republican enablers mindlessly chided a world of would-be antagonists to come engage the defenders of our democracy in their idiotic "ideological struggle" in Iraq.

Iraq is a shitcan now that we've dumped everything we have on her. There's nothing left except for Bush's parents to come in and try to settle things down. I wonder if Baker, who's no political slouch, intends to upset the republican prospects in the midterm to force George's hand. There's that belief out there that we would squander control and fumble it back to the republicans in 2008. Maybe Baker and his corporate cabal are putting the collar on the chimp.

Or maybe they're stalking horses for republican candidates who are exposed and made vulnerable by Bush's unpopular 'stay the course' stance . . .
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Stardust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 08:20 AM
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7. Where would the Project for the New American Century be w/o OBL?
He was a godsend to them.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 11:24 AM
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12. He probably read their documents right along with the rest of us
seamless co-dependence
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 08:25 AM
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8. Is the war against OBL or Iraq?
which is it, because last I checked, OBL was not in Iraq.

You know, there's a debate in Washington, D.C. about how to wage this war, Bush said at a republican fundraiser Oct.3. "They say that Iraq is a distraction in the war on terror. I strongly disagree," Bush declared. "I think Iraq is a central front in the war on terror, and we must defeat the enemy in Iraq if we want America to be secure."

Once again, the brainless chimp is leading us on a futile journey chasing windmills.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 12:02 PM
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13. windmills he believes to be giants
and sheep he believes are armies
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 09:10 AM
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10. Bush & His Dangerous Delusions
Edited on Thu Oct-12-06 09:12 AM by bigtree
By Robert Parry
October 12, 2006

{snip}

In George W. Bushs world, Saddam Hussein defied United Nations demands that he get rid of his weapons of mass destruction and barred U.N. inspectors; al-Qaedas public statements must be believed even when contradicted by its private comments; and U.S. withdrawal from Iraq is unthinkable because it would let al-Qaeda extend the caliphate, a mythical state that doesnt really exist.

When Bush is not taking gullible people on a tour of his imaginary history, he is testing how well sophistry works as logic, such as his oft-repeated claim that Americans must believe what Osama bin Laden says.

What I say to the American people when Im out there is all you got to do is listen to what Osama bin Laden says regarding al-Qaedas goals and the importance of Iraq, Bush said at the Oct. 11 news conference.

Yet, while Bush argues that bin Ladens public ravings should seal the deal and thus lock U.S. troops into Iraq for the indefinite future Bush never considers the well-documented possibility that al-Qaeda is playing a double game, baiting the United States about leaving Iraq to ensure that U.S. troops will stay.

In a rational world if one wanted to give any weight to al-Qaedas thinking you would look at unguarded, internal communications, not the public propaganda.

full article: http://www.consortiumnews.com/2006/101106.html
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 02:40 PM
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14. plink
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 04:28 PM
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