Tester/Burns/Jones CSPAN1 Debate Official Thread

[Greeby]

http://www.c-span.org/watch/cspan_rm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS

Thought I'd get it set up early as the Webb/Macacawitz debate is ending

[montanacowboy]

1. Thanks for the heads up!!

Go Tester!

[ncrainbowgrrl]

2. who's Jones?

:blush: (I feel embarrassed to have to ask this)

[Greeby]

3. Stan Jones, Libertarian

If he's anything like the Libertarian in the Shays/Farrell CT race, expect him to be just another "Republican who smokes pot"

[Renew Deal]

5. Libertarians are always entertaining,

And this guy has run for multiple offices before. Should be fun.

[ncrainbowgrrl]

7. Well, he's laying it ALL out on the table...This shall be interesting.

[Greeby]

4. It's on!

:popcorn:

[bluedogyellowdog]

6. Here we go...

Burns is going to gush about how much he really loves firefighters and puppies and such. Should be fun.

[Sydnie]

8. "The results was good"

Damn, can't any of them speak like they have an education?

[ncrainbowgrrl]

11. Wow- Burns is a POOR speaker. Tester was pretty good-

and brilliant when compared to burnsie.

[Sydnie]

9. Burns looks like he is watching for a sniper

head bobbing around like a dog in the back window of the car.

[ncrainbowgrrl]

12. nah- he's watching for KKKarl to come in on a rescue mission. (n/t)

[burythehatchet]

10. Conrad, making a point

[Sydnie]

13. Faceless, unelected bureaucrat?

WTF is he talking about?

[ncrainbowgrrl]

15. Donno. I doubt that he even knows what he's talking about...

:shrug:

[sandnsea]

17. The scary DC city boy

All MT politicians haul that guy out at election time. He doesn't even know Montana exists, or if he does, doesn't know nothin' bout mountain people anyway. You need someone to keep you safe from those crazy DC regulators and bureaucrats.

[Renew Deal]

20. Hasn't Burns become a crazy DC bureaucrat?

:shrug:

[sandnsea]

25. No no

He's elected see, he represents the people. It's only them unelected farm program boys that are DC bureaucrats.

[ncrainbowgrrl]

22. Burns just said that Tester was in the US Senate!

Oops- freudian slip?

[Sydnie]

26. I caught that too

:rofl: befuddled old man!

[Greeby]

14. Stan Jones advocating nuclear energy as an alternative

Sorry, ya lost me :eyes:

[ncrainbowgrrl]

16. "Last year... we passed a bill." (well -good for you, senator.)

:eyes:

[burythehatchet]

18. I've said it before, I like Tester.

He has a presence.

[Renew Deal]

19. Conrad Burns is bad for America

He is exactly the wrong type of person that we need in Washington. He's lost touch with the needs of his state.

[sandnsea]

21. He was never in touch

But whatever it takes to get the featherhead out.

[ncrainbowgrrl]

24. but...but...but.. his daughter graduated MSU...She...uh...um...

graduated.

[Renew Deal]

I saw that.

Eureka

:think:

[burythehatchet]

23. Bachelors in Music...cool

[sandnsea]

27. Isn't it?

I really really like that guy.

haha, now Jones is accusing Burns of stealing his lines. :rofl:

[ncrainbowgrrl]

29. yeah, that was hilarious!

:rofl:

[ncrainbowgrrl]

28. That makes me Very happy.

It would be nice to have a music major in the senate- you know that they have patience- lots of practicing!

[Greeby]

30. Jones: Government = evil blah blah blah

If you think government sucks, why are you running for federal office? :eyes:

[burythehatchet]

31. HAH...Applause for impeachment

[ncrainbowgrrl]

33. Jones was clapping with the best of them!

That was funny.

[Renew Deal]

36. He's sounds like he wants a public flogging.

:spank:

[Sydnie]

32. Asking about impeachment

Half the crowd applauds, half boos the question. Sheesh!

[Sydnie]

34. Jones wants him impeached!

He will win a vote or two with that ... and lose a vote or two as well.

[ncrainbowgrrl]

35. "Yes! He committed impeachable offenses"

[ncrainbowgrrl]

37. He's completely snappped.

Holy cow, batman!

[karlrschneider]

38. Burns getting a lot of laughs. AT him, not WITH him.

What a goofy fucking tool. :eyes:

[Sydnie]

39. Did he just drop a bomb shell there with who can be nabbed with

the Patriot Act??? :shrug:

Meth control act? WTF is he talking about?

[bluedogyellowdog]

40. Burns is babbling

The question about impeaching Bush...what the hell is Burns babbling about? Drug kingpins? Community colleges? I didn't understand a thing of what he just said.

[Sydnie]

I think the tumor in his head is growing

"economy continues to grow"? He's delusional.

[burythehatchet]

41. its enjoyable to watch him disintegrate

[Renew Deal]

43. I think people are laughing.

Burns is acting like they are running a surplus and patting himself on the back for doing a good job.

[Renew Deal]

42. He's even worse on deficits.

He says that to solve the deficit you have to control spending. He should listen to his own advice.

[Sydnie]

44. except for HIS earmarks, of course

How do you think they got that new Plant Science building at the University? He brought home the bacon!

[Greeby]

45. Jones "Global Warming is not harmful"

Oh Jeebus :eyes:

[Sydnie]

46. "small ice age"

Sounds like a friggin' disney movie!

[BootinUp]

47. Tester is pretty damn good. And JOnes is a riot, and Burns is a loser.

Tester on the Environment kicked butt.

[sandnsea]

49. He is really great

I am incredibly impressed. He is going to change the entire face of the Senate. I am ecstatic!!

[Renew Deal]

48. Burns just wipped out the Clenis

on Executive orders. :rofl:

[karlrschneider]

55. He reminds me of Ted Stevens. What a fookin' moran.

:eyes:

[Sydnie]

50. what is he talking about with the drug kingpin crap?

How the hell is that part of the patriot act? Is he saying that they are now using the warrantless wiretaps for domestic crimes? How the hell could that hold up in court?

[bluedogyellowdog]

51. Stan Jones did a funny

"I don't often get invited"

edit: and "a one world communist government"!

wtf?

[Renew Deal]

53. He's talking about the superhighway.

Part of the "conspiracy"

[Sydnie]

54. yes n/t

[sandnsea]

59. That's the sad part

Some of what he said is true, but he slaps it up against crazy things like the 'americo' or whatever, and becomes nothing but a laughing stock.

[Renew Deal]

52. Give this thread some recommendations

Others will appreciate it. :thumbsup:

[Sydnie]

56. Done n/t

[karlrschneider]

62. It's about over, but a quick

:kick:

[bluedogyellowdog]

57. The "most worst kind"

OK, I'm convinced Stan Jones is a complete loony,

and Conrad Burns is a bibbling idiot who needs to take an early retirement.

[Renew Deal]

60. At least he didn't say "black helicopters"

[Renew Deal]

58. Burns just got slapped by Jones on the new world order

communist stuff.

[sandnsea]

61. A soviet constitution???

Oh come on, why do people waste their time when there are more important issues staring us right in the face. Well, except those issues aren't real to him because he's too busy with his conspiracy theories.

[Greeby]

63. And they wonder why there are no Libertarians in Congress?

:crazy:

[ncrainbowgrrl]

64. Well, he was fine in the 30 second soundbites!

past that.. :puke:

[wellstone dem]

65. Tester is impressive

He is so soft spoken yet powerful. Good job.

[Sydnie]

66. burns totally snubbed ole Stan there

Stan went to shake his hand and Burns turned on his heels and split. Stan just gave the swipe of air to his back as he walked off.

Such a class act that Burns is ... NOT!

[ncrainbowgrrl]

67. I think that one action says it all about burns' character.

:eyes:

[BootinUp]

68. sounds good, but didn't happen

Burns shook both of their hands.

[Sydnie]

71. I scrolled back and saw that

He did. Jones was looking for the three candidates to stand together for pictures maybe and Burns just leaves the stage instead.

I stand corrected.

[ncrainbowgrrl]

73. Thanks for the correction. I didn't see it, as I was typing.

and just reacted to the info in the previous post, as it would have been a "HUGH!!!1!" snub!
:hi:

[Sydnie]

69. Did you see it too?

What a jerk. He went to Tester to shake his hand, and totally ignored Jones. What a shit he is.

[Renew Deal]

70. Jones really did the damage.

While Tester looked nice.

[chat_noir]

72. Debate professionals' opinions

http://www.debatescoop.org/story/2006/10/9/205236/836

Closing Statements
Jones - one world communist government, whoa. This wasn't his planned closing statement? He was reading it. Self description as "conspiracy theorist" is the most accurate thing he's said all night. The "Amereuro" currency. Watch out for the Super Highways and the radio-chips in your ID cards. World Communism? Jones should check out the historical scorecard.

Burns - funny start poking fun at Jones, very disarming. Has a strong connection between the Supreme Court, Kelo and his opponents. Probably his best linked argument all night. Does anyone really believe GOP tax cuts are progressive? His closing was a bit rambling, with no central theme. No direct answer to charges of corruption.

Tester - Burns 23% sales tax. Saved that one for the closing statement where Burns couldn't respond. Abramoff, first direct mention. More on Montana values in DC. Very strong, natural style. Nice argument on "rubber stamp" and comparing MT legislature and Congress. Deficit spending "and they call themselves fiscal conservatives." Back to his narrative about who he is. "The next generation" is a great summary.

Director of Debate - Miami University Oxford, OH



Best I have seen Tester in the three debates I have seen him in.
In fact, best debater I have seen in any of the debates this season.

He smoothly linked answers to the issues that mattered most to any undecided voter while still answering with specifics, established his credibility, wove a them of "Montana values" and painted a picture of Burns as corrupt, all while not seeming to force anything. Smooth.

Burns was almost a parody of himself. "I bring home pork and I am irritable and occasionally incoherent."

How Burns could appeal to the media or the undecideds through this debate is hard to see.

Be the debater you want to see.

by Ross Smith