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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 10:34 AM
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Pet store arson update: It was an inside job, not AR people
Original GD thread here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2006/10/07/pe ... /

Pet store manager charged with willful burning of shop

By Brian R. Ballou and Raja Mishra, Globe Staff | October 7, 2006

CAMBRIDGE -- The manager of a pet store destroyed in a blaze last month was charged yesterday with setting fire to the shop and killing more than two-dozen exotic pets in an arson in which he sought to frame animal rights activists.

The fire on the second floor of the Boston Tropical Fish and Reptiles shop on Sept. 27 killed a collection of snakes, frogs, and fish, with the apparent arsonist spray painting ``No more exploitation of animals" on the storefront. Detectives at the scene said the graffito might lead them to the culprit.

...

Trinh was at the fire scene on Wednesday night and expressed grief as he pointed to the charred store he managed. But when a reporter sought to interview him, he quickly left. Prosecutors said Trinh was in the process of buying the store, which had not been doing well recently. They would not elaborate on his alleged motive.

The store's owner -- Dianne San Filippo , who was also at the scene -- wondered why animal rights activists would burn pets to death. ``Is that kind of death better than exploitation?" she asked.
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 10:35 AM
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1. I'M SO K&R-ING THIS BABY!!!
This whole thing stunk from the get-go and I hate how everyone is so ready to pin it on the animal activists, like THEY are some kind of big problem in this fucked up world, I don't think so!
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Darth_Kitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 10:55 AM
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6. Right, everybody just wanted to blame the animal rights activists.....
I don't think so, but what does it matter?
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 10:58 AM
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7. Apparently they did.
When the actual AR people with a pretty good idea of the logic and tactics behind AR-motivated actions explained why it clearly and blatantly wasn't an AR thing at all, they chose not to listen. :shrug:
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Darth_Kitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 11:13 AM
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12. I disagree......
some people on the pro-animal rights activists side wouldn't even contemplate the notion that somebody who called themselve an activist just MIGHT be responsible. That they couldn't be ruled out.

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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 11:37 AM
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14. The minute you
start killing animals, you stop being an animal rights activist. Regardless.
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:12 PM
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21. Wish I could recommend an individual post.
:applause:

And, that logic extends itself mightily to the pro-life bullshit the RW spews.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 11:40 AM
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15. We know our people, we know our history, we know tactics and we know
current AR thought and priorities. The action was not consistent with any of that, so it was a safe bet that nobody in AR was involved.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 10:41 AM
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2. AR people liberate the animals
They may have torched stores later, but I've never heard of it.

Expect a lot of false flag operations by Repugs and by greedy fools who buy their propaganda.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 10:43 AM
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3. While I'm still sorry for the animals that were the victims here
I'm not sorry for those that are choking on their very words right now.
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 10:45 AM
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4. K&R! It's a shame animals had to die due to their owner's greed.
However, here's a big I TOLD YOU SO to the anti-AR crowd.
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KFC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 10:54 AM
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5. That store manager was more than likely a PETA member
The article didn't say he wasn't.
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 10:58 AM
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8. Oh brother! That's just making shit up.
I didn't say you aren't one, so, you must be one too.
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jilln Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 11:05 AM
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9. How uneducated about PeTA can you possibly be?
AR activists do not kill animals. Or people for that matter. You are at best uninformed and at worst an ignorant fear and hate monger.

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KFC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 11:07 AM
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10. That would be a joke.
I didnt't think it required a sarcasm tag, it was so obvious.
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jilln Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 11:10 AM
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11. Not at all obvious
to those of us who hear this kind of BS all the time and are regularly called terrorists for holding signs.

Glad to hear it was a joke though.
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KFC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 11:19 AM
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13. I forgot this was GD
No offense. I have no problem with PETA. Basically a group of well-intentioned people who believe strongly in their cause. If you don't like their message, simply ignore it.
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jilln Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 02:02 PM
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24. Cool... plus with your name KFC, I thought maybe you were upset at the
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KFC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 03:55 PM
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32. My initials
I do get reactions that are pretty funny, but not unexpected.
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REP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 04:48 AM
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36. I Post Under My Initials
Tell me about it!
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 03:08 PM
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27. Unless they're running animal shelters, that is
http://www.nokillnow.com/PETAanimalpeople.htm

About six months after the Barakat expose appeared, PETA in 2000 sent euthanasia technician Teresa Gibbs to the no-kill Visakha SPCA, of Visakhapatnam, India, as a donated shelter manager. Seeking to undo the Visakha SPCA no-kill policy, Gibbs did severe harm to the organizations donor, staff, and community relations before being fired.

http://www.nokillnow.com/PETAIngridNewkirkResign.htm

In 2003 we learned for the first time that Ingrid Newkirk - tireless defender of animals - has another face. During the 1970's her chosen profession was "dog catcher" and killer. Newkirk unabashedly describes her zeal for killing in her own words: "I'd go to work early, before anyone got there, and I would just kill the animals myself...I must have killed a thousand of them, sometimes dozens every day." She was so good at it she rose through the ranks to become director of District of Columbia's high-kill pound where she reigned for some years. There, under her rule, untold thousands more died.

http://www.lincolntribune.com/modules/news/article.php?...

http://www.petakillsanimals.com

Ingrid Newkirk is totally against companion animals, and her actions prove it.
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Katzenjammer Donating Member (541 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 03:25 PM
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31. I see a lot of handwaved allegations at that site, but not much else
nt
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 04:38 PM
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33. Total bullshit.
Nice last link there, btw.

the Nokillnow.com site fails to give Ingrid's ENTIRE sstatement, and obviously has a distinct hatred for PETA. For those failing to do proper research, I've posted it here:

What she saw at the shelter affected her profoundly. 'I went to the front office all the time, and I would say, "John is kicking the dogs and putting them into freezers." Or I'd say, "They are stepping on the animals, crushing them like grapes, and they don't care." In the end, I'd go to work early, before anyone got there, and I would just kill the animals myself, because I couldn't stand to let them go through that. I must have killed a thousand of them, sometimes dozens every day. Some of those people would take pleasure in making them suffer. Driving home every night, I would cry just thinking about it. And I just felt, to my bones, this cannot be right. I hadn't thought about animal rights in the broader sense. Not then, or even for a while after. But working at that shelter I just said to myself, "What is wrong with human beings that we can act this way?"'

You owe Newkirk an apology.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:11 PM
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20. Oh, give me a frigging break
I can make stuff up, too.

I bet he was a member of the Neo Nazis, and owns an autographed copy of "Mein Kampf."
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:22 PM
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22. no peta member would have an animal store. period.
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 11:44 AM
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16. Thanks for the update Leftymom - K&R !
and hope these people get lots of jail time...insurance fraud and animal cruelty. I just nominated and sent this for Keith Olbermann's Worst Person in the World :hi:

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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 11:51 AM
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17. What a great idea!
Olbermann's got a reputation as an animal lover, so I can see him running with this one.
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:01 PM
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18. Maybe if a lot of us do it.....how could he resist DUers !
I use the email to a friend at the top of the OP, then send to Keith and Staff, Countdown@msnbc.com

I love his Running with the Bulls coverage, he roots for the Bulls !
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MazeRat7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:09 PM
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19. She's a witch...burn her.
Well.. ok maybe that is a bit over-the-top... but there had better be some serious jail time and about a zillion hours of community service for the local humane society at the very least.

MZr7
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BreweryYardRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 01:00 PM
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23. One of the benefits of an internet forum...
You can be over the top!

Within reason. If I said what I want to do to that slimeball, I'd probably get banned.
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LeftCoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 02:05 PM
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25. I had a feeling this would turn out to be an inside job
Of course now it's become part of the internet 'facts' that animal rights activists burned down a pet store, but at least we know the truth.
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 02:12 PM
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26. Me too.
When I first read it, it just didn't pass the smell test. The graffiti was too wordy and long, and no animal rights people I know would leave animals inside to die.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 03:11 PM
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28. That's What I Thought. And A Lot Of Other DU'ers For That Matter. This
was a horribly implemented plan that made the motives so apparent.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 03:13 PM
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29. WOW! What a shock! You mean it wasn't PETA??!!!!
:sarcasm:

Only pure ignorance would rush to blame PETA and/or animal activists for a crime that would undermine the very principle that they stand for: the safety, rights and health of animals.
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 03:18 PM
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30. Right. Like Radical TreeHuggers are gonna kill a bunch of animials
by burning them to death. good lord. :eyes:

Proud member of the TreeHuggers Association.
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 03:16 AM
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34. Un-f&%$#@! real
To kill all of those animals just to frame some people. :grr:
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 03:30 AM
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35. AR people would NEVER
hurt animals that way! :mad:
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