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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 08:18 PM
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Hompsexualtiy and Pedophillia comparision is BUNK!
As they always do when something becomes fucked up in the Repuke part they pass the buck and blame everyone else. Its never their fault is the Gay Communityoes Fault or those damn Atheist, any miniority group is a scapegoat for the ball-less party of bible thumping idiotits who use their socalled 'faith' as their dominist weapon of choice. Well, they are still clusless sorry ass fuck ups and I have reseached my limit with the likes of Tony Perkins and others from the MegaChurch relam of Monronville.

Taking Foley's pedophillia and hearing Tony Perkins blame Foley's taste for tender boys on the GAY Communnity, here is what some of these self rightgous asshat cultist have said:

Blame Tolerance and Diversity!
"It's outrageous, it's shocking. But it shouldn't be totally surprising when we hold up tolerance and diversity as the guidepost for public life this is what you end up getting."
-- Tony Perkins, President, Family Research Council

Blame the Homosexuals!
"But neither party seems likely to address the real issue, which is the link between homosexuality and child sexual abuse."
-- Tony Perkins, President, Family Research Council

Blame the Left!
The Foley revelations are "an attempt to discourage Christian conservative voters and to get some percentage of them to stay home so that the Left can retake the United States Senate and the United States House."
-- Gary Bauer, Chairman, Campaign for Working Families

Blame....Planned Parenthood?
"There is never an acceptable excuse or rationale for the type of deviant behavior former Congressman Mark Foley has admitted to. Homosexuality is every bit a part of the culture of death as is abortion and contraception. Not surprisingly, Foley was an ardent supporter of both, representing the interests of Planned Parenthood 64 percent of the time thus far in 2006."
-- Human Life International

The Repiglican Party is the party of the WEAK and COWARDLY! So brave they claim to be for fighting 'the war on terror', but when it comes to taking the blame for their party members ways they scatter and pass the buck. Everytime they fuck up its always the Lefts fault, we can live without this poor excuse for a party, they all need to resign as far as I am concerned. Since Repukes has been in 'contol' they have managed to set us back about 20 years.

Here is something quite relative to this comparison of Homosexuality and pedophillia:
Date sent: Mon, 5 Jun 1995 11:00:39 -0700 (PDT)

The following is excerpted from "Myths about sexual orientation: A lawyer's
guide to social science research" by G.M. Herek, which appeared in the journal
Law and Sexuality, 1991, v. 1, pp. 133-172. Some references have been
deleted; see the original article for the full reference list.

Copyright <169> 1991 by Law & Sexuality: A Review of Lesbian and Gay Legal
Issues (Tulane Law School, New Orleans).


Myth #4: Homosexuals are more likely than heterosexuals to molest children

Gay people often have been accused of preying on children. This is a
manifestation of a general cultural tendency to portray disliked minority
groups (e.g., Jews, Blacks) as threats to the dominant society's most
vulnerable members. When Anita Bryant campaigned successfully in 1977 to
repeal a Dade County (FL) ordinance prohibiting anti-gay discrimination, she
named her organization "Save Our Children," and warned that "a particularly
deviant-minded tea cher could sexually molest children." The number of
Americans who believe the accusation that gay men and women are child
molesters appears to be decreasing. Gallup poll data show that 42% of
Americans now would allow gay people to be elementary school teachers,
compared to 27% in 1977 (Colasanto, 1989). Nevertheless, many of the
remaining 58% probably continue to accept the stereotype.

When evaluating empirical research on child molestation, sampling issues
and problems of terminology must be c onsidered. Societal condemnation of and
criminal penalties for child molestation intensify the difficulties usually
encountered in attempting to draw representative samples of sexual
minorities. Most empirical studies have been conducted with convicted
perpetrators, thereby excluding those who were not prosecuted or convicted.
Consequently, we must rely on available data while recognizing that, because
of its sampling biases, the results do not necessarily reflect societal

A second problem in evaluating empirical research on child molestation
concerns terminology. Sexual abuse of male children by adult men is often
referred to as "homosexual molestation," which implies that the perpetrator is
himself gay or has a homosexual orientation. Usually, however, the adjectives
"homosexual" and "heterosexual" refer to the victim's gender in relation to
that of the perpetrator, not to the latter's sexual orientation. For example,
Fisher (1969; Fisher & Howell, 1970) assessed the psychological needs of 50
"homosexual pedophiliacs" (who were categorized as such because they had been
convicted of a sexual offense against male children and no offenses against
female children) and 100 "heterosexual pedophiliacs" (who had been convicted
of a sexual offense against female children). However, no information was
provided about the offenders' adult sexual orientation or behavior.
Similarly, Marshall (1988) referred to the males in his sample who molested
boys as "homosexual molesters" (p. 273). In a personal communication to this
author, Marshall reported that only three of the seven men in his sample who
had molested boys could be considered gay or homosexual; the other four had
been heterosexually married. All of the 14 men who molested young girls were
considered by Marshall to have a heterosexual orientation.

The distinction between gender of victim and sexual orientation of
perpetrator is important because many child molesters have never developed the
capacity for mature sexual relatio nships with other adults, either men or
women. Recognizing this, Finkelhor and Araji (1986) proposed that discussions
of the sexual attractions of perpetrators should be conceptualized along a
continuum ranging in degrees from exclusive interest in children to exclusive
interest in adult partners. Similarly, Groth and Birnbaum (1978) categorized
child molesters as either fixated or regressed (see also Groth, Hobson, &
Gary, 1982). Fixation was defined as "a temporary or permanent arrestment of
psychological maturation resulting from unresolved formative issues which
persist and underlie the organization of subsequent phases of development"
(Groth & Birnbaum, 1978, p. 176); fixated offenders never developed an adult
sexual orientation. Regression was defined as "a temporary or permanent
appearance of primitive behavior after more mature forms of expression had
been attained, regardless of whether the immature behavior was actually
manifested earlier in the individual's development" (p. 177). Regressed
molesters can be adult homosexuals, heterosexuals, or bisexuals; what is
important is that they report sexual relationships with other adults, whether
men or women. In a sample of 175 adult males who were convicted in
Massachusetts of sexual assault against a child, Groth and Birnbaum (1978)
found that none had an exclusively homosexual adult sexual orientation. A
plurality of the men (83 or 47%) were classified as "fixated;" 70 others
(40%) were classified as regressed adult heterosexuals; the remaining 22 (13%)
were classified as regressed adult bisexuals. Of the last group, Groth and
Birnbaum observed that "in their adult relationships they engaged in sex on
occasion with men as well as with women. However, in no case did this
attraction to men exceed their preference for women....There were no men who
were primarily sexually attracted to other adult males..." (p.180).

Failing to distinguish between an offender's sexual orientation and the
gender of his victim can lead to overestimation of the proportion of gay men
among the population of child molesters. For example, Cameron (1985)
purported to review published data to answer the question, "Do those who
commit homosexual acts disproportionately incorporate children into their
sexual practices?" (p. 1227). He concluded that "at least one- third of the
sexual attacks upon youth are homosexual" (p. 1228) and that "those who are
bi- to homosexual are proportionately much more apt to molest youth" than are
heterosexuals (p. 1231). Cameron, however, assumed that all male-male
molestations were committed by homosexuals. A subsequent paper by Cameron and
others (Cameron, Proctor, Coburn, Forde, Larson, & Cameron, 1986) described
data collected in a door-to-door survey in seven U.S. cities and towns, and
generally repeated the conclusions reached in Cameron (1985). As before,
male-male sexual assaults were referred to as "homosexual" molestations (e.g.,
Abstract, p.327) and the perpetrators' sexual orientation apparently was not a
ssessed. Such confusions can affect subsequent research. Cameron's (1985)
equation of same-sex molestation with an adult homosexual orientation appears
to have led Freund et al. (1989) to study why "the proportion of sex offenders
against male children among homosexual men is substantially larger than the
proportion of sex offenders against female children among heterosexual men"
(p.115). However, Freund and his colleagues failed to find greater sexual
arousal among gay men (in their terminology, "and rophiles") when they were
shown visual images of young males than among heterosexual men ("gynephiles")
when they were shown visual images of young females.

Recognizing the many problems created by the lack of representative
samples and ambiguous terminology, we can critically evaluate the empirical
research relating to adult sexual orientation and molestation of children. In
this process, we must search for consistent trends in the results of empirical
studies that have adequately assessed and reported the sexual orientation of
perpetrators. It appears from these studies that gay men are no more likely
than heterosexual men to molest children (for an earlier review, see Newton,


1. Sexual abuse by women appears to be relatively rare. When it occurs, it
typically involves a female accomplice who assists a perpetrator in procuring
victims or, occasionally, a woman who seduces a young male. Consequently, the
child molester stereotype is applied more often to gay men than to lesbians.

2. This assumption is puzzling in that it suggests inattention by the author
to the literature he himself claimed to have reviewed. For example, he cited
the Groth and Birnbaum (1978) study as evidencing a 3:2 ratio of
"heterosexual" (i.e., female victim) to "homosexual" (i.e., male victim)
molestations, and notes that "54% of all the molestations in this study were
performed by bisexual or homosexual practitioners" (p. 1231). As already
noted, however, Groth and Birnbaum (1978) reported that none of the men in
their sample had an exclusively homosexual adult sexual orientation, and that
none of the 22 bisexual men were more attracted to adult ma les than to adult
females. Cameron's 54% statistic does not appear anywhere in the Groth and
Birnbaum (1978) article, nor does Cameron explain its derivation. It also is
noteworthy that, although Cameron (1985) assumed that all male-male
molestations were committed by homosexuals, he assumed that not all
male-female molestations were committed by heterosexuals. He incorporated a
"bisexual correction" (p. 1231) into his data manipulations to increase
further his estimate of the risk posed to children by homosexual/bisexual
men. In the latter half of his paper, Cameron (1985) considered whether
"homosexual teachers have more frequent sexual interaction with their pupils"
(p. 1231). Based on 30 instances of sexual contact between a teacher and
pupil reported in ten different sources published between 1920 and 1982,
Cameron concluded that "a pupil would appear about 90 times more likely to be
sexually assaulted by a homosexual practitioner" (p. 1232); the ratio rose to
100 times when Cameron added his bisexual correction. This ratio is
meaningless because no data were obtained concerning the actual sexual
orientation of the teachers involved; as before, Cameron assumed that
male-male contacts were perpetrated by homosexuals. Further, Cameron's
rationale for selecting particular sources appears to have been entirely
idiosyncratic. He described no systematic method for reviewing the
literature, and appears not to have reviewed the voluminous literature on the
sexual development of children and adolescents. His final choice of sources
appears to have slanted his findings toward what Cameron described as "the
relative absence in the scientific literature of heterosexual teacher-pupil
sexual events coupled with persistent, albeit infrequent, homosexual
teacher-pupil sexual interactions" (p. 1232).

3. This study also suffers from severe methodological problems: The sampling
methods were not adequately described; the representativeness of the sample is
highly doubtful; the locations for dat a collection (Omaha , Los Angeles
, Denver , Washington , Louisville , Bennett , and
Rochester ) appear to have been selected solely on the basis of
convenience (see Brown & Cole, 1985, for a detailed critique). Additionally,
the response rate appears to have been unacceptably low, so that their sample
does not permit generalizations from the data to any larger population (Herek,
1991, note #10).

4. During the mid-1980s, Paul Cameron was labeled in the gay press as "th e
most dangerous antigay voice in the United States today" (Walter, 1985, p.28;
see also Fettner, 1985). In 1984, all members of the American Psychological
Association received official written notice that "Paul Cameron (Nebraska) was
dropped from membership for a violation of the Preamble to the Ethical
Principles of Psychologists" on December 2, 1983, by the APA Board of
Directors ("Notice: Persons dropped from membership," 1984). At its
membership meeting on October 19, 1984, the Nebraska Psycholo gical
Association adopted a resolution stating that it "formally disassociates
itself from the representations and interpretations of scientific literature
offered by Dr. Paul Cameron in his writings and public statements on
sexuality" (Nebraska Psychological Association, 1984). In 1985, the American
Sociological Association adopted a resolution which included the assertion
that "Dr. Paul Cameron has consistently misinterpreted and misrepresented
sociological research on sexuality, homosexuality, and lesbianism" ("Sociology
group criticizes work of Paul Cameron," 1985). Cameron's credibility was also
questioned outside of academia. In his written opinion in Baker v. Wade
(1985), Judge Buchmeyer of the U.S. District Court of Dallas referred to
"Cameron's sworn statement that 'homosexuals abuse children at a
proportionately greater incident than do heterosexuals,'" and concluded that
"Dr. Paul Cameron...has himself made misrepresentations to this Court" and
that "There has been no fraud or misrepres entations except by Dr. Cameron"

5. This is not to suggest that molestations of children by adult homosexual
men never occur. For example, Erickson, Walbek, & Seely (1988) reported that
86% of the men in their sample who had molested males under age 14 described
themselves as homosexual or bisexual. Unfortunately, Erickson et al. did not
report the actual number associated with this percentage (based on their data,
the number appears to be approximately 54 out of 229 child molesters st udied,
or 24%). Nor did they differentiate homosexual from bisexual men, or report
how many of the so-called homosexual men were heterosexually married (although
some apparently were, based on the authors' other comments). Of critical
importance is the fact that the authors did not determine if the self-
reported homosexual and bisexual men were involved in homosexual relationships
with adults of the same sex, or whether the self-applied labels were used to
describe the gender of their under-age victi ms (in Groth and Birnbaum's
<1978> terminology, whether they were fixated).


Baker v. Wade, 106 Federal Rules Decisions 526 (N.D. Texas, 1985).

Brown, R.D., & Cole, J.K. (1985). Letter to the Editor. Nebraska Medical
Journal, 70, 410-414.

Cameron, P. (1985). Homosexual molestation of children/sexual interaction of
teacher and pupil. Psychological Reports, 57, 1227-1236.

Cameron, P., Proctor, K., Coburn, W., Forde, N., Larson, H., & Cameron, K.
(1986). Child molestation and homosexuality. Psychological Reports, 58,

Colasanto, D. (1989, October 25). Gay rights support has grown since 1982,
Gallup poll finds. San Francisco Chronicle, p.A21.

Erickson, W.D., Walbek, N.H., & Seely, R.K. (1988). Behavior patterns of
child molesters. Archives of Sexual Behavior, 17 (1), 77-86.

Fettner, A.G. (1985, September 23). The evil that men do. New York Native,
pp. 23-24.

Finkelhor, D., & Araji, S. (1986). Explanations of pedophilia: A four factor
model. J ournal of Sex Research, 22 (2), 145-161.

Fisher, G. (1969). Psychological needs of heterosexual pedophiliacs.
Diseases of the Nervous System, 30, 419-421.

Fisher, G., & Howell, L.M. (1970). Psychological needs of homosexual
pedophiliacs. Diseases of the Nervous System, 31, 623-625.

Freund, K., Watson, R., & Rienzo, D. (1989). Heterosexuality, homosexuality,
and erotic age preference. Journal of Sex Research, 26 (1), 107-117.

Groth, A.N., & Birnbaum, H.J. (1978). Adult sexual orienta tion and
attraction to underage persons. Archives of Sexual Behavior, 7 (3), 175-181.

Groth, A.N., Hobson, W.F., & Gary, T.S. (1982). The child molester: Clinical
observations. Journal of Social Work and Human Sexuality, 1 (1/2), 129-144.

Herek, G.M. (1991). Stigma, prejudice, and violence against lesbians and gay
men. In J. Gonsiorek & J. Weinrich (Eds.), Homosexuality: Research
implications for public policy (pp. 60-80). Newbury Park, CA: Sage.

Marshall, W.L. (1988). The use of sexually explicit stimuli by rapists, child
molesters, and nonoffenders. Journal of Sex Research, 25 (2), 267-288.

Nebraska Psychological Association. (1984, October 19). Resolution. Minutes
of the Nebraska Psychological Association. Omaha: Author.

Newton, D.E. (1978). Homosexual behavior and child molestation: A review of
the evidence. Adolescence, 13, 29-43.

Notice: Persons dropped from membership in the American Psychological
Association. (1984). Internal communication from APA to all member s.

Sociology group criticizes work of Paul Cameron. (1985, September 10).
Lincoln (NE) Star.

Walter, D. (1985, October 29). Paul Cameron. The Advocate, pp. 28-33.

AUTHOR'S NOTE: Since this article appeared in 1991, another relevant paper has
been published. See: Jenny et al. (1994). Are children at risk for sexual
abuse by homosexuals? Pediatrics, v. 94 #1, pp. 41-44. (with accompanying
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 08:20 PM
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1. Buggering little boys is all about power
and lord knows.. republicans have a few power issues.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 08:23 PM
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2. Justice is lost... justice is raped.... justice is gone!
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 08:27 PM
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3. You might want to edit your subject line. nt
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 08:32 PM
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4. Hompsexualtiy - sex with camels?
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 08:34 PM
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5. *must not make racist comment about mid-easterners*
*must not make racist comment about mid-easterners*
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 01:22 AM
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6. Yeah, I just saw that...I am such a tard....My bad:
But hey, unlike Foley I can claim my mistakes.
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 01:23 AM
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7. Too late...nt
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