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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 10:44 AM
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"Did The US Provoke North Korea?"
why yes indeed they did....


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15175633/site/newsweek /

Oct. 16, 2006 issue - On Sept. 19, 2005, North Korea signed a widely heralded denuclearization agreement with the United States, China, Russia, Japan and South Korea. Pyongyang pledged to "abandon all nuclear weapons and existing nuclear programs." In return, Washington agreed that the United States and North Korea would "respect each other's sovereignty, exist peacefully together and take steps to normalize their relations."

Four days later, the U.S. Treasury Department imposed sweeping financial sanctions against North Korea designed to cut off the country's access to the international banking system, branding it a "criminal state" guilty of counterfeiting, money laundering and trafficking in weapons of mass destruction.

The Bush administration says that this sequence of events was a coincidence. Whatever the truth, I found on a recent trip to Pyongyang that North Korean leaders view the financial sanctions as the cutting edge of a calculated effort by dominant elements in the administration to undercut the Sept. 19 accord, squeeze the Kim Jong Il regime and eventually force its collapse. My conversations made clear that North Korea's missile tests in July and its threat last week to conduct a nuclear test explosion at an unspecified date "in the future" were directly provoked by the U.S. sanctions. In North Korean eyes, pressure must be met with pressure to maintain national honor and, hopefully, to jump-start new bilateral negotiations with Washington that could ease the financial squeeze. When I warned against a nuclear test, saying that it would only strengthen opponents of negotiations in Washington, several top officials replied that "soft" tactics had not worked and they had nothing to lose.

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During six hours of intensive give-and-take with Kim Gye Gwan, both in his office and in two one-on-one dinners with only an interpreter present, he said over and over to me, "How can you expect us to return to negotiations when it's clear your administration is paralyzed by divisions between those who hate us and those who want to negotiate seriously? At the very time when we were engaged in such a long dialogue last year, your side was planning for sanctions. Cheney did this to prevent further dialogue that would lead to peaceful coexistence. So many of your leaders, even the president, have talked about regime change. We have concluded that your administration is dysfunctional."


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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 10:46 AM
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1. of course
Edited on Mon Oct-09-06 10:51 AM by seemslikeadream
it's hard work provoking the world! And we've got the guy who likes to work hard


:hi:


BUSH'S PLAN FOR PEACE IS THE PEACE OF THE COMMON GRAVE

EVERY DEATH CREATES NEW ENEMIES

MORE TERRORISTS

MORE DANGER

MORE DEATH

AND REMEMBER...

HE IS JUST GETTING STARTED...

BUSH'S PLAN FOR PEACE

IS THE PEACE OF THE COMMON GRAVE

http://www.bushflash.com/pax.html WATCH THIS VIDEO

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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 10:53 AM
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2. hi SLaD!
very sad photo. :(
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 10:53 AM
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3. Absolutely. I shuddered when that idiot chimp uttered, "Axis of Evil.."
When you call people out like that, they are certain to do whatever they have to do to defend themselves.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 11:01 AM
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4. Of course!
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 11:45 AM
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5. When the whole world see *ss as the real danger and you add
a NK leader who is paranoid then you have problems. Since the rest of the world agrees with the danger from the US can we really blame other countries that choose to go nuclear?
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 01:06 PM
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12. No, but some of those countries are using it for Nuclear
power also, cuz, that oil will not last forever.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 11:48 AM
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6. oh yes, indeed, that "axis of evil" comment did it.
Bush and his stupid ideology.
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 11:50 AM
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7. Thank You for the Link, LeftChick
I just used it in a non-sports thread on a NY Giants message board. Fans seem to be about evenly split. Articles like this make a difference.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 12:07 PM
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9. you are welcome
it is an excellent article.
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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 11:56 AM
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8. Very good article. Thanks K&R
I guess there are two sides to every story
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 12:13 PM
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10. Doesn't take much to provoke ol' Kim.
Cutting off his country's access to the international banking system must have been perceived as a grave threat to his economy and international trade (which amounts to food - mostly gifts -and oil imports from China) and exports of .... if they don't export nuclear weapon technology, I don't know what they export.

I haven't heard anyone argue that NK is not involved in counterfeiting, money laundering, etc. just that we should ignore that because they might be provoked and forced to impoverish their people to devote their spending to nuclear weapons. Was there a faction in the Treasury Department that intentionally timed this to undermine the denuclearization process? Obviously that is possible. It is hard to choose sometimes from among the Bush is a boob, Bush is a master devious strategist, or sometimes government departments do what they are supposed to do.

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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 01:02 PM
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11. "We have concluded that your administration is dysfunctional."
Well Duhhh. You can't negotiate with out and out LIARS.
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