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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 01:14 PM
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North Korea FINALLY acknowledges going Nuclear
so what are the options left to this criminally incompetent US Government?

Go down the Diplomatic route... prove you have a nuke we won't touch you.

Sadly... and I expect to be pounded for this (and Kim jol Il read it very well) the only option is military..

And we do not have a military any longer. That is the truth folks. Bush should be asking for a draft RIGHT NOW... and for military options for the UN Force to enforce the rulings of the security council even if it means crossing the 38th parallel and canceling the truce.

This is the only valid option left now, because they are so incompetent I don't expect it either.

What I do expect is a sino- japanese alliance to strengthen

What I expect is the cancellation of Article 9 of the Japanese Constitution

What I expect is the rise of the nationalist faction of Japan, which I might remind you Abe is a representative off

What I expect is an arms race

What I expect is a second Korean war where the Japanese and the Chinese will take precedence

And for god sakes, I wrote this as part of a fluff for a game in 2002.. perhaps I should send a copy of the game to the US congress, seems I do a far better job of predicting things than US intelligence.
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 01:21 PM
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1. Another "the only option is military" post.
Indeed sad. I'm sorry that you have bought the bullshit. How many Koreans should we kill? Will 100,000 satisfy you? 1,000,000? How many will it take before you feel safe?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 01:26 PM
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2. I have not bought the bulshit
in fact it is ainteresting how the media did NOT push that one from the git go

This is based on a little more knowledge of the area than most

As I said, it is the only option, but not the one to be followed.

Please go ahead and read about the 1930s...

And as to how many we should kill?

Tell you what... we won't... but in five to ten years, the Japanese and the Chinese will.

The specter of soemthing else is startign to take shape in the Western Pacific, and those who forget their history will be surprsied. Those of us who
have not... are just seeing it and shaking our heads.
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 01:39 PM
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5. That you think that North Korea is equivalent to Germany
or Japan in the 30's is truly pathetic. Germany was a first class industrial power capable of posing a military threat equal to any other European nation. Japan was in a similar position with respect to Asia, and was capable of challenging US supremacy in the Pacific. North Korea is nothing of the sort.

Nuclear Weapons are an odd sort of threat. So far only one nuclear armed nation has used these weapons, that would be us, and we did so only when no other nation on earth possessed nuclear weapons. Despite the constant propaganda bullshit that Kim Jong Il is an insane man who will lob nukes across asia and across the pacific, there is no reason to believe that a nuclear North Korea will behave any differently than the rest of the nuclear club. North Korea will not use its weapons unless it faces an existential crisis.

In a ridiculous bit of self-fulfilling prophecy lunacy, you and the rest of the hawks advocate threatening North Korea with just such a crisis, forcing to just such a decision. "Oh look they have nukes, now lets see if we can force them to use them". Brilliant.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 01:49 PM
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7. N. Korea is far from Germany, so don't put words in my mouth
and the Sino Japaneses alliance is following a pattern of alliances going back to the early 20th century. It started two years ago, and if you had paid attention you would have noticed. Now a pattern does not mean it will follow the exact same path... only a fool would believe that.

As to Kim Jol Ill insanity or lack off, he does share CERTAIN behavior behavior patterns with OTHER dictators across the world... and these are personality traits... that can easily be identified by most. If you feel safe with him having the bomb, so be it

His neighbors don't... naturally this will lead at the very least to a regional ARMS RACE, and quite possibly a REGIONAL WAR, why? The n>koreans still see Japan as their natural enemy (Yes it goes back to the 1930s and WW II)

And I did not say flatten, I am not a hawk nor did I say the US alone should do this. Fact is, you are not getting it. We are here because of the STRATEGIC FAILURE of the US under George Bush to deal with this in a way that WOULD HAVE PREVENTED THIS CRISIS. Like all real conflicts, not the idiocy in Iraq, both sides share the responsibility of going down that path.


The other major part of our strategic failure, is that even though the only option left to the bush administration, due to their own diplomatic incompetence, is the one they will not follow. So all those mutual defense pacts will be wroth the ink they were printed on... close to nothing.

But keep calling me a hawk... I expected to be pounded for it. But be clear about this... we are where we are because of the criminally INCOMPETENT anything but Clinton Administration in DC.
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 02:17 PM
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9. Hawk, oh my mistake.
I must have completely misread this:

"Sadly... and I expect to be pounded for this (and Kim jol Il read it very well) the only option is military..

And we do not have a military any longer. That is the truth folks. Bush should be asking for a draft RIGHT NOW... and for military options for the UN Force to enforce the rulings of the security council even if it means crossing the 38th parallel and canceling the truce.

This is the only valid option left now, because they are so incompetent I don't expect it either."

Sorry for misinterpreting your words.

Hawk.
Oops. Sorry again. Maybe the third time I read it I'll find some hidden meaning there.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 02:22 PM
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10. You can call me whatever you want
Edited on Mon Oct-09-06 02:27 PM by nadinbrzezinski
Recognizing a reality does not necessarily mean one aproves of it...
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roamer65 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 01:27 PM
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3. The reason NK tested their "device"
Edited on Mon Oct-09-06 01:28 PM by roamer65
is to try to get bilateral talks with the US. I say we talk with them one on one. Since when is there harm in talking one on one with your enemy? Bush could have a foreign relations coup d'etat by announcing he is flying to Pyongyang to talk directly with Kim Jong Crazy. NK would roll out the red carpet for him if he went. But he's too much of a chickens&*t to do something that gutsy.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 01:31 PM
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4. As yuo said he is too chickenshit
watch, and learn how strategic failures bring down empires. (Not that this will be a good or a bad thing in the overall course of history.. we are on the wy down anyway)
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Justice Is Comin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 01:40 PM
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6. Even Baker said in effect,
you don't keep poking countries in the chest like a big gorilla when you have the same technology you are denying everybody else to have for their own country's survival.

And certainly not when you have turned American historical precedent upside down and invaded a non threatening sovereign nation.

Baker said "you lose nothing when you talk to your enemies. WHAT A CONCEPT !

Only an escaped mental patient madman that we presently have stinking up the White House wouldn't get it.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 01:50 PM
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8. Exactly
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