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Greeby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 07:52 PM
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Tester/Burns/Jones CSPAN1 Debate Official Thread
http://www.c-span.org/watch/cspan_rm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS

Thought I'd get it set up early as the Webb/Macacawitz debate is ending
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montanacowboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 07:55 PM
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1. Thanks for the heads up!!
Go Tester!
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ncrainbowgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 07:57 PM
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2. who's Jones?
Edited on Mon Oct-09-06 08:01 PM by ncrainbowgrrl
:blush: (I feel embarrassed to have to ask this)
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Greeby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:00 PM
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3. Stan Jones, Libertarian
If he's anything like the Libertarian in the Shays/Farrell CT race, expect him to be just another "Republican who smokes pot"
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:01 PM
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5. Libertarians are always entertaining,
And this guy has run for multiple offices before. Should be fun.
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ncrainbowgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:02 PM
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7. Well, he's laying it ALL out on the table...This shall be interesting.
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Greeby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:00 PM
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4. It's on!
:popcorn:
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bluedogyellowdog Donating Member (338 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:02 PM
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6. Here we go...
Burns is going to gush about how much he really loves firefighters and puppies and such. Should be fun.
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:04 PM
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8. "The results was good"
Damn, can't any of them speak like they have an education?
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ncrainbowgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:08 PM
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11. Wow- Burns is a POOR speaker. Tester was pretty good-
and brilliant when compared to burnsie.
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:05 PM
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9. Burns looks like he is watching for a sniper
head bobbing around like a dog in the back window of the car.
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ncrainbowgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:09 PM
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12. nah- he's watching for KKKarl to come in on a rescue mission. (n/t)
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:08 PM
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10. Conrad, making a point
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:12 PM
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13. Faceless, unelected bureaucrat?
WTF is he talking about?
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ncrainbowgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:14 PM
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15. Donno. I doubt that he even knows what he's talking about...
:shrug:
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:17 PM
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17. The scary DC city boy
All MT politicians haul that guy out at election time. He doesn't even know Montana exists, or if he does, doesn't know nothin' bout mountain people anyway. You need someone to keep you safe from those crazy DC regulators and bureaucrats.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:21 PM
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20. Hasn't Burns become a crazy DC bureaucrat?
:shrug:
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:23 PM
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25. No no
He's elected see, he represents the people. It's only them unelected farm program boys that are DC bureaucrats.

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ncrainbowgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:22 PM
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22. Burns just said that Tester was in the US Senate!
Oops- freudian slip?
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:24 PM
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26. I caught that too
:rofl: befuddled old man!
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Greeby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:13 PM
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14. Stan Jones advocating nuclear energy as an alternative
Sorry, ya lost me :eyes:
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ncrainbowgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:15 PM
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16. "Last year... we passed a bill." (well -good for you, senator.)
:eyes:
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:18 PM
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18. I've said it before, I like Tester.
He has a presence.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:20 PM
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19. Conrad Burns is bad for America
He is exactly the wrong type of person that we need in Washington. He's lost touch with the needs of his state.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:22 PM
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21. He was never in touch
But whatever it takes to get the featherhead out.
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ncrainbowgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:23 PM
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24. but...but...but.. his daughter graduated MSU...She...uh...um...
graduated.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:26 PM
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I saw that.
Edited on Mon Oct-09-06 08:26 PM by Bleachers7
Eureka

:think:
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:22 PM
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23. Bachelors in Music...cool
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:24 PM
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27. Isn't it?
I really really like that guy.

haha, now Jones is accusing Burns of stealing his lines. :rofl:
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ncrainbowgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:26 PM
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29. yeah, that was hilarious!
:rofl:
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ncrainbowgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:25 PM
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28. That makes me Very happy.
It would be nice to have a music major in the senate- you know that they have patience- lots of practicing!
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Greeby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:26 PM
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30. Jones: Government = evil blah blah blah
If you think government sucks, why are you running for federal office? :eyes:
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:26 PM
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31. HAH...Applause for impeachment
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ncrainbowgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:27 PM
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33. Jones was clapping with the best of them!
That was funny.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:30 PM
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36. He's sounds like he wants a public flogging.
:spank:
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:27 PM
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32. Asking about impeachment
Half the crowd applauds, half boos the question. Sheesh!
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:29 PM
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34. Jones wants him impeached!
He will win a vote or two with that ... and lose a vote or two as well.
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ncrainbowgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:30 PM
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35. "Yes! He committed impeachable offenses"
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ncrainbowgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:32 PM
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37. He's completely snappped.
Holy cow, batman!
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:32 PM
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38. Burns getting a lot of laughs. AT him, not WITH him.
What a goofy fucking tool. :eyes:
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:32 PM
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39. Did he just drop a bomb shell there with who can be nabbed with
the Patriot Act??? :shrug:

Meth control act? WTF is he talking about?
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bluedogyellowdog Donating Member (338 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:33 PM
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40. Burns is babbling
The question about impeaching Bush...what the hell is Burns babbling about? Drug kingpins? Community colleges? I didn't understand a thing of what he just said.
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:36 PM
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I think the tumor in his head is growing
"economy continues to grow"? He's delusional.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:36 PM
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41. its enjoyable to watch him disintegrate
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:37 PM
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43. I think people are laughing.
Burns is acting like they are running a surplus and patting himself on the back for doing a good job.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:36 PM
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42. He's even worse on deficits.
Edited on Mon Oct-09-06 08:40 PM by Bleachers7
He says that to solve the deficit you have to control spending. He should listen to his own advice.
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:38 PM
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44. except for HIS earmarks, of course
How do you think they got that new Plant Science building at the University? He brought home the bacon!
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Greeby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:42 PM
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45. Jones "Global Warming is not harmful"
Oh Jeebus :eyes:
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:43 PM
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46. "small ice age"
Sounds like a friggin' disney movie!
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:44 PM
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47. Tester is pretty damn good. And JOnes is a riot, and Burns is a loser.
Tester on the Environment kicked butt.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:45 PM
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49. He is really great
I am incredibly impressed. He is going to change the entire face of the Senate. I am ecstatic!!
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:45 PM
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48. Burns just wipped out the Clenis
Edited on Mon Oct-09-06 08:45 PM by Bleachers7
on Executive orders. :rofl:
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:48 PM
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55. He reminds me of Ted Stevens. What a fookin' moran.
:eyes:
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:46 PM
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50. what is he talking about with the drug kingpin crap?
How the hell is that part of the patriot act? Is he saying that they are now using the warrantless wiretaps for domestic crimes? How the hell could that hold up in court?
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bluedogyellowdog Donating Member (338 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:46 PM
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51. Stan Jones did a funny
Edited on Mon Oct-09-06 08:47 PM by bluedogyellowdog
"I don't often get invited"

edit: and "a one world communist government"!

wtf?
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:48 PM
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53. He's talking about the superhighway.
Edited on Mon Oct-09-06 08:48 PM by Bleachers7
Part of the "conspiracy"
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:48 PM
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54. yes n/t
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:50 PM
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59. That's the sad part
Some of what he said is true, but he slaps it up against crazy things like the 'americo' or whatever, and becomes nothing but a laughing stock.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:47 PM
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52. Give this thread some recommendations
Others will appreciate it. :thumbsup:
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:49 PM
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56. Done n/t
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:52 PM
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62. It's about over, but a quick
:kick:
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bluedogyellowdog Donating Member (338 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:49 PM
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57. The "most worst kind"
OK, I'm convinced Stan Jones is a complete loony,

and Conrad Burns is a bibbling idiot who needs to take an early retirement.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:50 PM
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60. At least he didn't say "black helicopters"
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:50 PM
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58. Burns just got slapped by Jones on the new world order
communist stuff.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:51 PM
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61. A soviet constitution???
Oh come on, why do people waste their time when there are more important issues staring us right in the face. Well, except those issues aren't real to him because he's too busy with his conspiracy theories.

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Greeby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:52 PM
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63. And they wonder why there are no Libertarians in Congress?
:crazy:
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ncrainbowgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:53 PM
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64. Well, he was fine in the 30 second soundbites!
past that.. :puke:
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wellstone dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:55 PM
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65. Tester is impressive
He is so soft spoken yet powerful. Good job.
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:56 PM
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66. burns totally snubbed ole Stan there
Stan went to shake his hand and Burns turned on his heels and split. Stan just gave the swipe of air to his back as he walked off.

Such a class act that Burns is ... NOT!
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ncrainbowgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:59 PM
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67. I think that one action says it all about burns' character.
:eyes:
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 09:00 PM
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68. sounds good, but didn't happen
Burns shook both of their hands.
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 09:06 PM
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71. I scrolled back and saw that
He did. Jones was looking for the three candidates to stand together for pictures maybe and Burns just leaves the stage instead.

I stand corrected.
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ncrainbowgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 09:49 AM
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73. Thanks for the correction. I didn't see it, as I was typing.
and just reacted to the info in the previous post, as it would have been a "HUGH!!!1!" snub!
:hi:
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 09:01 PM
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69. Did you see it too?
What a jerk. He went to Tester to shake his hand, and totally ignored Jones. What a shit he is.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 09:06 PM
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70. Jones really did the damage.
While Tester looked nice.
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chat_noir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 10:15 PM
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72. Debate professionals' opinions

http://www.debatescoop.org/story/2006/10/9/205236/836

Closing Statements
Jones - one world communist government, whoa. This wasn't his planned closing statement? He was reading it. Self description as "conspiracy theorist" is the most accurate thing he's said all night. The "Amereuro" currency. Watch out for the Super Highways and the radio-chips in your ID cards. World Communism? Jones should check out the historical scorecard.

Burns - funny start poking fun at Jones, very disarming. Has a strong connection between the Supreme Court, Kelo and his opponents. Probably his best linked argument all night. Does anyone really believe GOP tax cuts are progressive? His closing was a bit rambling, with no central theme. No direct answer to charges of corruption.

Tester - Burns 23% sales tax. Saved that one for the closing statement where Burns couldn't respond. Abramoff, first direct mention. More on Montana values in DC. Very strong, natural style. Nice argument on "rubber stamp" and comparing MT legislature and Congress. Deficit spending "and they call themselves fiscal conservatives." Back to his narrative about who he is. "The next generation" is a great summary.

Director of Debate - Miami University Oxford, OH



Best I have seen Tester in the three debates I have seen him in.
In fact, best debater I have seen in any of the debates this season.

He smoothly linked answers to the issues that mattered most to any undecided voter while still answering with specifics, established his credibility, wove a them of "Montana values" and painted a picture of Burns as corrupt, all while not seeming to force anything. Smooth.

Burns was almost a parody of himself. "I bring home pork and I am irritable and occasionally incoherent."

How Burns could appeal to the media or the undecideds through this debate is hard to see.

Be the debater you want to see.

by Ross Smith

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