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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:08 PM
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Cornyn trying to say Dems sat on emails on Wolfie's show...
I am getting sick and fucking tired of this shit!

Hey Corn-in! ABC News has already laid that to rest you dumb fuck.

Goddammit I hate Cornyn!


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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:10 PM
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1. This tactic is going to backfire.
It makes no sense - and has been disproven *in advance* in the media coverage. All this does is further convince folks that it (the cover up) must be real bad, or they wouldn't be resorting to nonseniscal fingerpointing.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:14 PM
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8. Absolutely.
Americans are sick of this shit and are seeing through Republican manipulations.

Let them say this shit...it'll only harm then in the end.

(Oh, and hi, friend. :hi: )
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Hav Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:12 PM
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2. .
They will repeat it again and again without any evidence until a considerable part of the people will accept it as fact.
Damn scumbags who are unable to take responsibility for anything at all.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:14 PM
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7. I think it won't work with the public except the die-hards
this tactic reminds me of the strategic error the GOP made with Schaivo. Played well with the most extreme diehards - but alienated the rest of the population... including a big swath of republicans.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:15 PM
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10. And nothing will ever slough the diehards away from their worshipped party
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:21 PM
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16. what is odd - is how much of a tin ear the GOP has developed.
This little 'offense' (reading that now at least 3 GOPers on the sunday talk circuit have pushed this Dems Fault! line) - is stupid. Rallying the diehards with this line... isn't going to save the Chair of the RNCC's campaign (where a 5 pt lead has shifted to a greater than 10 pt deficit) - it is only going to put the idiots using the talkingpoints into harms way per potential support swings against them.

Sorta like watching a train wreck.

Except without the morbidity... (well watching today's GOP is always morbid... but you know what I mean.)
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Hav Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:18 PM
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13. .
I hope you are right. And I hope that the people will be disgusted by this tactic which basically doesn't deal with the scandal and the responsibility itself.

What does it mean anyways that someone sat on the emails? It means that the info was there and I would take the bet that if the Dems had it (which I doubt), then the Repubs should have known about it earlier.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:24 PM
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17. they are trying to claim that the story was timed for political reasons
having to do with the election - and that therefor they and Hastert are victims.

The reason this has a backfire effect - is that in essence it says that the story shouldn't have been released at all - which means Foley would still be sitting in office preying on pages.

A second reason it has a backfire effect - is that it makes no sense. Already in the media it is out there that the story was given to the press by a GOP staffer.

The third reason it has a backfire effect - is that it just makes them sound like they are desperate by "playing the victim".
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:20 PM
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15. And the diehards
aren't going to be voting Dem no matter what.

Who is the RW spin machine trying to impress with this nonsense? When Hillary talked about a vast RW conspiracy the GOP went nuts. At least she had a money trail and some actual facts to back her up. THe GOP's got nothing on this accusation.

Mz Pip
:dem:
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:26 PM
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18. In their desperate arrogance - I dont think that those strategizing
this effort (so far at least three GOP congressmen or senator have used this angle on the SUnday talkingheads shows) will only play to their base - and will likely alienate other potential voters. I think that they think that they are so "credible" that if they all say the same thing/excuse that ALL of the public except for the diehards on the otherside (re: US) will believe them.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:13 PM
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3. They had it first so this won't work n/t
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:13 PM
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4. Bideb had a good answer though.
Edited on Sun Oct-08-06 12:13 PM by napi21
He said, aftera little sarcastic laugh, "Let's assume that's true. So What? That doesn't change the fact that Foley did something VERY BAD!

I guess I also have to give Wolfie a bit of credit for going back at Cornin telling him thatthe author of the article that outed Foley said his source was a Pub!
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:13 PM
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5. They Need To Ask WHO?? WHICH DEMS?
They have not a shred of evidence besides so called "suspicious timing." These same people didn't question the "suspicious timing" of the swiftboat liars....
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:14 PM
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9. Cornin is balming it on some Dem newspapers in Fl. who had the
story for quite a while.
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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:18 PM
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12. Oh, we have newspapers?
"Damn, this never would have happened if those Damned Democrats had been silenced earlier!"
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:46 PM
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21. So did Faux! n/t.
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brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:52 PM
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22. As I understand it...
some newspaper- or newspapers- did receive something on Foley, but it was not substantial information and so they chose not to go with it until there was something more solid. That, to me, indicates more 'integrity' than subterfuge. Point is, they did publish when provided with proof.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:53 PM
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23. Fool... flip side to his claim - is that it was a GOOD thing when noone
knew... OR that it was okay for Hastert to sit on the info - and the problem is all the timing... that somehow this would be different (re Hastert's doingnothing) if the story broke during the summer rather than now? WTF?
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:14 PM
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6. oh but those silly facts get in the way..
Leaving aside the fact that the if Hastert, Reynolds et al had done their jobs, the Foley emails would've come to light last year and Foley would never had been on the ballot, CREW gave the emails to the FBI in July -- the Florida primary was in September. Sort of blows apart the "wait until its too late to take Foley off the ballot" argument.
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:16 PM
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11. It has been confirmed by several sources that republicans broke this.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:20 PM
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14. Typical Rive tactic -- Make a question into a charge
Edited on Sun Oct-08-06 12:20 PM by Armstead
Question: Any investigation should include whether Democrats have knowledge of this too, and deliberatly waited until the election to release it."

Rovian GOP Tactic: The Democrats have to "clear their name" and swear under oath that they did not have prior knowledge of this.

Subtle difference, but in the Big Lie world of spin, it totally recasts a minor querstion into a large accusation....It gives them room to backtrack, and say "We're were just askin.' "
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:27 PM
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19. You know, I think if they had one scintilla of evidence that this was
so, we'd certainly have heard all about it.

Instead, they depend on baseless accusations, and hope against hope that some small tidbit will come out eventually to support them. Or that the accusations will stick, and when they finally recant, it will be too late.
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:57 PM
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24. They don't CARE if any supporting evidence comes out. If they make
enough NOISE about this, and the Democrats don't forcefully RESPOND, then enough CONFUSION is created by casual TV watchers for it to become a "WASH" where both Dems and Repubs have some complicity in the matter, to those easily confused.

And if the Democratic leadership, especially Pelosi who is specifically targetted in this, do not respond, there's a good chance that the goal of sowing confusion and creating a "wash" will work.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:58 PM
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25. It is the Perception Management Team
nothing about reality... all about creating a perception among the public.

We, the public, will be in such better shape when we 'get' the reality of the use of "Perception Management" - which completely divorces words from having any real meaning in the first place.
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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:28 PM
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20. Send in the Clowns.
Cornholio is an idiot.
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Justice Is Comin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 01:00 PM
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26. Kooky Roberts said it was absurd for them to say this,
She said females and housewives are outraged!!! A 50 year old man asks for a picture of a 16 year old boy, and he says he has to go because his mother is calling him, and they don't find that a serious problem? lol.

She's not normally waving any Democratic pom poms.
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 01:04 PM
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27. EVERY person in the media should call them on this when they trot
it out. "What evidence do you have, aside from that you're a Republican and you're unhappy how this is playing out?"

But of course they don't.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 01:08 PM
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28. better yet... "So is this charge based on evidence, or perception
management advice?" Two hits with one stone. No evidence... then it must be perception management.
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