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BushOut06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 03:17 PM
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Impeach the mother-fucker already
I'm sorry, we simply cannot allow Bush & Cheney to stay in office until '08. We simply cannot leave things to chance. Assuming we win control of Congress, we MUST act. Now that Bush has allowed North Korea to test a nuke, the stakes have gotten extremely high. I fear the very survival of our country could be at risk if Bush is allowed to remain in office. We all know what happens when you corner a dangerous animal. Yet for some reason, Bush feels obsessed with pressuring Kim Jong Il, possibly putting him in a situation where he feels no other option than to strike out. Bush is showing an amazing lack of understanding of the Korean mindset, and the strong need to 'save face'. Kim Jong Il may very well feel like he has no other alternative than to attack or use his remaining nukes.

There is a long laundry list of other reasons why Bush should be removed from office, but for me this one is the most important. While Bush LIED about going to war with Iraq over nuclear weapons, he allowed North Korea to develop them!
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KyndCulture Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 03:19 PM
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1. hear! hear! I agree.
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 03:20 PM
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2. You are Right On
It isn't an overreaction to demand impeachment immediately.... this president is endangering us all.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 03:21 PM
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3. Bush is Immenentizing the Eschaton. n/t
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Autonomy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 09:52 AM
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24. Is there no help for the widow's son? n/t
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 03:21 PM
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4. Impeach the Son of a Bush!
and his little Rove too.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 03:22 PM
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5. that would imply we were still a republic - recommended regardless.
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nam78_two Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 03:23 PM
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6. Hear, Hear!!!
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emald Donating Member (718 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 03:25 PM
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7. no argument here
the sob should already be hanging by his heels in some prison, ready for waterboarding. Bush and his cabal are the only ones I think it should ever be used on. Man, this idiot is a failure, all the way througout his life. He is a fake, a sham, and an idiot. But he is also a criminal and guilty of sedition against the constitution by my measurement. I wonder if we can do a citizens arrest?
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 09:22 AM
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21. we should just make a trip to the WH and throw his ass out.
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 03:29 PM
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8. You'd have to ask Pelosi to resign then.
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Tigress DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 10:57 AM
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28. ??
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schmuls Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 03:29 PM
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9. Thank you for "saying it like it is!!!"
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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 03:40 PM
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10. Are you a Dan Savage fan?
He's awesome and so are you for saying it.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 03:42 PM
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11. Reality check: Impeachment does not equal conviction.
Impeach Bush all you want, unless he is convicted he serves out his term. I cannot understand why so many think that impeaching Bush means he leaves office. If the Dems take control of the House, impeachment will be the easy part. Even taking control of the Senate does not guarantee a conviction without the help of a bunch of Republicans.
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Gwerlain Donating Member (516 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 03:51 PM
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13. Yep- impeachment only means
trial in the Senate- and to convict, a 2/3 supermajority is required. That's more than the majority required for cloture.

It is, however, quite a strong case, if you believe Mr. Conyers. The question being, of course, whether pictures of (baby raping- or choose your own maximally disgusting crime) would be sufficient to convince 1/3 of the Reprehensibles in the Senate to vote to convict. It's a really pertinent question- one would of course require a major stick to get enough of their base to convince them their days in power are numbered if they don't.

I wonder if having all of that base looking at their retirement accounts to see if a certain bank incorporated in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts is mentioned in the ERISA disclosures would do it.
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kay1864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 08:56 AM
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16. Yes indeed.
And since none of us want a President Cheney, it would have to be:

1. Impeach (and convict) Cheney, then
2. Impeach (and convict) Chimpy

Meanwhile, Chimpy would nominate a VP replacement. Said nominee must have Senate *and* House confirmation. Depending on who the nominee is, and (more important) what the Dems would have to do to get 17 of those 49 GOP Senators to vote for conviction, we could see either:

1a. Confirm nominee, who would take Chimpy's place upon conviction.
1b. Drag out nominee confirmation. Dem Speaker of the House (Pelosi? Murtha?) would take Chimpy's place upon conviction.
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civildisoBDence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 12:38 PM
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31. Now you're talkin'!!!
Since we can't just pull the guillotine out of storage, we may as well game the system the way the Republicans have been doing for the last twelve years.

The chance of impeachment (in the House) is excellent--the chance of conviction (in the Senate) is remote.

Newsprism
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kay1864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 12:57 PM
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34. Sad but true
'twill be difficult to convince 17 GOPers to go against the party line. Still:

- Chimpy is an albatross around their necks
- ~16 of them are up for re-election in 2008. They certainly don't want to lose *more* seats.
- Some of them actually listen to their constituents
- Some might actually do their job (Senators are better at this than House members) and in the face of a clear felony like warrantless wire tapping, vote for conviction
- Some have already voted against Chimpy

Then again, it might take a compromise (as another DUer suggested) such as confirming a moderate GOP nominee (McCain, maybe?) and once that nominee takes Chimpy's place, a Dem VP nominee.

Maybe. Who knows...
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 02:53 PM
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35. Since we're "checking" -- Non-Impeachment Equals Complicity
Not to mention direct violation of oath of office.

It's not about the bushkid or successful result, it's about ourselves, our "leaders," and our moral standing with the world, our children, and history.

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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 03:45 PM
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12. Have you seen this site? ITMFA
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corkhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 04:51 PM
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14. "mother-fucker"? why do you hurt my beautiful mind with such a visual
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davekriss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 09:59 AM
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25. Barbara Bush has some reverse Dorian Gray thing going
In a room in the White House sits a portrait of an increasingly beautiful young woman beaming with sweet, gentle compassion and love.
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 06:37 AM
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15. National call: Send in your DIY Impeachment docs Thursday!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~ Impeach For Peace
~
~ DIY Impeachments: Send on Thursday, Tell your friends today...
~ National Action Steps
~ Minnesota Action Steps (See video of our Oct. 5th Protest!)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
DIY Impeachments: Send on Thursday, Tell your friends...

CRITICAL: Email the following announcement to your contact lists...
---
This Thursday, hundreds of thousands of citizens will mail legal documents
to the houses of Congress to initiate formally the impeachment of President
George W. Bush.

To do this, citizens will use a little known and rarely used part of the
Rules of the House of Representatives. This procedure empowers individual
citizens to initiate the impeachment process themselves. Although not well
publicized prior to 2006, the method was discovered by Jodin Morey, an
organizer for the Minneapolis-based group Impeach for Peace.

While researching the Jeffersons Manual, an interpretive guide to
parliamentary procedure included (along with the Constitution) in the bound
volumes of the Rules of the House of Representatives, Morey learned that
there are multiple acceptable methods of bringing impeachment motions to
the floor of the House. An impeachment Memorial, or Do-It-Yourself
Impeachment, is one of these. The process is ratified by each Congress
including the current one and has been updated continuously through the
history of our democracy.

DIY Impeachment has been used successfully before. An 1830 Memorial by Luke
Edward Lawless was successful in initiating the impeachment of Federal
Judge James H. Peck. This Memorial became the template for DIY Impeachment.
After considerable research, Impeach for Peace is now certain that it has a
legal document that U.S. House Speaker Dennis Hastert must recognize.

Any citizen can download the DIY Impeachment Memorial and submit it, making
it possible for Americans to do what our representatives have been
unwilling to do. The idea is for so many people to submit the Memorial that
it cannot be ignored.

DIY Impeachment is part of the law, and legally, Hastert must recognize it.
Another organizer for the group, Mikael Rudolph, explains: He might still
toss them all in the trash, but with House Minority Leader John Conyers
also receiving copies, Hastert can be held accountable by Conyers."

Impeach for Peace is asking everyone to send in the memorials on a single
date, October 12th. Rudolph continues, "Imagine dozens of extra trucks
called into service to deliver tons of mail to Speaker Hastert and
Congressman Conyers in mid to late October. The DIY Impeachment has been
downloaded over 180,000 times.

The expected media attention surrounding the delivery of these memorials is
being timed strategically to influence the November elections. Rudolph
reasons, Its like a legal method for voting outside of the scheduled
polling dates. It is incredibly empowering and awakening for individuals to
learn that they can do this. The constitution provides for both the
electoral process and the impeachment process the latter being necessary
when the elected officials do not honor their oath of office.

According to Rudolph, Impeachment would lead to the ouster of Cheney,
Rice, Rumsfeld and many others, as they are all equally guilty of war
crimes. In an open impeachment trial, the evidence would come out. It isnt
the only way well succeed in impeaching Bush and restoring democracy, but
it is an important avenue.

Be a part of history:
http://impeachforpeace.org/ImpeachNow.html



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emald Donating Member (718 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 09:26 AM
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22. thursday it is
and I'll be doing the mailing. One for my wife as well.
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novalib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 09:09 AM
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17. Impreach/Simpeach!!!
Impeach/Simpeach.

Ho Hum.

The process of impeachment takes time -- and is dependent upon the outcome of the elections AND POLITICS!!!

I SAY WE CANNOT AFFORD TO WAIT two, three, or more months!!

WE MUST GET THEM OUT NOW!!!!!

And that means TAKING TO THE STREETS IN MASS NUMBERS ALL OVER!!

And it means MASSIVE SHUTDOWNS!!

THROW THEM OUT -- NOW!!!!
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 09:13 AM
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18. Impeachment will never ever happen.....
...unless we get out the vote and regain control of at least the house and hopefully the senate too.

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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 09:16 AM
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19. I tend to disagree
I think if we can get a majority in--we can effectively neuter him.
There are many other things that need immediate attention.
Besides--I WANT the stench of Bush to remain in office. We can convict him later.
Seriously--if we force the Republicans to clean up their party--by ousting Bush, Hastert, et al, then all we are doing is allowing them to say that they have fixed their problems and appeal to their base again. Let them rot. Let them ferment. Let's let the Dems show them how to fix things.
While 2006 seems as if Dems might get in the majority, 2008 could be a different story. Americans have short memories.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 09:31 AM
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23. I'm with you all the way
The most recent poll data shows that even though a majority think that investigations of the president's actions would be a good thing, an even larger majority does not think impeachment is warranted. That might change if investigations turned up some new "smooking gun" , but I don't think the public is going to demand impeachment without one.

As the poll data shows, the support for impeaching chimpy is about the same as it was for impeaching Clinton. And remember that the repubs effort at impeaching Clinton ended up costing the repubs seats in the House, something we cannot afford.

http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2006/images/09/08/rel21e.pdf
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BushOut06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 11:39 AM
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29. Impeaching over a blowjob versus impeaching over REAL crimes
In Clinton's case, the public came away with the perception that the impeachment was over a stupid blowjob.

In this case, we need to make the point that Bush has committed real crimes. It's not enough to impeach him because he lied about the war in Iraq. People assume that almost all politicians lie, why impeach him for that? There is a very good case that can be made, we need to make sure that the American people realize this isn't simply political payback for Clinton.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 11:45 AM
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30. I think they knew what was going to go down aaaallll along
Clinton was an interruption in the plan to hand off one Bush regime to another. Clinton's election burned them- bad. Almost everything was in place, and he "ruined" it for them.

I think that's one reason they went and found "grounds" for impeachment. That, andimpeaching Clinton all but guaranteed that the shrub could do pretty much anything he wanted to do, and get away with it: the nation would never tolerate two impeachments in a row.

Impaching Clinton handed the shrub a blank check, and they knew that would be the case going in.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 09:17 AM
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20. if this man was leader in another country his ass would have been
long gone. He is a dangerously stubborn man, all of them have to go.
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John Gauger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 10:09 AM
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26. Not to mention that he is positioning Navy ships for
an invasion of Iran. He has his priorities and they are not affected by reality. I am all for impeaching him. He has committed many crimes against our people and the world. It is of utmost importance that we but John Conyers, Jr. in the chair's seat of the House Judiciary Committee. Once a serious investigation is under way, there will be little to stop impeachment and conviction.
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 12:42 PM
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32. not only impeachment but put firmly behind bars for life
and his mates Rummy and Dick too
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 10:17 AM
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27. Bush purposely desires NK to attack the US. He knows exactly wha he's doin
You give the guy too much credit for being a dumb ass when in essesnce he is blatantly...... AMORAL
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 12:56 PM
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33. Articles of Impeachment
From April. They're still valid.
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