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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 02:15 PM
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The Ultimate Plot Theory:
O.K. Here goes:

The fact of the matter is that Woodward, as a 'former' CIA operative, has been utilized for decades to guide the path of this country in the direction in which it is intended to go. Those of us politically active in the Watergate era recall that rather than flailing and getting dead-ended, he was fed information by insiders, one of whom he popularized as Deep Throat. This was really a euphemism for several who sought to bring down the Nixon Presidency. Dean was a plant as well and the Administration was destroyed by the real cancer growing within. Dean had mentioned that there was a cancer growing within the Presidency and people often believe that he was referring to Haldeman (who was gay, BTW - his son wrote that revealing article in the NYT magazine some years ago)and Ehrlichman et al. He wasn't - he was talking about those who were positioned to remove Nixon and pave the way for the real puppets.

Woodward allowed himself to become extraoridinarily wealthy and powerful, writing books and rising to impossibly powerful journalistic heights, but his master stroke was writing the two positive tomes on the Bush Jr. administration. It was a double fake right, fake right, go left maneuver. his recent interviews caught them with their pants down. Who would have considered that beating the daylights out of a CIA operative named Valerie would have such consequences? Well, many of us did over here and were wondering when they'd do the job on the Administration for destroying one of their own. Woodward once again is the messenger of destruction.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, this crowd of elected folks who were chock full of fatal, blackmailable flaws, tripped up in the one way that they really can't spin. Rape, even murder, are explainable or even excusable, ask a certain MSNBC host how he beat the rap, both personally and professionally, but pedophilia is the one taboo which transcends all arguments. Many have called this crowd a Teflon Group, but as many have noted before, when Teflon scratches, then everything sticks to it. Now, everyone who's anyone is looking very carefully at each of these GOPers and trying to figure out if they're gay, or worse, have 'short eyes'. The beauty of the execution of this plot is that what shall bring down this crowd is not the Left, but the Right. That was the ultimate Kronsteen-like trick (see: From Russia With Love).

There's lots more, but I believe that many of the political plots of the last few years have been taken directly from the existing literature written by Clancy, LeCarre, Fleming, and others. In answer to Condi's question (pararphrased), "Who would have expected jetliners to be used as weapons?", Tom Clancy's I would say, since he based two whole long novels upon that scenario. There's been a literary basis for all these goings-on and I do believe that we have not read the final chapter in this particular novella. Stay tuned.
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 02:29 PM
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1. Woodward represents Armed Forces interests not CIA
I never saw any evidence of CIA employment although clearly he was a top intelligence briefer for the JCS. He supported the war effort until it became crystal clear that the current leadership don't know what they are doing. Military defeat can be laid at the feet of political leadership. The generals don't want it. His former books on the administration were propaganda pure and simple. The worm has turned. Clearly powerful interests are wanting to disengage.

Your observations about his watergate role are spot on. The CIA is a rudderless tool at this point.
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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 02:39 PM
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2. I acknowledge the record as you explained it however,
at the time, there was some fair discussion as to whom Woodward had true allegiance. Many felt that it was the 'group' who had no name, but used the CIA at the time to 'execute' its policies. Fact of the matter is that there are many in these groups who are, in many senses of the word, patriots, and are rushing to the nation's 'defense'. The last straw may be this most recent abrogation of the Constitution. Weirdly, it is imperative that the frameworks be kept intact for the country to operate in the most optimal fashion.

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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 02:59 PM
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3. I agree with your underlying point
There are powerful interests trying to put the brakes on. Woodward speaks for them. The timing of loss of the news cycle is not a coincidence. Most of these disclosures could have been made at any time. Also, the media is picking them up. They don't have to. A reversal in fortunes is literally on the way.

One scenario that I contemplate is the perspective of the superwealthy presiding over an illegitimate state where the people are crushed economically. Wouldn't it be better to tell the public "well, at least you live in a free country." Then there is no political rationale for demonstrations of angry, hungry, unemployed people with no healthcare against the established order.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 03:07 PM
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4. Interesting
I was just saying to my husband a few minutes ago that maybe Woodward's other books on the administration were flattering so he would be more trusted by the administration insiders and thus learn more damaging information. I guess I'm not the only one thinking this way.
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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 03:31 PM
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5. What I find most interesting
is that Americans eat up involved spy thrillers whose plots are so elaborate that you need a scorecard, but when faced with remarkable events occurring in real life, they instantly shrug their shoulders and say: lone nut, or: chance event, or: no once could have figured that THAT would happen...

Weird, isn't it?
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 04:00 PM
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6. It must be a "crazy coincidence"-until the outliers become the central
distribution tendency of events-thanks for mentioning the programmed internalization of a syllogism that proceeds along the lines of "there are never coups/ conspiracies in our Homeland, just crazy lone nuts and copycats, you can trust the experts that safeguard our freedom..."
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