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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 03:56 PM
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Just turned a friend onto V for Vendetta.
She's former military, from a family with a long, proud family military history. Although she says she was "sought out" just as her son was also "sought out" and recruited. She has speculated that the US Military looks for family genetics. I pointed out that the theory of eugenics was popular in America before it was in Germany, and although america "claimed" to abandon eugenics after the horrors of Nazi Germany.... well, need I say more?

Anyway, she's conservative in aome areas and liberal in others, but in areas that can't really be pigeon-holed by most political definitions.

That said, she hates Bush. She disagrees with his most of his domestic policies, but her real hatred lies behind his incompetence as a military leader. Which, of course, she considers to be her forte. Especially in historical terms. She is really quite well versed in the strategies of Alexander, Napolean, etc. not only from a military point of view but from a political point of view, as well.

She has also said that she honestly believed that a Revolution was coming in America. A full-blown Revolution. Based on historical trends.

Anyway, we got together for a "movie night", with pizza, hot wings, and looking for a good "action" movie. I had just bought "V" on sale, and she hadn't seen it. I have to admit I feel a little guilty for not warning her what it really was.

On second thought, no I don't!

So we're going through the movie, and she has lots of questions. "I can't tell you, I'll spoil it."

She loves V. Then she hates V. Then she says, "Wow, how did they ever let this movie out?"

As I was leaving, I asked if she wanted to borrow it and watch it again. Being the gracious Southern Woman that she is, she said "no, it's yours, please take it with you". I then pointed out that I would be out of town for a week and I could pick it up when I returned. She then said "well, there are a lot of things I think I missed, and I have another friend visiting that should see this..."
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bigbrother05 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 04:03 PM
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1. I just watched it, and loved it
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 05:00 PM
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2. My favorite movie. I've watched it about 10x. Great message.
Maybe I'll watch it again tonight. I feel inspired after viewing it because it offers hope, the hope that regular people really do care. Although in V the regular people had to lose a lot before they did act. It reminds me of the line from the song "Big Yellow Taxi": "Now don't it always seem to go
That you don't know what you got till it's gone..."
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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 07:20 PM
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11. "they paved Paradise, and put in a Parking Lot..."
Truer words were never spoken. Most people don't even know what we lost, because they never had a chance to see it..

"They took all the trees, and put them in a Tree Museum,
Where they charge everyone a dollar and a half just to see 'em."
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 05:05 PM
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3. What is the subject of this movie?
can you give a little of the details.
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chat_noir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 05:44 PM
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5. Over 500 reviews - 95% positive - at IMDb
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 05:51 PM
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7. antihero fights oppressive, Bush-esque government.
It's a Robin Hood movie.
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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 07:39 PM
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14. Sorry, I'm a Robin Hood fan. This movie delves much deeper.
Yes, this movie may be inspired by many previous works, and one of them is definitely Robin Hood. But to simply dismiss it as a "Robin Hood" movie does yourself a dishonor, for not appreciating the deeper layers.
One could also say it's a Nietzsche movie.
It works on many levels. I appreciate it more each time I see it.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 05:58 PM
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8. here is a review....
http://www.rollingstone.com/reviews/movie/7222868/revie...

Hugo Weaving -- Agent Smith in the Matrix movies -- plays this terrorist grandmaster behind a fiberglass mask that makes his vocal wit and physical eloquence doubly remarkable. Never mind that the Shakespeare-quoting, rose-carrying V comes dangerously close to Phantom of the Opera kitsch. Or that his politics can be as simplistic as Billy Jack's. V has his mojo working.

And so do the filmmakers. The source material is the 1989 graphic novel illustrated by David Lloyd and written by Alan Moore, who wants no part of what the Wachowskis have wrought. Moore took his name off the film's credits. Moore's novel skewered the 1980s England of Margaret Thatcher. In the Wachowski update, England is a police state ruled by Chancellor Sutler (John Hurt), a fear-mongering, gay-bashing, Islam-hating dictator who strips citizens of their civil rights and religious freedoms in exchange for protection from bioweapons of mass destruction. Some see parallels here to BushWorld. Come on. The chancellor, as acted to the hilt by Hurt, can't be W -- he's hyperarticulate.

V for Vendetta, more fun and less self-referential than those appalling Matrix sequels, is an action film that is not afraid to stop for thoughtful debate, a wry laugh or a lesson on how to fry an egg for a pretty girl. That (the girl, not the egg) would be Evey (Natalie Portman), a slave at a chancellor-controlled TV network. The station has its own Bill O'Reilly figure in the blowhard Prothero (Roger Allam). And the chancellor has his own Dick Cheney in Creedy (Tim Pigott-Smith), who aims his buckshot at Deitrich (Stephen Fry), a closet gay who mocks the chancellor in a TV comedy skit. Poor Evey doesn't know where to turn.

On her first meeting with V, who saves her from rape by police thugs, Evey is taken to a rooftop for some fireworks. Not the sexual kind. V raises his hands like a conductor and directs Evey to watch as the Old Bailey blows up and lights the night sky. It's V who set the bombs, in honor of Guy Fawkes, the Catholic vigilante who futilely tried to blow up Parliament on November 5th, 1605. V, in his Fawkes mask, is determined not to fail, vowing that next year, on November 5th, 2020, Parliament will be history.

V sweeps Evey away to his secret lair and shows her his Shadow Gallery, where he keeps forbidden artifacts, such as the Koran, and listens to the Velvet Underground. It's there that she learns of V's brutal history and his reasons for murdering coroner Delia Surridge (a superb Sinead Cusack). V's politicalization of Evey is the film's core. She evades arrest from Finch (a haunted Stephen Rea), the cop on the V case, but not the hands of a hidden tormenter who jails her, shaves her hair (Portman sacrificed her own locks for the role) and pushes her hard to betray V.

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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 06:04 PM
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10. NOPE! You gotta watch it. Iwon't spoil it for ya.
Edited on Mon Oct-09-06 06:08 PM by johnaries
OK, just one little spoiler, when the entire population of London wearing the Guy Fawlkes masks storms the Military holding the defensive ....

I BROKE DOWN AND CRIED....

Ya gotta see it...
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 05:39 PM
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4. "There is something terribly wrong with this country, isn't there?"


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HeeBGBz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 05:47 PM
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6. Did anyone see Boston Legal last week?
I swear Tom Selleck was deliberately making his face look like that mask. I was just wondering if anyone else noticed?
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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 07:22 PM
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13. You may be right. BL is the last "cutting edge" show on TV. nt.
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Red Right and BLUE Donating Member (774 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 06:02 PM
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9. LOVE it. I really need to buy a copy.
Good on ya! :toast:
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 07:22 PM
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12. Bought it already, fly back to Europe on Weds.
Everytime I get homesick, I will watch this movie to remind me why I live where I live right now.
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genie_weenie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 10:44 PM
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15. Good Movie but to bad the Watchowski Brothers ruined V...
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BrewAz Donating Member (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 10:52 PM
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16. Not ruined at all...I thought
They made a great story out of it.

BrewAz
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genie_weenie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 08:59 AM
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17. V would not say
Edited on Tue Oct-10-06 09:02 AM by genie_weenie
Governments should be afraid of their people. He wanted man to move beyond the idea of Rulers and Governments.

It was a great story but it wasn't V. That's all.
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