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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 06:20 AM
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Reporter on CNNI Blamed Nuke Test on bush's Lack of NK Policy!
Edited on Mon Oct-09-06 07:12 AM by leftchick
How refreshing! CNN International this morning and this fellow named Mike Chinoy laid it all out there! The lack of a US policy with North Korea, Not engaging them at all over the last six years, The controversial use of "pre-emptive war" on Iraq, and the devastaing use of NK in the Axis of evil. All of it played out over the last few years to result in Korea feeling the need to have a bomb in order to prevent a US premptive strike!

Very interesting.

Here is a bio on Mike... http://www.pacificcouncil.org/interior.aspx?pageID=Expe...



Experience:

Senior Asia Correspondent, CNN, based in Hong Kong, 2001-2006
Responsible for coverage of entire Asia-Pacific region
First journalist to do live broadcast from North Korea
First American TV reporter to interview Kim Il Sung
Only reporter to accompany former Pres. Jimmy Carter to North Korea
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 06:24 AM
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1. This administration has had nothing but failures in foreign policy.
Edited on Mon Oct-09-06 06:26 AM by bowens43
They failed in the spy plane incident with China
They failed with Al Qaeda and the 911 attacks
They failed in the war in Afghanistan
They failed in the war in Iraq
They failed in the Israeli - Palestinian situation
They failed with North Korea
They are failing with Iran
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 06:25 AM
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2. when he came into office the first thing he did was give the finger
to the middle east and North Korea
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dmkinsey Donating Member (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 06:28 AM
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3. Contrast with Cokie Roberts on NPR
who said that the North Korean nuke test could be good for Republicans because it reminds voters about the security/terrorism issue that the GOP owns.
Really. She's an idiot. I can't fathom why they keep running her worthless "analysis"
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 07:34 AM
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10. The Cokie Monster spouts her bullshit again......
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Fuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 06:33 AM
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4. The freepers are blaming Clinton
Surprise, surprise.

:sarcasm:
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 06:35 AM
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5. Not that long ago
I saw a few LTTEs in the Hartford area about how the problems with North Korea were due to Jimmy Carter!
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 06:43 AM
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6. Did you hear the British guy on CNNI?
Edited on Mon Oct-09-06 06:45 AM by lebkuchen
Don't know his name, but he said that NK has an unrealistic and backward view of the US in fearing a US imperialistic attack against NK, and if it were not for NK's political isolation, it would be able to see that its fears of US attack are totally unfounded.

WTF?

The US via Condi has been provoking NK for months as per "axis of evil." NK has seen what has happened to Iraq, and NK leaders knew that Bush knew full well Baghdad never had any WMD. Now the Eisenhower Carrier Strike Group is headed to the Gulf on a "routine" rotational mission, US troop levels have increased in the Middle East, and Bush is about to lose his protective cloak of Congress and needs a dogwag in a bad way.

Because of Bush's actions, Japan is rebuilding its military and NK is testing nukes. October is shaping up to have frightening possibilities. Bush, no less nuts than Kim Jong Il, will do ANYTHING to maintain power. Losing power is not an option.

on edit: I'm sticking w/BBC.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 06:57 AM
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8. Busholinin Regime played Hard Headed.
This could have been avoided.

The Busholini Regime thought that they could bully NK into giving up their Nuke Program. Instead of reaching an accord with NK the Busholini Regime played the tough guy game. NK and SK wanted a settlement and visitation for their people but the US Govt. strong armed SK into stopping that progress. The US Treasury sanctioned NK via banking. Instead of trying to work with NK everything was done to make them more paranoid and angry. Axis of Evil statement drove NK to get Nukes.
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IamyourTVandIownyou Donating Member (446 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 07:48 AM
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11. Cowboy Diplomacy
"Blunt speech may be admired in the United States, Suh noted, but in Asia it is considered rude, threatening and unseemly, especially for a president.

"Bush may be going the right way in policy terms, but I don't applaud him for using this cowboy language in diplomatic circles," Suh said.

In retrospect, the "axis of evil" phrase appears to have caused the most damage to relations with North Korea. Montville said it is ironic, because putting North Korea into the "axis" seems to have been something of an afterthought."

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0121-03.htm
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 11:05 AM
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20. Hi IamyourTVandIownyou!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 01:37 AM
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23. his "blunt speech" is only admired by idiots
the rest of us thinks he sounds like a gibbering moron
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 06:48 AM
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7. Do you mean he blamed the nuke test on Bush's lack of
NK policy?
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 07:11 AM
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9. yes
sorry for the confusion. more coffee....
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:10 AM
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12. Well, DUH!
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:31 AM
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13. This is how fucked up CNN is....
they ran a tape of Mike and misspelled his name as CHINOOK! And he WORKS for them!
omg, they suck so bad.
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Hav Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:37 AM
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14. .
This is the result of voting a complete idiot into the office. That and the other incompetent boobs in this Administration.
America needs the real adults in charge again. Bush was nothing but a failure and the whole world had to pay.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:42 AM
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15. I was watching some of that too leftchick
Edited on Mon Oct-09-06 08:42 AM by shadowknows69
I mean its obvious to anyone with the IQ of a couch but its sad we need foreign reporters to say it.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:46 AM
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17. then I turned to CNN
and had to hear Barbara Starr the War Whore, talking about how the WH is VERY Concerned about NK now sharing this Technology with IRAN! :puke:
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jayfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:45 AM
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16. It's Good They Are Still Running That.
Edited on Mon Oct-09-06 08:46 AM by jayfish
I posted about it last night and wondered how much the tone would change by morning. Looks like they are sticking to their guns (on CNNi at-least)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Jay
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 09:30 AM
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18. dubya has made the world a much more dangerous place
Little cowboy thought he could take on the whole world.
:dem:
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 09:35 AM
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19. It is hard to see what they intended
the Bushies I mean. I think it was to create both a sphere of influence(filled with problems) for China and Japan- PNAC Empire competitors- by ceasing to help them with NK and trying to passively dump it on them. And Bush was too busy and over-committed with his ME checkers game. Victims are supposed to await their turn. The UN was supposed to bless the war and do the occupation dirty work. What hasn't worked is that the world of rivals has not fallen into line with PNAC expectations. Given the blind simplicity of America's course they play both ends, opposing Bush and economic cooperation(getting in close to take over the game when the Big Domino falls). They understand the blunt blackmail of the Bush scheme and work around it easily if not admirably or combatively.

What they deliberately did using the motley fool Bolton: suspend talks, insult them, tried to get SK not to deal, lazily demand multi-national talks, pull back troops from the DMZ and then sending some to
Iraq, ignore all missiles and bombs and tests so they could concentrate on Iran, something only highly unintelligent or sycophantic news organizations would not see for the purposeful hypocrisy it was. Iran, the Israeli "Road-map" and all the other disengaged, inattentive, pull back, insulting, polarization, might all seem part of a vast plan were it not the habitual state of incompetent lunacy of the Unholy Three Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld and their midget avatars. I guess the plan would be simply to forge ahead and ignore setbacks- no matter what- and ignore other commitments and entanglements- even vital ones and if criticized make everyone else get entangled and suffer and dealing with it- hopefully incompetently- if not the US actively spoils progress in any of the problems its growing vacuum leaves in the wake of the Imperial dream. Make others suffer for and to blame for your sins. That is the consistent application of all political and policy moves. That keeps people busy fighting each other while you obtain your focused objectives.

When things don't work it is not unusual for a Big Dominator to bluff ahead retaining confidence of some sort, but Bush/Cheney don't seem to realize the plan is failing on all fronts except the production of misery. The economic blackmail and the frightening fallback of our nuke arsenal keep moving forward as all the petty incompetence topples the agenda. They spend America like a hard luck gambler with a big load of chips.

So what do they(the occupants of the WH) consider their BIG enemy? Those who would simply take the source of their base power, the nuke arsenal, the economy etc, away from them.

America itself is thus the enemy, especially democratic choice, knowledge and dissent. NK and another flies in the ointment are momentary nuisances that can be re-gamed back into the Rovian quantum world view. Without America their plans are raving nonsense, crazies without guns, blowhards without a slave mob to back them up.
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 03:30 PM
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21. Japan and SK continue to ally themselves with the US
against NK, as if such an alliance were to their benefit. The US is not being a good friend to its allies in return. Can't these countries' leaders see that? Rather than Japan's PM restoking his country's war machine, I'd prefer he tell Bush to shut his damn mouth and stop provoking mentally ill countries in the eastern hemisphere.

All UN members should be telling the US govt. the same thing: STFU. Clearly, it's the US that is the problem, as it purposely provokes NK, as it has provoked Iraq, Syria, and Iran, and threatened others, like Pakistan and Afganistan.

I don't understand the UN's pretense, acting like US govt. leaders are playing w/a full deck. There is a world leadership vaccuum, left by the US, and EU countries should be stepping in to fill it, now. They need to dispense with the formalities and start policing its most aggressive member, the US. Germany, in particular, needs to stop playing two ends against the middle. The US has been torturing on German soil, and kidnapping Germans off the street for torture, and the German govt. sits on its hands.

The US media has largely refused to check this administration, same for Congress, and Americans have yet to find their fortitude and protest this regime en masse, as Europeans would have done a long time ago. Hell, the Thai military would have overthrown Bush for his incompetence after 9-11.

What is it about the Bush administration that renders the world (except for NK, since it's next, or second, on the chopping block) hapless in its wake?
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 07:29 PM
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22. SK is put in a hard place
and the people know it, almost ready to kick out their allies who seem to have one foot on the next plane to ME oil and another on their neck every time they try to unify the nation. Now it is only grim policy needs, weathering out the crazy to the North and the crazy in DC, like the environment, losing progress and headed toward catastrophe.
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