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D23MIURG23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 07:12 PM
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Halliburton Building Concentration Camps for Americans
A story appeared on AlterNet today alleging that Kellogg Brown and Root, a Halliburton subsidiary has begun construction on a very large facility to hold "Unlawful Enemy Combatants", and that Americans are certain to be included.

http://www.alternet.org/rights/42458/
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dave502d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 07:16 PM
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1. Would they be called adult Jesus Camp. n/t
Edited on Mon Oct-09-06 07:17 PM by dave502d
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D23MIURG23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 07:21 PM
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4. LMAO Christian reeducation for all...
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:40 PM
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19. Reminds me of the Simpsons!
There was an episode where Ned Flanders takes over the world and anyone who doesnt think like he does gets sent to a "Re-Neducation Center". Sounds too real to be true! :rofl:
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Swede Atlanta Donating Member (906 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 07:19 PM
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2. Bingo
This is what will happen next. Remember the saying, "when first they came for the communists, I said nothing", then they came for the ......". They plan to quell dissent in this country by incarcerating, under their newfound powers to imprison any "enemy combatant" without any right of habeas corpus, right to appeal to a U.S. court of law, etc. And enemy combatant will be anyone who disagrees with them. This is truly a very dark day in the history of this sacred republic.
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hpot Donating Member (359 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 12:31 PM
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44. We still have the Constitution
The wannabe dictator and his enablers can write all the laws they want but if it does not conform with the Constitution it can be thrown out and disregarded by the courts. Americans may not have been specifically excluded but they still have rights under the Constitution.
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 01:48 PM
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46. The aforementioned bill includes a provision that rules out any
court involvement in the complete process. In fact, it makes judicial meddling illegal.


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hpot Donating Member (359 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 02:11 PM
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47. Does that apply to the Supreme Court?
Edited on Tue Oct-10-06 02:19 PM by hpot
U.S. Constitution

Article III

Section 1. The judicial power of the United States, shall be vested in one Supreme Court, and in such inferior courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish. The judges, both of the supreme and inferior courts, shall hold their offices during good behaviour, and shall, at stated times, receive for their services, a compensation, which shall not be diminished during their continuance in office.

Section 2. The judicial power shall extend to all cases, in law and equity, arising under this Constitution, the laws of the United States, and treaties made, or which shall be made, under their authority;--to all cases affecting ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls;--to all cases of admiralty and maritime jurisdiction;-- to controversies to which the United States shall be a party;--to controversies between two or more states;--between a state and citizens of another state;--between citizens of different states;--between citizens of the same state claiming lands under grants of different states, and between a state, or the citizens thereof, and foreign states, citizens or subjects.
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B3Nut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 02:39 PM
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48. According to this section, it is illegal
to attempt to pass a law forbidding any judicial oversight of any kind pertaining to the constitutionality of the law being passed. Either our legislators' depth of ignorance is greater than previously thought, or their depth of criminality is greater than previously thought. Either way, it is truly terrifying. The only country able to destroy America is America itself, and it looks like the current regime is attempting just that, while labeling those wishing to preserve and truly protect America by preserving her Constitution as un-American or worse. It is truly beyond apalling.

Suite Madame Blue....gaze in your looking-glass....you're not a child anymore....

Todd in Cheesecurdistan
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 07:19 PM
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3. That Should Make An Excellent Holding Place for BushCo Criminals
and the irony would just slay them!
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 07:22 PM
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5. Just take a peek
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Infinite Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 07:28 PM
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6. Fortunately...
in order to carry such acts out, they need a supportive military and our military would do one of two things:
1)Refuse commands
2)Turn on those in command
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LiberalArkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 07:38 PM
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8. And I do not think they have the support of the military.
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ariellyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:13 PM
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13. There will be a handpicked few in the military who will go along
and that is all that they need.
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DireStrike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:48 PM
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26. Yeah, the SS to keep the army in line...
and the army to keep the people in line.
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 03:41 AM
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35. The military has been PRIVATIZED, remember?
We now have highly paid commercial mercenaries -- same guys that tried to kill the poor citizens during Katrina.

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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 10:37 PM
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28. Welcome to DU, Infinite Hope!
That's one of the nicest names I've seen in a while. :hi:
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focusfan Donating Member (884 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 07:11 AM
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42. Don`t most in the military believe in Bushco
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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 05:40 PM
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51. don't think so... n/t
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 07:28 PM
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7. That old movie "Wild in the Streets" rounded up people over 30
and put them in concentration camps. But it wasn't so bad. They were constantly tripping on acid.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 07:41 PM
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9. Good little article, and it is a very, very, serious concern.
BushCo is nuts and will do anything.

And with that, it's off I go to "camp it up".
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Tess49 Donating Member (606 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 07:45 PM
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10. Maybe I'll see you there. I didn't get to go to camp when I was a
kid. This will be a new experience for me. Do we sew our names into our underwear?
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:16 PM
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14. What underwear?
We'll be lucky to get a jumpsuit.

Probably it would be group-sharing of the same ten-thousand pairs of undies. That would seem to be the most cost effective measure.

I guess that's what happens when the king is not amused.

On the plus side, slave labor from political prisoners would move from China back to the USA. Wal-Mart can say they sell American produced goods again!

Which makes me wonder, are any manufacturing concerns lined up to take advantage of that workforce? Anyone think that's worth investigating.

Admittedly, I have some pretty odd ideas at times. Perhaps I've gotten ahead of the situation here.
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Tess49 Donating Member (606 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:25 PM
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15. Time to review that old favorite -- Sam Cooke's 'Working on
the Chain Gang'.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:33 PM
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16. Will they let us sing?
:shrug:

You're a hopeful kinda gal, ain't cha? :-)
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Tess49 Donating Member (606 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:36 PM
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17. Yeah. Hope springs eternal.
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 07:51 PM
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11. Halliburton can't build enough concentration camps to hold all those
who support destruction of our Republic and its Constitution, all those who must hate liberty and freedom by supporting those who are busily implementing a different type of government and society.
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SlavesandBulldozers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 12:58 AM
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33. great post. n/t
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:10 PM
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12. How will haliburton do business when US. troops are pulled out?
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:37 PM
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18. Be sure of the source here. A friend sent me a similar article
that originated on a neonazi site. My question is why would they need to build camps when there are so many military bases available?
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:43 PM
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23. Alternet, and
"Marjorie Cohn is a professor at Thomas Jefferson School of Law, president-elect of the National Lawyers Guild, and the US representative to the executive committee of the American Association of Jurists."
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D23MIURG23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 10:16 PM
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27. Its a clean article, I made sure of that.
Ive actually been hearing buzz about prison camps in America for awhile, but I never had a reasonable source untill today.
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SlavesandBulldozers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 12:57 AM
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32. yeah that article just abounds with sources.
they virtually leap off the pages. along with the detail. the proof is stunning. bulletproof, even, i'd say.


It's a SLAM DUNK!
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 03:54 AM
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36. This conspiracy theory...
...goes back to Clinton. I think back then the UN was building the camps.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 04:50 AM
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39. There have been one or two things recently
Such as this, from February this year:

The Army Corps of Engineers has awarded a contract worth up to $385 million for building temporary immigration detention centers to Kellogg Brown & Root, the Halliburton subsidiary that has been criticized for overcharging the Pentagon for its work in Iraq.

KBR would build the centers for the Homeland Security Department for an unexpected influx of immigrants, to house people in the event of a natural disaster or for new programs that require additional detention space, company executives said. KBR, which announced the contract last month, had a similar contract with immigration agencies from 2000 to last year.
...
She added that she could not provide additional information about the company's statement that the contract was also meant to support the rapid development of new programs.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/04/national/04halliburto...


It's that catch-all "new programs" (meaning something other than illegal immigrants, or a natural disaster), that has set people's teeth on edge.
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sutz12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:41 PM
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20. The most hopeful scene in V for Vendetta
Was when the general refused to order the troops to fire on the civilians as they crowded through the massed troops to watch the Houses of Parliament explode. Sorry if I ruined the movie for anyone who hasn't seen it yet, but that was a great scene.

I can only hope that our military would act as responsibly. Certainly, Clark seems to be a military man with a great sense of patriotism and a proper sense of what his duty is towards the Constitution. I trust no Republican to have such a sense. I used to think Powell had it before he jumped the shark in front of the UN.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:43 PM
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21. Black Dawn is coming!...
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SlavesandBulldozers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:44 PM
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24. HAAVEEEENNGEE MEEEEE
Edited on Mon Oct-09-06 08:44 PM by SlavesandBulldozers
HAAVVEEEEEEEENNNGGGEEEE MMEEEEEEE!!!!

lol thanks for the post of the nite.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 10:17 PM
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53. Another scene from a possible not to distant future.
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SlavesandBulldozers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:43 PM
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22. yeah this same shit was said about Clenis during the 90's
they are always "building these camps", used to be for Christians, now its for liberals. It's a bunch of bullshit. They are never done with them either, they are always being built. even though they're ramshackle and packed to the gills with cheap guillotines (is it guillotines this time or something more nefarious?)

i'm not too worried about it either way, since I'm not going to be put on any train - that much is for sure.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:45 PM
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25. It was also said during Reagan.
But somehow, these folks in power make it all seem somehow less nutty of an idea.

Our rights have been gutted.

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SlavesandBulldozers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 12:44 AM
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30. there's definitely no deficit of nuttiness nowadays..
i don't mean to put anything past them, that was DEFINITELY not the impression I intended to make.

this article is big on history and small on details on the assertion of its headline.
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D23MIURG23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 10:37 PM
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29. If they really are building these camps...
It should raise eyebrows, even if you don't think you will end up in one. Exactly what the hell do they need these for anyway? Some kind of bizarre economic stimulus package? Add to that the fact that Bush really does have a law now allowing him to declare anyone an "Unlawful Enemy Combatant" (suspending hadeas corpus), and that most people probably aren't aware that this sort of thing is going on, and I'd say you have a concerning situation. I don't intend to get on any trains either by the way...
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SlavesandBulldozers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 12:48 AM
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31. i it should raise eyebrows.
Edited on Tue Oct-10-06 01:04 AM by SlavesandBulldozers
and we are also in no defecit of eyebrow raising circumstances nor is there a shortage of concerning situations in this nation or this world or in what this nation does to this world and vice versa.

eyebrow raising and concerning situations in terms of prisons in the US? One camp that holds 10000 people? That's any Tuesday in America - not some mythical Blade Runnerian future - we're already the number one jailer in the world. It's already big business, it's already a republican and racist conspiracy. Historical inertia, stemming mainly from greed, is more powerful than any other force here or anywhere.
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PhilYerHead Donating Member (160 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 03:32 AM
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34. We are just buying a gun, game over. n/t
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 04:03 AM
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37. Just as they put the finishing touches on their new crowd-control
weapons which can zap large numbers of people at a time, when they demonstrate in the streets, and large areas, like Washington, D.C., like the Iraq War Protests. Cool, huh?

I have a feeling we all are going to get to know each other a whole lot better: maybe too much better, being lib'ruls, and "DemoRATS," etc. Oh, yeah.

Well, I get dibs on the top bunk.
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mykpart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 04:06 AM
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38. Damn! Where are those black helicopters
from the U.N. when you need them?
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 11:55 AM
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43. Here they are!

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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 06:55 AM
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40. My personal opinion is "Conscientious Objectors" will be put there, too.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 07:06 AM
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41. Somewhere out there, Kurt Prfer is smiling...
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 01:06 PM
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45. related posts and other online info on this from earlier this year:
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D23MIURG23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 04:58 PM
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49. Thank you.
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 05:24 PM
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50. Punishment Park is coming. Alternet's been reporting this since February.
There was a great thread on DU about this:

It appears the newly formed U.S. Detention camps are for real.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Here is the OP:
Bush's Mysterious new Program, what some of us here on D/U have known all along. See you all soon at the detainment camps.


Snip < I stand by this president's ability, inherent to being commander in chief, to find out about Fifth Column movements, and I don't think you need a warrant to do that," Graham added, volunteering to work with the administration to draft guidelines for how best to neutralize this alleged threat.


Snip< But recent developments suggest that the Bush administration may already be contemplating what to do with Americans who are deemed insufficiently loyal or who disseminate information that may be considered helpful to the enemy. Top U.S. officials have cited the need to challenge news that undercuts Bush's actions as a key front in defeating the terrorists, who are aided by "news informers," in the words of Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.

Snip<Scott speculated that the "detention centers could be used to detain American citizens if the Bush administration were to declare martial law." He recalled that during the Reagan administration, National Security Council aide Oliver North organized Rex-84 "readiness exercise," which contemplated the Federal Emergency Management Agency rounding up and detaining 400,000 "refugees," in the event of "uncontrolled population movements" over the Mexican border into the United States

http://www.alternet.org/story/32647


For those who don't get the Punishment Park reference, you need to see this movie:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0067633 /
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 06:09 PM
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52. These may also be "Alternative Work Camps" for Conscientious Objectors
Under the current plan, the government is authorized to place Conscientious Objectors into programs and "Alternative Work Camps" administered by churches, religious groups, and private corporations. They're SUPPOSED to match applicants to programs that suit their skills, and that don't violate their personal ethics.

Do you believe the government will keep to that promise?

I sure don't.

All Your Conscientious Objectors Are Belong To Halliburton.



See my prior post on this topic:

After the immigrants... Alternative Work Camps for Conscientious Objectors
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


See this article:
http://www.academy.umd.edu/Publications/NationalService...

See also:

Conscientious objector
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscientious_objector

Who else will they lock-up?

Well, the usual scapegoats and "undesirables", of course:
Immigrants, Gays, Jews, the Mentally Ill, Muslims, Liberals, War Protesters, Dissidents, Conscientious Objectors, the handicapped, people on welfare, people living on social security, people with AIDS...

See my prior post:

America's Roadmap to The Apocalypse
Topic started by IanDB1 on Jul-29-06 05:57 PM (21 replies)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

These are my own, personal opinions.



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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 10:25 PM
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54. It's not for Americans
Edited on Tue Oct-10-06 10:26 PM by Marie26
It's for immigrants. The detention camps are being built for Immigration & Customs Enforcement, the agency that detains & deports illegal aliens, as well as immigrants who have expired visas or are being deported for other reasons. Now, three things have happened.

First, Halliburton gets a fat contract to build new immigrant detention facilities. Second, Congress passes a bill that gives Bush the power to declare any alien to be an "enemy combatant." The bill also rescinds habeas corpus, so that an alien can be held indefinitely w/o trial or access to the judicial system. Third, DHS has stepped up raids of immigrants around the country. So, they've created more detention camps, at the same time that Congress has given them the right to detain aliens indefinitely, at the same time that even more aliens are being seized. The writing on the wall is clear here, IMO. If these camps are built, it won't be for liberals, but the thousands of new "alien enemy combatants" the torture bill has created. I think the plans for this bill have been in the works for a long time.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 10:43 PM
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55. They also SAID they invaded Iraq for WMD's...
Don't trust their rationale for ANYTHING! That should be lesson #1!
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 10:58 PM
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56. So if it's
for immigrants, is that OK? Why do people only focus on the danger to US citizens?
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-11-06 10:05 AM
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57. It's not OK for either... Just don't believe only what they say!
Edited on Wed Oct-11-06 10:06 AM by calipendence
They are pontificating for the benefit of their xenophobic brethren by letting out that this is for illegal immigrants. If they let out that their real motivation might be for detention camps for "regular Americans" too, that just happen to disagree with them, then there might be more cause for revolt within their own party too.

Neither going after immigrants nor Americans should be acceptable in these "camps". These camps shouldn't be necessary anyway, and should be seen for the perk to Halliburton that it is! We already have plenty of prison space to house those illegal employers, who if we go after in terms of hiring illegal immigrants with the aggressiveness we should, would solve our immigration problem and have most of those here illegally go back over the border themselves and take more issue with the likes of Fox and Calderon that they should have better industry/jobs in Mexico instead of working with Bush to make use of a cheap labor force that can't find jobs in Mexico.

Spending tons of money on an apartheid wall, prison camps, and border guards to the likes of Halliburton isn't going to solve the problem. Just reward Bush's buddies. Having a "guest program" that takes away many American's jobs or at least lowers their salaries ALSO isn't going to solve the problem. The Dems need to start voicing a third alternative like what Thom Hartmann has been proposing. It would be cheaper and also create less enemies, and not make the fat cats fatter!
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