The South Park kids are doing 9/11 tonight. On now nt

'matt & trey' (that's their names right?) both feel that if you believe any theory besides the official version you are retarded

Which I am all for. Give em hell Southpark!

This really may be the best show on television.

The one's that say Al Qaeda did it or the one's that say there was US involvement? After all there was that "Pristeen" passport just laying on the street that fell out of Atta's shirt pocket during the impact..

And he wasn't in a 767 going 400 mph.

we all know that........

people do.

They claim it is a good thing to destroy rain forests because there are snakes? Or their whole Saddam still being alive yet Satan boyfriend while he is in hell thing? Or the idea of Cartman as dumbaya kicking OBL's ass like the Roadrunner? Or how about using shit on TV too often summons a dragon?

LOL

Sorry, they on occasion are funny but to take them seriously or to expect them to have a coherent message at any level is non-sane.

That's why they never swear, for instance; they're scared on unleashing the bubonic plague and dragons on innocent people.

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I thought Cartman was conservative and Kyle was liberal

Hence why Cartman is MIHOP and Kyle isn't.

...Cartman is a kook and Kyle is sane.

Hahahaha

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hardy_Boys

for 9/11!

And it was to ridiculous to begin with. Even more ridiculous is the twist in the plot that got both him and the government off the hook.
Given all the ridiculousness, i think that's the point SP was trying to make: when the government is involved, you never know what the truth is.

They will realize that everyone is at fault and no one is really to blame, and they will find a way to make conservatives look like well-meaning and patriotic but bumbling yokels, and will make liberals look like angry, unreasonable jerks who want to be friends with the terrorists.


The writers of South Park are slime, and they are hacks

And, if you're passionate about anything, there's something wrong with you.

Apathy is the best thing in the world

Of course the only 9/11 CTs they raise will be the stupidest ones. All the legitimate questions about the administrations screw-ups will be ignored in favor of the craziest theories out there.

I love strawmen! Pick the whackiest environmentalist out there or pick the stupidest CT on something and then brilliantly "rip it apart" and thus prove that there are no inadequacies in the official 9/11 story or that all environmentalists are stoopid....

How clever of them

They don't like conservatives or liberals.

Equal opportunity offenders.

I often don't mind true libertarians. Granted, they insult my side, but they insult the other side just as much. Meaning they're not overly partial to any side. That's why I like people like Matt and Trey, Penn Jillette and Bill Maher. Sure, they're probably despised by many here, but at least they can't be accused of being overly partisan to either conservatives or liberals. And sometimes a little constructive criticism is a good thing.

I am tired of this "they are equal opportunity bashers" bullshit.

But believe what you want.

Maybe you are proud that Trey Parker thinks anyone who questions Bush is a retard.

I mean, damn. It's a friggin' cartoon!

And if people are so gullible and stupid that their entire political outlook is determined by a fucking cartoon then we are doomed anyway, so why worry?

But is that so different from having their outlook be determined by the "Daily Show"?

...then we're still fucked. I love both shows, but Jesus, when I really want to know about a subject, I read.

I took me years to get over the deep-seeded prejudices agains short bald hunters, redhead cowboys and french skunks that were instilled in me by cartoons.

I don't understand people getting their panties in a wad over South Park. Especially this screeching about "propganda." Well, fine then. By that measure the West Wing or the Daily Show are left-wing propganda. It's ridiculous. Entertainment is allowed to have a political viewpoint without being "propoganda." Any reasonably intelligent person who watches that show will understand that it is satire, and that satirising stereotypes can be quite funny.

For instance, San Francisco disappearing up its own arsehole in a cloud of "smug" during the hybrid car episode. Now I suppose this might be offensive to some progressives, but I lived in San Francisco, and I used to laugh at the myopia of a lot of progressives there, so it was funny to me. Does that make me a bad liberal?

Quite frankly, I get the feeling that a lot of the people around here who get worked up into fits over a fucking cartoon are, in effect, that part of the left that is frequently satirised by South Park. And I suspect that these folks know it, and that's why they're pissed off.

The message, if there is one, is: lighten up.

South Park, which I have loved in the past, does - like the global warming bullshit.

(And to say The Daily Show is leftwing is, how shall I put this...inaccurate, at the very least.)

Google a group of people that political scientists describe as "anti-liberal". You know them as FReepers.

They might not necessicarily agree with conservatives all the time, they might not classify themselves as Republicans or Libertarians or even independents. They just hate liberals.

And they vote accordingly, every year.

These are people who hold their noses while voting for Bush, and there are tons of them out there.

All because they hate liberals more than anything, and their hatred of liberals motivates their voting more than their support of anything ever could.


South Park is raising an entire generation of these people.

Oh, no wait, it isn't. It's a vague desciption of a social tendency and a non-sequitur tagged on to the end. PROVE South Park - a show that's not for children and that's on too late at night for kids to watch - is raising a generation of Freepers. Even presuming the kids ARE watching, is South Park the only cultural influence kids are subjected to? Might there be counterinfluences? Yes? No? You should know these answers, ComerPerro. You did your research, right?

I am talking about South Park's target audience, people between the ages of 14 and 30, many of who are politically unaware.

It teaches them to hate liberals.

And, if they buy into that way of thinking, then it will frame their entire electoral process.

Think about it. You probably know some anti-liberals.

They might not be hardcore Bushbot Conservatives, but they feel conservatives and Republicans are the lesser of two evils because they hate protestors and Political Correctness and environmentalists.

I was in my teens during the Reagan years, when everything in media was all rah rah Ronnie. And yet I'm not a conservative.

This is the same shit I *always* see on DU. If someone in public life ever talks about censoring a TV show, book, video game or porn, it's all "these things don't cause antisocial behavior." But for every bit of cultural produce that projects a view that's illiberal, it's wailing and gnashing of teeth for the youth, and won't somebody think of the future? Well, which is it?

In short, BACK UP WHAT YOU SAY WITH EMPIRICAL DATA.

Of COURSE I know some anti-liberals. And they're surely decrying some fucking cultural thing that made me the misguided crypto-Marxist that I am, and it's probably something I've never even fucking seen or heard. What you seem to be getting at is that eliminating media voices that you disagree with will usher in a joyous era of the New Deal resurrected for eternity. What I'm getting at is that you're a half-step away from talking like a censorious prig. You have not established a direct link from South Park to the existence of anti-liberalism. And I can't wait to see you try, since the aforesaid has existed for WAY longer than the cartoon. You dumb fucking choad.

nowhere did I advocate anything like banning the show, having it censored, anything like that.

Since you don't have a good argument, you invented this position for me so you could shoot it down and try to make me look like a hypocrite.

What I have consistently said is that liberals should not promote a show that promotes conservatism and advocates against liberalism.

You want to be a conservative apologist, go right ahead.

Conservative apologist? Good one.

So fine. I won't promote the show. I never have, really, so that'll be easy. I'll continue to laugh at funny jokes, if that's OK with you.

Oh, wait, hold up a minute - you said WAY more than just "liberals should not promote a show that promotes conservatism" - You said, vehemently and repeatedly, that South Park was creating a generation of anti-liberals. I asked for evidence of this and you kept on arguing that position without providing any.

And I'm still waiting.

How neat the way you almost changed the subject on me! What a clever bunny you are! Dickrot.

For now, like I said, google "South Park Republicans".

Some of your research has been done already.


And, by definition, you are a Conservative apologist.

Trey Parker and Matt Stone are conservative propagandists, and here you are defending them and giving them a pass.


EDIT for spelling, "aer"

Google is not a research tool. A pithy media meme is not evidence.

But, I say, shut up and read:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Park_Republicans

This is just one article.

The term "South Park Republican" has thus become popular among a handful of pundits to describe young Americans who interpret the show's values as being parallel to their cause. They see themselves as being more libertarian and far less puritanical than many other conservative groups (e.g. the religious right). Trey and Matt say they are extremely grateful for the 15 half-hours of airtime that Comedy Central annually affords them because it gives them a "bullhorn to yell at America." The phrase, "You know? I've learned something today..." is the trademark line, used in nearly every episode, to outline the South Park solution to the current moral crisis. South Park Republicans empathize with the characters' consideration of moral guidelines in their attempts to explain their surroundings and are extremely likely to support the "children's" decisions.


could it be any more plain?

The section you yourself boldfaced merely explains that people agree with South Park's slant. I sought and still seek evidence of YOUR ASSERTION that South Park is CREATING a generation of liberal-haters. This is like the zillionth post where I've plainly and specifically asked for you to provide evidence of your claim (I can't reiterate that enough) that South Park is causing generation-wide liberal-hating, and the zillionth time you've ducked it. I'm done with you, not least of all because I'm getting more than a little sick of your personal attacks. "Conservative apologist?" "Shut up and read?"

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They had a show on Comedy Central in 2001 called "That's My Bush!" that did NOTHING but make fun of bush and other republicans.

look at the show. All it ever did was play off of the "Bush is stupid" stereotype, which even conservatives do.

I could argue that "That's My Bush" made Bush look stupid, but like a well-meaning idiot. As in, "He's not bright, but he tries, and we gotta love him for that"

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I like Penn Jillette and Bill Maher for sure, but Matt and Trey are hacks, even though they can be funny at times. Take Team America for instance, while it was a very funny movie, it was extremely offensive to liberals while it almost gave the Bush administration a free pass. They went gung ho about attacking outspoken celebrities who were against the war (and were later vindicated), but they don't attack the Bush administration directly at all, instead directing their ire towards the World Police who are well meaning but end up screwing things up. With how fucked up things have gotten with this administration at the helm, I thought they would have seen the light, but no luck. Last season they had an episode where they make fun of how smug George Clooney (who was gracious enough to guest voice on their show when first starting out, and provided a voice for their SP movie) and other celebrities are. I find it so ironic that they don't see how smug they themselves have become.

Here's why: he's a b*s* supporter.

He appeared in that bullshit lie-filled "Michael Moore Hates America" 'documentary' (alongside the likes of, oh, Ann Coulter).

He's an example of the "South Park Republicans" people are legitimately slamming here. Humor shouldn't be accompanied with lies - can't, in fact, as humor is based on truth, and jokes built on lies don't work.

Doesn't necessarily make him a Bush supporter.

When people paint everything as either black or white, it makes them no better than freepers who do the very same thing.

See my post below.

Doesn't mean I don't like his stances and the stuff he does, I just don't like him.

The SP guys are political retarded. I find a lot of their stuff funny, just n ot the political stuff. They have the opinions of uneducated high school kids when it comes to politics. Very shallow and absolute.

They should stick to fart jokes.

To think they are somehow moderates and not extremely right leaning is way misguided.

First it was annoying how they kept repeating that 9/11 wasn't a conspiracy. Um, by any explanation it was a conspiracy, a group of people plotting what we saw that day. What is up to debate (not in South Park clearly) is WHO conspired. So that made me want to yell at the screen.

There are lots of theories some that hold weight to me others do not but I get why people question the official story because there's a lot there that just defies logic and that has never been explained.

What pissed me off about this episode is that they used that same with us or against us mentality of the * administration. EIther you believe the entire official story or you believe all of the alternative explanations. So by lumping the strongest question with the weakest negated the entire question.

"Just a bunch of pissed off Muslims"? Yah right. That explains why NORAD had no response that day. The US gov't are just a bunch of helpless victims but these alternative theories just make it easier to deal with the helplessness. Very deep and sophisticated thinking.

Fart jokes and making fun of celebrities is what South Park is good at. Except when I like them. The Dog Whisperer espisode and of course Trapped in a Closet was pure genius.

what a few "pissed off Muslims" can easily do? Isn't that "thought process" retarded?

And so they are as much against the social conservatives as we are. Presumably.

I used to watch their show... but it got too creepy for me. They seem to have a huge fascination with closeted gay men and borderline pedophiles. No wonder it appeals to the Freeper mindset.

Most Libertarians love them some Ayn Rand.

In the episode where Officer Bar Brady learns how to read, he later denounces reading because: "I read Atlas Shurgged by Ayn Rand, and that crappy book has made me never to want to read again!"

They don't like the religious right-- so what? They are Republicans. They even said that they are Republicans on-- I believe it was the Season One DVD. Look at Team America: show me one conservative taken to task. They only attack democrats. Penn Jillette and Bill Maher are one thing. I often like what they have to say. Trey Parker and Matt Stone are just absolute stone cold republicans with a libertarian face. They are EXTRAORDINARILY PARTISAN.

They aren't smart enought to constructively criticize their way out of their own asses. They were funny at first, now they're just a fucking laughing stock.

He's worthless.

Penn Jillette agrees with Bush once in a great while, but comes across as pretty anti-Bush.

His radio show is actually pretty good. Most people here would likely be horrified by it, as he does trash liberals occasionally, and he at times gets pretty tasteless, but I do respect the fact that it doesn't sound like he's putting on an act, unlike most of the RW talk show hosts out there.

You can check it out here:

http://www.pennradio.com

Or deep MP3 archives:

http://www.pennfans.com

I'm also a fan of the Showtime show, "Bullshit".

LW libertarian (such as Noam Chomsky: libertarian socialist) or RW libertarian (globalist/corporatist)?

..."A Libertarian is an Anarchist who wants a strong police force available to protect him from his slaves."

I think you summed up the ending of the vast majority of "South Park" episodes pretty well.

gestalt, and apply their irreverance and insults, the show should be in some sort of time capsule.

(see the Michael Jackson episode, or Towley's adventures)

And, other times, not so much.

South Park doing 9/11 though. Just set the DVR. MKJ

I would expect nothing less from their treatment of 9/11.

but hey its just RW satire

where Bush shot the conspiracy theorist through the mouth with a pistol.

Rumsfeld: "He died like a pig"

Questioning Bush and 9/11 = Death. HAHAHAHA *wipes eyes* boy is America going down the shit hole :|

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You're right I haven't seen the episode but that doesn't warrant you telling me to "shut up".

for laughing at something (that you haven't seen) that I find funny.

Then we can be friends.

You're right, sorry though, sorry for saying that.

...that y'all are having this argument over a fucking cartoon.

Aren't there any good Lieberman or impeachment threads out there today?

Seems logical some people would be upset. I can't believe you can't believe people would be upset by SP? It seems that is what the goal of the show is mostly, to offend people. You just are not offended because you happen to agree with the premise of the show. Fine, others feel differently. Go on enjoying SP, there is no law against it.

On a completely unrelated topic, what the heck is the link in your sig? I can't make heads or tails of that site.

It's awesome! Watch it! Anyone who sees this episode should know once and for all should know that South Park isn't conservative.

Gotta be one.

I knew there would be a part coming where they end up giving Bush a free pass and slam all liberals as insane conspiracy nuts

I'm always very suspicious of Matt & Trey I think they are at their best when they stay away from politics.

after it looked as though Bush was admitting to doing 9/11, we finally find out that the 9/11 conspiracies are the real government conspiracy.

Moral of the story: Conspiracy nuts are just that. Nuts. The government perpetuates 9/11 conspiracy because they want people to think they are capable of pulling such a conspiracy off.

They ended by saying, essentially, that 9/11 conspiracies are for sheep, anyone who doubts the official story is a retard, and the alert and aware Americans are the ones who know that Bush is telling the truth about 9/11.

he seems powerful...

And they think anyone who believes that Arabs-In-A-Cave didn't do 9/11 is retarded.

did you stop watching right when you posted this? Did you not see the end?

Or are you a retard, as the creators of South Park say you are

this is a remarkable episode!

did they just make the administration look like fucking idiots or fucking genius's?

The government actually is behind the conspiracy movement so people believe that they are in control of everything, instead of people believing they are completely incompetent and unprepared, which they really are.

Bush and the gov are keeping the conspiracy movement alive, even though 9-11 was causeed by *GASP* a bunch of pissed off muslims.

are retarded.

What's your point?

The poster asked whether they were making BushCo look like idiots or geniuses.

I said "neither", because the goal of Parker was not to make a statement about Bush, but to make a statement about anyone who questions Bush.

Do I need to make it any more plain?

...is if Matt and Trey are dickface conservatives for pushing the point of view that anyone who doesn't believe the official story of 9/11 is a fool, then what does that make the hundreds of LIBERALS who share the same point of view?

The whole point of this episode was "don't question the government"

I'll make my own mind up.

They haven't looked at the gaping holes in the official story.

I'd say lazy, or clueless, or too busy to examine, depending on the person.

But wrong? Sure.

LIHOP always comes in first, MIHOP second, and the OCT a distant third.

"Why did they allow it to happen?"

No point in asking that question unless one thinks they did in fact allow it to happen. Unless anyone wants to argue that something can be allowed to happen on accident - that all the warnings were accidentally ignored...

It won't be long.

and guess what? Nobody gives two shits. Even the OCTers on the board here have yet to acknowledge that a sitting US Senator has stated unequivocally that 911 was essentially allowed to happen.

Take a poll, I dare you. It's been done before. The admins are however of the opinion that if you think 9-11 is a cover up you are nuts, so while threads are locked and thrown in the 9-11 dungeon people like you are allowed to insult 9-11 CTers at will, thus giving you the very false impression that you are in the majority here.

Hell maybe the admins have run off most of the people who were here when 9-11 happened by now? Who knows. For a long time here poll after poll showed the majority of DUers think 9-11 was a cover up.

We are saying that your ideas are somewhere on the scale between "not supported by evidence" and "completely mental." It is the MIHOPers inability to grasp the critical difference between rubbishing an idea and rubbishing a person that necessitated the creation of "the dungeon" in the first place.

Since the inception of this forum on DU I rarely post anymore and frequent the site alot less.

I considered donating the last drive but in a form of disobedience I am withholding until 9-11 is accepted at least with the same recognition as the Election forum receives.

I remember when the same rules applied to the Election Forum but they have since changed to at least get recognized long enough to hit the Greatest Page.

But yet a cartoon depicting the Truth Seekers as retarded gets to hang out in General Forum

9-11 was an inside job

Last week's about WoW was hillarious. This one... eh! I didn't even laugh once.

Not much to laugh out loud at.

if nothing else, Mr. Mackey thinking of every slang term for taking a crap was funny. Of course Cheney walking around in his hunting outfit the whole time was good too.

It's quite obvious from their portrayal of blacks, Jews, gays, and other minorities that they're nothing more than a bunch of RW racist gaybashers, with a bunch of poo-poo jokes thrown in.

I bet people here think Team America was RW propaganda. Bottom line, if that's what you think, you didn't understand the movie.

It's like when Jon Stewart, gasp, makes a joke at a Democrat's expense, and next thing you know there are fifteen threads here saying he's not funny anymore, that he's become a media whore, etc.

No one's going to confuse South Park with Jonathan Swift, but when they're on their game the show is really quite funny.

liberals are helping the terrorists...

Believe me, I understood it. Don't be fooled into thinking that Trey Parker operates on some higher plane...

If he did, he wouldn't resort to (literal) bathroom humor and homophobic jokes.

I'm sure the irony is well and truly lost on you. Do you want me to explain?

I guess you didn't put together the irony that Team America destroyed Paris in order to save it. I also guess you didn't see the irony in an actor (What is Bush when it boils down to it?) saving the world.

I don't care about their personal politics, anymore than they care about mine. I think its a shame that your narrow-minded hatred of all things conservative means you can't appreciate something clever, entertaining and poignant. As said above, their Terri Schiavo spoof was one of their most profound episodes and summed up the debate perfectly.

Though, clearly you've made up your mind and feel the need to berate anyone who disagrees. How 'conservative' of you. Once again, you can't see the irony.

One, you give them too much credit. The point of the opening scene was, "fuck Paris. Fuck the French. We stopped a terror attack, that's what we do." Mainly, that scene wasn't any kind of statement. It was thrown in because FReepers want to see Paris blow up.

Two, their Schaivo episode was horrible. It was poorly written, and maybe you missed the point where they portrayed Michael Schaivo as Eric Cartman, who was having Kenny (Terri) die so he could get his XBox (money, etc).

Meanwhile, they framed the people who "fought for Kenny" as compassionate, good Christians. Even though it portrayed them as tools of Satan, it still made careful considerations to say that these were good people who simply didn't know they were being used.

Summary:

Michael Schaivo was greedy, self-interested, and didn't really care about Terri, and the people who fought for Terri, although they weren't working for the noblest of causes, still had good hearts and were just manipulated, despite their good intentions.


Moreover, compare the real possibility of Cartman acting for selfish motivations with the relative absurdity of an entire town being manipulated by the devil. The result is a satiric statement that attacks on the motives of those who want to "save" Teri are ludicrous at best, while attacks on Michael Schaivo are very credible.


A bit generous toward them, isn't it?