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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 05:00 AM
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World Reacts to N.Korea's Nuclear Test Warning
World Reacts to N.Korea's Nuclear Test Warning

"The U.S. defined it as a provocative action and made it clear it will respond together with the international community. U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice told reporters a nuclear test would create a qualitatively different situation on the Korean Peninsula and Washington would have to assess its options"


"Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe said the North Korean announcement is extremely regrettable and warned that a nuclear test would not be tolerated. He added Tokyo will work with the U.S., China and South Korea to respond appropriately"

"Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Liu Jianchao called for cool-headed and disciplined responses from concerned countries. "We also hope that all parties will make the necessary efforts to peacefully resolve their mutual concerns through dialogue and consultation, and not take actions that escalate tensions,

"The UN Security Council called an emergency meeting on Tuesday to discuss what measures to take but failed to reach consensus due to conflicting views among permanent members the U.S., China and France."


World reacts to N Korean move



CHINESE UN ENVOY WANG GUANGYA
"If the six-party talks cannot do anything about it, I don't think the Council is in a to do it."


SOUTH KOREAN UNIFICATION MINISTRY SPOKESMAN YANG CHANG-SEOK
"This poses a grave threat to peace on the Korean peninsula and it will have a decisively negative impact on inter-Korean relations.

"We express deep regret and concern."


RUSSIAN FOREIGN MINISTER SERGEI LAVROV
"We are working with Pyongyang in order that it exercises restraint and in order to prevent hasty steps.


UK FOREIGN OFFICE SPOKESMAN
"A missile test launch would be viewed by the United Kingdom and the rest of the international community as a highly provocative act with serious consequences for the DPRK (North Korea).

China decries "brazen" development

"China, a close ally of North Korea, denounced the claimed test as "brazen" and South Korea said it would respond "sternly."

-snip-

"The DPRK has ignored the widespread opposition of the international community and conducted a nuclear test brazenly on October 9," China's Foreign Ministry said in a statement on its Web site.

The Chinese government is firmly opposed to this, the statement said."
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 05:23 AM
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1. We have heard this all every time a country gets the bomb.
I have never figured out what we can do about an arms race but try to talk our way out. I fear Bush will not do that. He seems to say that they must do as he want before he will talk. That is one odd way to go about it if you ask me? I am sure he will screw this up as his history tells me he does with every thing.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 05:44 AM
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2. I don't think Bush will talk either
He'll bluster and chomp at the bit...and escalate matters.

Someone would have to convince Bush that he should give the appearance of talking, while gaining the the appearance of the upper-hand - Bush enjoys looking as if he's in charge and that any resolution to a problem was his doing.(never mind he creates much of those problems to begin with with his actions and words)

Bush wants "face" without ever giving "face". His "with us or against us" mentality doesn't allow for it.

Course,Bush likes matters to be escalated...gives him an excuse to enact draconian measures at home.
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 06:22 AM
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3. We do not need an un-sure man in the WH and I do not think
Bush knows what he is doing. This is really way over his pay scale and their is so many trying to grab power around him that I do not see any hope in this. They need and we need some one who can be a leader. A man playing at this job sucks.
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 06:28 AM
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4. War all over would not shock me. Maybe China will help
Bush has made a mess of things. He is like the old Kaiser who just egged all of Europe along with his endless ego trips and war like ways. This is just crazy and my guess is that the far right will think war a good thing.
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:21 AM
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15. What Kim has to worry about is that China "might" agree to help.
If China wants to do something about Kim, he is a goner. NK gets all of its oil and most of its food from China. China wouldn't have to do anything other than turn those spigots off and NK can't even feed itself. The US can't do anything, and wouldn't have to , if China turns on the Kim regime.

UN or other Western sanctions will never work, since Kim doesn't care if his people eat or not and that would be a humanitarian and public relations disaster. China might be able to implement sanctions, since there since the media would have a hard time accessing the humanitarian disaster.
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 03:33 PM
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16. My thoughts are China is not interested in war now. Why?
It will get more later on when it becomes more powerful and the one they want to move ahead of may spend them self into a place where war may not be a thing they need to worry about. China seems to have a long range plan. I think they will wait on us but I do think they may do something about Korea unless they can get us to spend our men and money on doing it for them. It will not be the first time countries have sat around and let others do their dirty work and with a man like Bush and his ego I do not think he would even think he is being used. The hero complex seems to drive him. I am not sure that is the right word but it seems to be a love of wanting to be thought of saving us all in a very screwed up way. Mixed in with this feeling he was born to rule.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 06:32 AM
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5. He doesn't know - he only knows how to react to get his way
and that doesn't serve a country or it's people well.

Bush isn't about running a country. I have never believed that actually being a President was his aim.. but rather a case of, using the office of President to achieve his aims.
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 06:37 AM
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6. Those aims are what worry me. They are his not ours.
He seems to have missed the point that he is President of all the people and that means people who do not vote for him and their rights must also be protected. It is the meaning of the Constitutions and why the govt. was formed in the first place. I hear a different view from Bush and his backers.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 06:44 AM
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7. They worry me too
They should worry everyone.

If I were to judge Bush as President by the usual standards, I'd call him incompetent...however, as I do not see Bush as giving a good damn about being President for the betterment of the country, so much as using the office of President to set his own agenda, I have to call him very competent.

He's screwing up the country and making the world a more dangerous place...but he's still achieving what he truly wants: his cronies are richer, changing laws that will further expand the wealth of his cronies even after he is out of office, promoting a cultural divide that favors a controlling way of thinking. The status quo can't be maintained unless the people are contained.

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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:07 AM
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13. To rule by the elite seems to be a real belief with this group
This type of thinking has been around a long time and our founders even made blacks part of one person and only men and property people could vote. We have moved on from this but that still stays in many peoples mind. Noblesse oblige
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:21 AM
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14. I think that belief is dearer to them above all else
Edited on Mon Oct-09-06 08:23 AM by Solly Mack
Their world just doesn't work without that belief.

The so-called "common" folk..people like me...have moved on throughout the ages, rejecting the "Divine Rights" manifesto...but for people like Bush, it's their holy grail.

edit to add a link to a thread by undergroundpanther that addresses this
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 03:56 PM
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17. I personally would love to see some of the guys from some
other colleges. They are all getting to be the same and think the same. We need some new talent in our govt. and soon.
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 06:45 AM
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8. Time for this stupid administration to hire a diplomat
Condi and Bolton are proven to not work. Rummy started the whole Iraq fiasco 20 years ago.
:nuke:
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 06:45 AM
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9. Don't forget, NK has stated the US has no monopoly on preempive action
And the US hasn't used nuclear bombs (yet). Let's hope we never do.

There aren't too many inferences one can draw, regarding N Korea and their little nuke test. Except they will definitely act out of fear against the US at the earliest opportunity.

Given what's been happening, I believe N Korea will do ANYTHING to exterminate us all if given the opportunity. You bet I'm worried.

And when the Chinese and S Koreans are worried about N Korea having nukes, you know it's far bigger than political rhetoric.
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 06:49 AM
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10. I don't see them doing anything but bluster
Using nukes is foolish by anyone on the planet and will surely backfire badly.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 06:51 AM
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11. Sleep Tight America...Bolton's On The Job...
So China wants to punt this to the U.N...and so do the others...and methinks its to shove this in Bolton & Rice's face as they're the ones who provoked this situation and have thrown wrenches into every attempt to have serious negotiations or to provide any back-up to our "allies" who may be able to mediate with Pynongyang.

China stands to lose alot with a Nuclear Korea...just like we would if Mexico or Cuba would get the bomb. Besides the outside chance of a military strike that would be right on their doorstep, any nuclear accident in a country that can barely keep the lights on is a frightening thought. A nuclear accident could easily spill across the Yalu River and kill millions of Chinese.

Thanks to this regime's inept dealing with not just Korea, but China, China now has no obligation to consult or negotiate with us...or Japan or South Korea for that matter and I could see them open up their own channels to Pyongyang shutting out the U.S. altogether.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 07:02 AM
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12. If Bolton on the job doesn't give a person pause
Nothing will

A rabid dog doesn't make for a good diplomat

but then that was never Bolton's "real" job...to be a diplomat
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