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charlyvi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 09:49 AM
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This North Korea thing is very bad for shrub.
To put it in it's simplest terms:

Shrub invaded Iraq, a country with no nukes, no serious resistance (at the time we invaded), and fucked it up royally. We are losing the Iraqi war through his utter ineptness. Therefore, how can anyone seriously think this administration can take on a country with nukes and a better than average standing army? Shrub has been hoisted on his own "axis of evil" petard.
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 09:55 AM
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1. these people aren't interested in peace. peace is bad for business.
nothing like things like invasions and terrorism and a nice little nuclear arms race to boost business for the weapons industry...
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 09:58 AM
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3. "In chaos there are more opportunities for excess profit."
-BlueEyedSon '03
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 09:56 AM
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2. I think you're right. Bush's pants have been pulled down, and the
whole world can see he has holes in his underwear.

Where are the troops going to come from to go after North Korea, if he chooses to do so? This is really bad timing, right before the elections, too. War is not popular with Americans, especially after the fiasco in Iraq.

We're stretched to the limit, there's no money, and the big idiot in the White House went after the wrong country, one that was not a threat to us, ignoring the bigger threats: North Korea and Iran.

And chimpy won't even talk to them. How does he expect to reach an understanding if he won't even communicate? We have a bad President in George Bush.
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charlyvi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 10:17 AM
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9. This administration has the strange idea that all countries
should bow down in obedience to us, based on our big ass army and stock of nukes. It's strictly cold war thinking. What good did the size of our army do us in Iraq? When people are willing to blow themselves up for a cause it doesn't matter how big a force you send against them--they will win in the end. Yet diplomacy and mutual respect, the avenues that might help bring the world together, is abhorred by these bozos. It's scary.
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 10:00 AM
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4. "No one could have anticipated NK's desire & ability to obtain a nuke"
And why wouldn't Bushco say this?

It worked like a charm about 9/11, Katrina, Iraq, etc....
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charlyvi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 10:04 AM
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6. I don't think it will work with NK BlueEyedSon
Since NK has been telling us for five years they were going to do it. The whole world knows they were gearing up sin the "axis of evil" speech. And why not? Nukes seem to be the only things that shrub understands.
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 10:07 AM
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7. it was a sarcastic dig at the brazenness of the admin and the gullibility
of the press & the public
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charlyvi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 10:17 AM
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10. Sorry.
I'm old and not too bright sometimes.
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 12:27 PM
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12. No worries, me too!
:hi:
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 10:03 AM
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5. A total failure of Bush's bellicose approach
Clinton used a mixture of carrots and sticks to keep North Korea non-nuclear. Bush figured that the only thing other people understand is force or threats of force, and junked any pretense of rewarding North Korea for good behavior. With no incentive to do the right thing, North Korea re-opened its reactor works in 2003, the one they had closed in 1994 under the Clinton framework. Bush, busy with other considerations in 2003, had to fold when Kim called his bluff.

And now North Korea has apparently tested a nuclear device. There is no way to spin this, pin this, or blame the enemy within this. Now that Bush has an elementary school named for him, the North Koreans should probably name their nuclear reactor for him as well.
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charlyvi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 10:08 AM
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8. Agreed. His "poke a stick at it and see what happens"
Edited on Mon Oct-09-06 10:09 AM by charlyvi
approach to foreign policy is going to get us all killed. I think people are starting to realize this. I think everyone but the hardcore neocon base is scared to death that George W. Bush is the one in charge--his track record is abysmal!
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 10:32 AM
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11. Especially since it's part of the "Not-Clinton" mindset.
His admin came in bound and determined not to continue any of Clinton's policies.
His is the avowed "Not-Clinton" administration.
That's also why they shelved the Hart-Rudman terrorism/national security study commissioned by Clinton.
"Vice-president Cheney will do his OWN study."
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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 12:35 PM
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13. it will take China to contain the threat at this point
why they have tolerated Kim & his dad for 50 years is beyond me. especially in the last 30 years.

but it is clearly beyond the abilities of this government to reign Kim in. obviously.

if ever there was a people who needed liberation, its the NKs. NK is not cool.
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charlyvi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 01:17 PM
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15. Agreed.
They will need to fix this mess in spite of bush.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 12:36 PM
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14. Will it significantly hurt his chances of being re-elected?
:dunce:
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