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doctor_garth Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:38 PM
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gosh the amount of gay bashing on DU disguised as GOP bashing!
Edited on Sun Oct-08-06 12:49 PM by doctor_garth
It is shocking the amount of gay bashing on the thread below (and others I'm sure) disguised as Republican bashing.

Words like 'sick', 'disgusting', 'pederast', 'pedophile', 'predator'.

Men in their 40s and 50s have sex with guys in their 20s all the time, it's legal and it's normal by any psychological standard, as long as the parties are adults and consenting. Some older men are attracted to younger men and the opposite is also true.

I say just don't be a hypocrite, anti-gay tight-ass Republican and co-chairman of the Congressional Missing and Exploited Children's Caucus. The same Republicans who condemn gays for wanting to get married. I condemn Foley and the GOP for that, for the hypocrisy.

Also, DU needs a reality check about Clinton. I was livid when Republicans impeached him for that (scumbag Henry Hyde confessed later that it was to revenge Nixon), but Clinton was married, which Foley isn't, and Clinton did break the law, which Foley didn't. Clinton lied under oath. (Bush has lied under oath many times too, but Republican obviously look the other way).

Marlene Dietrich once said: Americans are obsessed with sex, Europeans do it. The world is laughing at the US once again, as it did during Monica. This country needs therapy. No wonder 95% of serial killers live here.

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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:40 PM
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1. Do you think it was ok for Foley to send sexually explicit emails
to pages that were minors?

:shrug:

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doctor_garth Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:41 PM
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4. 16 is the legal age in DC n/t
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:43 PM
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Regardless. It is a form of sexual harassment that occurs in the
workplace and it is wrong. WRONG.

If it weren't the big deal you are implying, why did Foley resign so quickly and enter treatment for his 'addiction'?
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:44 PM
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11. So you support 53 year old men trying to have sex with 16 year old kids?
Interesting.

Don
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doctor_garth Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:54 PM
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39. what I support has nothing to do with it
it's what the law says. 16 is the legal age for sex in DC. Period.

And there wasn't even sex. You don't like the law, change it.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 01:37 PM
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86. Whether he is a predator in the eyes of the law is immaterial
to your argument.

You are claiming that people call him a predator and pederast because he's is homosexual. Until you can prove that claim, you're just puffing up your chest nonsensically. Here's one way to demonstrate it: Find a thread on DU where people excuse the SAME behavior with respect to a heterosexual version of it (52+ year old man with a 16 year old "woman."). If you can do that, I'd be happy to agree with you.
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:44 PM
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15. Until you are 18 you are a minor
even if the legal age of consent is 16.

You can't even legally enter into a contract until you are 18.

By the way, sending sexually explicit emails to 16 year olds is repugunant and wrong, regardless of whether it's heterosexual or homosexual.

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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:45 PM
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17. I totally agree. It is BEYOND wrong to send those to a CHILD
I have a 16yo and she is a CHILD, regardless of the body in which she lives.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:48 PM
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26. And it's 18 in Florida
Which is where the original email was transmitted from. You're helping spin for Republicans.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 01:01 PM
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52. You're defending this? Please enlighten us.
Tell us why it is okay for a man who is 52 years old to stalk a sixteen year-old while simultaneously being co-chairman of the Congressional Missing and Exploited Children's Caucus.

I can't wait to read your explanation.

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Rockstone Donating Member (633 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:40 PM
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2. You are right
there is a line there that is being blurred at this time.

Many of us are eager to see damage done to the GOP and that may override our proper consideration of the political correctness of some of our posts.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:43 PM
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:47 PM
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21. None of the examples he/she gave have any "gay bashing" in them
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:56 PM
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43. A better term for "political correctness" is "bullshit GOP talking point."
:rofl:
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gollygee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:40 PM
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3. This particular kid was 21
but the other kids I've heard talk about were 15 and 16.
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doctor_garth Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:44 PM
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12. not 15 buddy
unless you have a link.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:46 PM
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:47 PM
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22. Do you send a lot of emails about masturbation to 16 year olds?
If not, and if the question offends you, then you have your answer.

Cheers!
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:41 PM
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5. Thank you! I agree.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:41 PM
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6. Here we go...
:eyes:
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:42 PM
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7. It's the predatory behavior people have a problem with, not
whether or not he is gay. Get a grip.
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democraticinsurgent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:50 PM
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30. yes, but many many posts are slipping into gay bashing
I applaud the OP for bringing this up. This country is in the grip of major sexual repression.

There's no defense for Foley or the cover-up. Period, end of story.

But, there's plenty of defense for gay consenting adults, including Republicans. I think that any gay person who's also Republican is living in denial, but I wouldn't condemn them for being gay.

I would charge them of undermining their own cause.

On one level, I would enjoy exposing hypocrisy among those closeted Republicans who champion bans on gay marriage, etc. On another, my heart breaks for anyone who feels they have live secret lives to be who they are, even if they are hypocrites.

All of us must come to the realization that there's a little (or a lot) of bisexuality in each of us. Tolerance for all types of lifestyles is the appropriate thing, especially for the big tent of the Democrats, right?
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:53 PM
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36. Dude, the OP
has another agenda. Read the whole thread.

And, plus NO real DUer is a gay basher. The ones who are bashing gays are trolls.
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:58 PM
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48. I'm a total queer and there is nothing to applaud the OP for.
Re-read the whole thread.
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:59 PM
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50. Haruka, you kill me.
"I'm a total queer".


:rofl:

:thumbsup:
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 01:03 PM
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56. Thank God, as a queer, I don't need to worry about...
Edited on Sun Oct-08-06 01:03 PM by haruka3_2000
proper consideration of political correctness.

:rofl:

I'm really a Kinsey 5, so in all honesty, I'm almost a total queer.
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:42 PM
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8. I'm wondering
I, too, see no problem with Foley having sex with an adult male. For me, the question is does this suggest that he had sex with younger pages as well?

I also have to wonder if this particular story is an attempt to exhonerate him. The statement that "I don't mess with pages" suggests to me that this story is coming out precisely to protect him and the Republicans who covered up for him. (Even if the story itself is true.)
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:43 PM
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10. I see no "gay bashing" in any of the examples that you posted...
...so what is your real point?
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doctor_garth Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:46 PM
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20. if you can't see it
you're helpless.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:48 PM
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25. Actually, no...it's YOUR JOB to help
You're making the charge, so go ahead and explain it. Plain English helps.
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:47 PM
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You can't see it, because it isn't there.
The OP has another agenda that he wishes us to explore.
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:44 PM
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13. I dunno, it would be pretty icky if the pages were girls too.
Edited on Sun Oct-08-06 12:45 PM by BlueEyedSon
Maybe ickier.

:puke:
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 01:08 PM
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63. the gender doesn't matter - the behavior does... predatory with power
that could make or break futures (as in - if I don't respond - will I get blackballed from certain scholarships, or future jobs, etc.?)
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:44 PM
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14. If your concern was genuine, why didn't you post your concern there?
Or would you just rather start trouble with a new thread? :shrug: :mad:
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doctor_garth Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:47 PM
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24. gay bashing on DU
deserves a thread don't you think?
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:50 PM
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31. If you could demonstrate it
Then it would.

Since you can't, it doesn't.

:rofl:
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doctor_garth Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 01:05 PM
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59. I quoted the words
and I gave the link, what else do you freaggin need?
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:44 PM
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16. You say PRESIDENT Clinton broke the law and Foley didn't!
What law did PRESIDENT Clinton break?
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:46 PM
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The operative question is "what law did he brake (sic)"
:rofl:
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:47 PM
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23. Yeah that's right he did spell it as BRAKE...
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:51 PM
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32. I'm series. This is hugh!!1111!!
:spray:
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doctor_garth Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:55 PM
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41. lying under oath
isn't that what the Repugs caught him for?
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:57 PM
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45. Don't you have anything better to do than bash Clinton?
Those of us who are actually dems love the Big Dog.
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doctor_garth Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 01:01 PM
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54. you're right
this was not about bashing Clinton.

But I was just making a parallel between the two sex scandals.
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 01:05 PM
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58. While conveniently bashing Clinton.
Two for one deal. Must be a sale at Walmart.
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:58 PM
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47. What was the lie?
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:46 PM
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18. No, posts like yours excuse predators
And confuse the issue and I think it's intentional.

Mark Foley is a pedophile, a predator. Anybody preying on teen-agers, NOT PEOPLE IN THEIR TWENTIES, is a pervert. I suspect Mark Foley DID break the law, it's a matter of sorting out jurisdictions, ages of consent, and the definition of illegal sexual activity and transmitting explicit sexual material.

I wish people like you would stop posting this shit because the last thing Democrats need is to appear to condone grown men preying on teen-agers. And the very very last thing the homosexual community needs is to equate homosexuality to sex with boys.

And none of this has got squat to do with Bill Clinton.
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doctor_garth Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:52 PM
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33. get through your head that
16 is the age of consent in DC.

You might not like it, but 16 yo. can choose to have sex with whomever they wish, even 95 yo. men.

Also, go learn medicine and psychology. A pedophile is someone attracted to children. A 16 yo. is not a child,
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:56 PM
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 01:27 PM
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82. You're starting to sound like a NAMBLA pamphlet
Good luck with the whole "13 year olds used to be available for sex with 50 year olds" argument. It's a winner! :rofl:
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 01:36 PM
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85. Well, I'm gonna guess that
you don't have any kids, nor have you had a meaningful adult relationship in your entire life. No one who posts the crap you are posting could expect anyone to want a relationship with them.

You're disgusting. :puke:
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:59 PM
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51. So if Trent Lott wants to bang a 16 year old "woman" that's fine with you
It's the age of consent in DC, after all.

There should be no negative consequences, since it's all above-board and legal.

Cheers! That's a stance that will help people win elections. Why should social mores impinge of a 50 year-olds freedom to fuck or otherwise talk sex with teenagers when it is not technically illegal? What kind of nany-state political correctness prevents 68 year old fogeys from fondling 16 year olds of either sex?

Hot teen sex for all (except where prohibited by state law)!

Helluva platform you got there, chief. I expect it will be a winner in the Midwest, especially.

:rofl:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 01:19 PM
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 01:25 PM
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80. I don't see sex as a dirty thing
Edited on Sun Oct-08-06 01:32 PM by alcibiades_mystery
Nice try though.

And yes, if that's your platform - 68 year olds and 16 year olds, please, by all means, go with it. IT's endearing to most, I'm sure.

Listen, I get what you imagine to be the whole reductio ad absurdum version of the thing. It's really amusing. It really is. Tra la la...if there are no boundaries for liberals, then sex between 50 year olds and teenagers should be alright, tra la la. I get that you think that's a contradiction, and you're going to caricature it to expose some hypocrisy that exists only in your mind, primarily because you don't understand the actual stance you're trying to caricature. It's fun. I know. I get it.

What you don't seem to understand is that the words "pederast" and "predator" are being applied not because the relationship is homosexual in nature, but because there is a considerable power asymmetry. Is there a power asymmetry in the Monica case? Of course, and Clinton is rightly condemned for it, but the asymmetry in that case didn't have to do with maturity, but position.

:rofl:
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 01:29 PM
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84. A 16 year old is still a minor.
Hell, I'm 23 and I wouldn't go near a 16 year old, because they are still emotionally immature, even if they're physically mature.

There is no reason a 52-year-old congressman should be attempting sexual relations or discussions with any 16-year-old, but it's even worse when it's a kid they're in a position of power over.

Don't even tell me that I see sex as a dirty thing, because I (and those who know me) would just have to blatantly laugh at that, without remorse.
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Sen. Walter Sobchak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 01:22 PM
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77. here is a little tip...
If you want to convince America at large that you guys are perfectly normal and non-threatening... you might want to skip the passionate defence of a dirty old man who used his position to try and fuck those percived to be children.

His conduct is completely unacceptable, this November I will have a couple of 15 and 16 yearold girls job shadowing me - if I used my position to fuck them - even if they wanted to, I would be fired no questions asked and nobody would defend my actions.

You shouldn't be defending a predatory pervert out of some sense of obligatory solidarity.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 01:23 PM
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Foley also lived in Florida
And seduced 16 year olds from Florida and transmitted explicit material from Florida. Get it through your head, THAT'S FUCKING ILLEGAL, dipwad.

And quite believing Wikipedia is the same thing as a professional journal. It's not. An obsession with underage teen-agers is pedophilia, just as much as obsession with 5 year olds is.
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Tyo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:49 PM
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27. Aren't we forgetting about the 10+ year coverup
Foley's colleagues knew about this for years and basically allowed it to continue. The way the Rethug leadership handled this would have met with the total approval of generations of Catholic bishops. Who knows what else they are keeping quiet about?
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:50 PM
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28. IS this troll necessary four weeks before the election? n/t
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 01:01 PM
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53. I guess, he's still here!
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:50 PM
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29. Bush hasn't lied under oath- GOP congress hasn't required that yet
they got him to testify, but not under oath, IIRC.
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:53 PM
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35. I hope that changes real soon. Under oath, yes indeed. nt
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doctor_garth Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:59 PM
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49. the state of the union
speeches are under oath. Remember the 16 words?
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 01:08 PM
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61. Really?
Show me.
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peacebird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:53 PM
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37. I do not care what Foley did with men (18 and over)
But I am concerned/disgusted that he would send sexually suggestive email and IM's to young men below the age of 18; and that he used his position as a congressman, and the power of that position to contact pages.

What he does with other consenting adults is a don't care for me. What he does with underage youths is very much at issue.

This is not a "gay" thing so far as I can tell - it's abuse of power and predation on teens (under 18)
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:54 PM
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38. I'm Old Fashioned...
I believe sex between adults and minors is always wrong regardless of the sexual orientation of the participants...

I also believe congressmen and congresswomen are acting as parents (in loco parentis) to the underage pages and should conduct themselves as such.

And my beliefs are not affected by my party identification.


I would feel the same way about Mark Foley if he had a (D) after his name.

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Tyo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 01:08 PM
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64. He does have a "D" after his name sometimes
Depends on where you get your news.
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roody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:58 PM
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46. I agree we need to be careful not to be homophobic.
Foley's behavior is reprehensible whether it were to 16 year old boys or 16 year old girls. This sexual harrassment is acceptable to many people if it is heterosexual in nature. It is fun to joke about sex scandals, when it is your opposition involved. If you make a joke, think it in a hetero setting and see if it is homophobic.
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madmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 01:02 PM
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55. The Rethugs will spin it that way.
And Glen Beck showed a video of a "terrorist" on a talk show discussing American homosexual and bestiality web sites claiming they could marry in the U.S., as if people could legally marry animals and equating gays into the mix. Have to say, it was a well done piece of propaganda. Maybe someone has the clip.

Don't forget a majority greater than "The Moral Majority" votes against gay marriage.
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 01:03 PM
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57. he's right in a sort of bizarro twisted way


there have been several homophobic threads on here since the Foley scandal broke which the mods have locked once they were alerted on

BUT Foley did send what can be called in the least highly inappropriate emails and IMs to underage kids which were probably against the law

the kids weren't in DC but in other states and I have no idea which states they were in and what the age of consent is in those states

gay men and lesbians are NOT preditors; we do not prey on children; we have sex with other adults

anyone who does prey on children is not gay nor lesbian, but a pedophile

straight adults do not prey on children; pedophiles do

and the whole Foley incident is certainly not the first time that homophobia has reared its ugly head on DU






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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 01:07 PM
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60. Unfortnuately...
You have at least three issues being conflated...

Pedophilia

Republican hypocrisy

and

Sexual Orientation

I have made jokes like many here, but offending gay folks is the last thing from my mind..
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 01:13 PM
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70. one of those issues should not be included
and that's sexual orientation

Foley saying that he's gay is an attempt to deflect the true issue that he preyed on kids

Just because he saying he's gay doesn't make it so

he may be attracted to male children more than females, that doesn't make him gay

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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 01:08 PM
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62. The fleas and ticks are really bad after the Aspens intertwine in
sekkktor R...Please...Put a nickel in the flute of another prostitute...as the orders from SICKPUBPOOP command require...the Deet is on the feet...repeat Deet is on the feet...the operation is a definite go...the lame baby duck quacks loudest at 16.00 hrs...that is all...

[]<sssssssssssss ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~< {Doink}

Edit...For Series Gramear
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 01:08 PM
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65. The whole "lied under oath" thing doesn't check out. Its circular logic
for example, if his crime was "lying under oath", and that was his only crime, then why the hell was he under oath in the first place?

And, besides, at least he was a president who would take an oath to tell the truth. I haven't seen Bush ever do that. He has actually refused.

And not just over matters of sex with another consenting adult. Bush wouldn't even take an oath when giving testimony about 9/11
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 01:08 PM
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66. Welcome to DU!
My Freeper co-worker said the exact same thing this past week. What a coincidence!

:shrug:
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 01:12 PM
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69. That's Because The Freepers Want To Conflate The Issue
Conflating homosexuality and pedophilia is offensive.

We're laughing at Republican hypocrisy...
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 01:15 PM
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Hypocrisy thy name is GOP
They have such precious little ammunition left as they and the news media dig in for a siege.

Still can't figure out why the Aspens are turning against themselves, tho...
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 01:23 PM
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78. Gee, what are the odds of that?
Rush Limbaugh says something at the beginning of the week, by the end of the week every freeper in the world is saying it...


Not that freepers are lockstep, brownshirt, goosesteping Nazi fascists who can't think for themselves...

Its just coincidence that they all reach the same conclusion, on their own, at the same time, several days after their spiritual leader says them on the radio.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 01:28 PM
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83. And then
the same talking points suddenly appear here on DU posted by those who, shall we say, don't visit here too often.

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Corgigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 01:09 PM
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67. Not to mention that Monica was hunting
Edited on Sun Oct-08-06 01:10 PM by Corgigal
President Clinton. Seems that Clinton has the purr factor and women were ah, offering him favors all the time. "It" came to him, he didn't have to eyeball teenagers to pick which ones he wanted. Now, Clinton was a dummy because he has so many enemies, but humans have failings. He paid a big penalty for that affair.

Foley is different. These pages were allowed to serve with their parents permission. I have haven't heard one word of a teen aged boy hitting on Foley, the news articles concerning this behavior makes Foley the predator. Clinton was never a predator, he never needed to be. I think that is why rw white males hated him. They have, nor will ever have the purr factor. Sexual harassment is awful for both sexes. Young people aren't always equip intellect wise, to handle this situation.

Nothing to do with sexual orientation. Remember were dems, we don't have a need to know what goes on in adults bedrooms.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 01:11 PM
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68. All I see from you in this post
is Republican apologist bullshit, talking points Rush used DAYS ago, veiled attacks on Clinton, and an attempt to make us look like anti-gay hypocrites.

And you can't back any of it up.

Pathetic
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 01:18 PM
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74. and an alerted post at that. I couldn't agree more with your assesment
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 01:13 PM
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71. This is the most DISGUSTING thread I've read on DU!
You are defending that piece of shit Foley?!

:wtf:

Sorry, but your B.S. argument doesn't fly with me or other parents on DU or in this country for that matter! That sick bastard Foley is a predator pedophile! End of story. :puke:
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 01:15 PM
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73. Is hitting on teenagers normal for men in their "40s and 50s" ? This isn't
about gay sex. :eyes:
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SheWhoMustBeObeyed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 01:21 PM
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76. Anyone who compares Clinton with Foley needs more than a reality check
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 01:23 PM
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79. Who the fk is bashing Gays? This about Foley hitting on KIDs
and the GOPers who covered for him....allowing him to continue until caught....nothing more, nothing less. Get over it.



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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 01:26 PM
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81. Nothing wrong with being
gay, Doc, it's the hypocricy and the preying on young Pages that has to stop.
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 01:37 PM
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87. Locking
Flamebait
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