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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 07:26 AM
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TIME Declares: THE REPUBLICAN REVOLUTION IS OVER
Sex, lies and power games are just the latest symptoms of a Republican party that has strayed from its ideals.



End of the Revolution
Sex, lies and power games are just the latest symptoms of a Republican party adrift from its ideals
By KAREN TUMULTY

Posted Sunday, Oct. 8, 2006

Every revolution begins with the power of an idea and ends when clinging to power is the only idea left. The epitaph for the movement that started when Newt Gingrich and his forces rose from the back bench of the House chamber in 1994 may well have been written last week in the same medium that incubated it: talk radio. On conservative commentator Laura Ingraham's show, the longest-serving Republican House Speaker in history explained why he would not resign despite a sex scandal that has produced a hail of questions about his leadership and the failure to stop one of his members from cyberstalking teenage congressional pages. "If I fold up my tent and leave," Dennis Hastert told her, "then where does that leave us? If the Democrats sweep, then we'd have no ability to fight back and get our message out."

That quiet admission may have been the most damning one yet in the unfolding scandal surrounding Florida Congressman Mark Foley: holding on to power has become not just the means but also the end for the onetime reformers who in 1994 unseated a calcified and corrupted Democratic majority. Washington scandals, it seems, have been following a Moore's law of their own, coming at a faster clip every time there is a shift in control. It took 40 years for the House Democrats to exhaust their goodwill. It may take only 12 years for the Republicans to get there.

If you think politicians clinging to power isn't big news, then you may have forgotten the pure zeal of Gingrich's original revolutionaries. They swept into Washington on the single promise that they would change Capitol Hill. And for a time, they did. Vowing to finish what Ronald Reagan had started, they stood firm on the three principles that defined conservatism: fiscal responsibility, national security and moral values. Reagan, who had a few scandals in his day, didn't always follow his own rules. But his doctrine turned out to be a good set of talking points for winning elections in a closely divided country, and the takeover was completed with the inauguration of George W. Bush as President.

But after controlling both houses of Congress and the White House for most of Bush's six years in office, the party has a governing record that has come unmoored from those Grand Old Party ideals. The exquisite political machinery that aces the elections has begun to betray the platform. To win votes back home, lawmakers have been spending taxpayer money like sailors on leave, producing the biggest budget deficits in U.S. history. And the party's approach to national security has taken the country into a war that most Americans now believe was a mistake and that the government's own intelligence experts say has shaped "a new generation of terrorist leaders and operatives."

much more at:
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,154387...
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 07:30 AM
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1. Great pic on the cover:


:rofl:

K&R!
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 07:37 AM
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3. they forgot to include a giant heap of elephant dung
THAT's the big stinkin' mess they're in, a product of their own doing.
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populistdriven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 09:46 AM
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27. Pelosi and the rest of us are going to have to clean up after the GOP -pic
Edited on Sun Oct-08-06 09:56 AM by bushmeat
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Jacklyn75 Donating Member (273 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 08:06 AM
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13.  I love the pick too!
I quit subscribing to TIME many years ago but it looks like this issue is one I might have to pick up. Great cover and great pick on the idiots in step...
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 08:15 AM
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16. LOL That is awesome
Edited on Sun Oct-08-06 08:16 AM by proud2Blib
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SHRED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 07:36 AM
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2. A direct quote from this article:
Edited on Sun Oct-08-06 07:36 AM by SHRED
First sentence in the fourth paragraph:
"But after controlling both houses of Congress and the White House for most of Bush's six years in office,..."

My question is: Which part of those 6 years didn't they have control?
What am I missing here?
:shrug:
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iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 07:39 AM
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4. Briefly In 2001 or 2002, I Think
The Democrats had the Senate right after Jim Jeffords switched to be an Independent - and lost it again in th 2002 elections
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 07:39 AM
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5. for a brief period when jeffords became an independent
and caucused with the democrats, the dems controlled the senate, at least until the next elections.
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SHRED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 07:40 AM
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6. okay thanks
That must of been real brief.
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 07:42 AM
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8. From mid 2001 to the 2002 elections Democrats controlled the Senate
After Jeffords switched to the Independent Party.
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POAS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 07:53 AM
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9. self delete
Edited on Sun Oct-08-06 07:55 AM by POAS
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 07:59 AM
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10. It was a tie and Daschle negotiated equal representation on committees...
...as a condition for not objecting to the theft of the 2000 election. Then, Jeffords switched and the Dems had a majority.
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POAS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 08:03 AM
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12. Your right of course which is why
I did a self delete before your reply got posted. The old memory cells aren't what they used to be!
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 08:06 AM
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14. I think I'll leave mine up as a tribute to Daschle's greatest moment
I do feel sorry for the guy. He was there when the media launched the "bush cult of personality" after 9/11 and dissent was considered treasonous.
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Hav Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 08:13 AM
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15. .
In the last days, I thought about him, too. This year is payback. And maybe 2008 a few of the other scumbags will follow.
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doubleplusgood Donating Member (810 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 07:40 AM
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7. "onetime reformers"
I take issue with Time's calling the 1994 Republicans "onetime reformers". They didn't reform anything, at least not for the better. Instead of doing away with lobbyist influence, they institutionalized it. One of their "reforms" for '94: cutting congressional staff, thus making congresspersons more dependent upon lobbyists who increased in number, what, threefold or so since '94? I guess TIme never heard of the K-Street project either.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 08:01 AM
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11. Petro-fascists and theocrats...those were the Republican "Revolutionaries"
Katherine Harris and Ken Blackwell.
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nxylas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 08:50 AM
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21. Reforms for the worse are still reforms
Like Lord Voldemort, they have done great things - terrible things, but great.
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 08:16 AM
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17. Seems to me that the main principle that defined "conservatism"
was doing everything possible to take down a sitting President, just because he was a Democrat. Six years of going after Clinton's zipper is what I recall.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 08:17 AM
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18. I hate the sailors on leave/drunken sailor spending image
sailors spend their own money when they're drunk. Republics are spending our money!
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 09:13 AM
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24. HA! You stole that line from Ronald Reagan ("hoisted on their own retard")
Oops. I mean "petard". Sorry 'bout that typo.
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 08:27 AM
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19. Thank goodness
the elephant's end pic is so appropriate on so many levels.

we've got to keep em dead until election day and to 2008 beyond that.
they are already plotting on ways to scandalize us after we take back control.
Bet on it.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 08:47 AM
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20. Don't Celebrate Yet - The Rethugs Will Be Back Bigtime in Two Years
People still like the Republican ideas (twisted as they are) - they just hate this particular bunch of Rethugs.

There'll be a new crop of fresh-faced Rethugs reporting for action in '08, spouting the normal "cut taxes, supply-side economics" bullshit, with OxyRush/O'Really/Insanity spewing adoration 24/7. Adn there's a Katrina-like recession on the horizen - whoever's in power will be blamed for that. Once again, in '08, the Rethugs will probably thoroughly kick our asses at the polls as they've done in every election since 1994.

Just think - the Rethugs started a ruinous war, raped the Constitution, were caught red-handed in incredible scandal, and their President is the most hated in US history - and all that the Democrats can gain from all of this mayhem is a shot at a slim majority in Congress.

The only hope is that Howard Dean can wean the Dems off their worship of triangulation, and purchase spines for them. But I fear this won't happen - rather than embrace the obvious, which is that the Rethugs have destroyed themselves this time around, the Dems will think that they triangulated themselves to a victory, and embrace Clinton's Golden Triangle that much closer to their hearts.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 08:54 AM
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22. How about we lead on Climate Protection?
I think that Climate Protection/Global Warming is a theme that most Americans want to address.
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 10:23 AM
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32. Look at the names
Notice"Conservatives" They always recycle the same bunch of aristocratic thugs,the names repeat Gingrich,Rumsfeld ect..for YEARS they come up,behind every""conservative" elected, these presidents on the right pick these same thugs,so they never LEAVE,tyrants they are hangers onto power. Kissinger,how long had that war criminal ghoul been stalking the halls of our government stirring up shit,. These same people come around again and again,and if they put up"fresh faces" we would be wise to look for the old names holding up these"fresh faces" as a mask to conceal the same old shit as generations before.Thats is why the founder had a DRASTIC remedy for tyrants,Hang them, until dead.
For they never will leave power as long as they can breathe air and tell lies and cook up a scheme to sell..
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Qdog Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 10:32 AM
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33. Radical Right "Ethics"
I agree. The American Taliban will probably vote them back in office. Even with all the "moral" leaders in office getting indicted they still think they hold the moral high ground. They actually blame the Dem's and the kids!
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MikeNearMcChord Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 03:56 PM
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45. This is what I hope the Democratic leadership is thinking,
even with a two-house sweep, in 06, the support will be a mile wide but an inch thick. I believe the country will have major economic problems, and if the Dems blow it, the GOP will be back, there is no doubt that there are some GOP'ers who are not connected directly with the scandal tainted leadership and can easily claim the mantle. Assume nothing for assumption is the mother of all catstrophes.
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connecticut yankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 07:57 AM
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57. They'll be revving up their engines
the day after the election.

Maybe before.
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Zambero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 08:59 AM
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23. So Hastert believes his staying on will prevent a Democratic sweep?
"If I fold up my tent and leave," Dennis Hastert told her, "then where does that leave us? If the Democrats sweep, then we'd have no ability to fight back and get our message out."

That's it Denny, just stay put and damn the torpedoes. The voters will love ya for it!

As for their imminent inability to "Fight back and get our message out", hasn't that been the GOP's attitude in practice toward making sure Democrats retained their minority party status? Hastert no doubt fears that his party will receive the same type of one-party-in-control treatment at the hands of Democrats.

Time to clean out the office Denny -- you'll be moving one way or another, and soon.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 10:02 AM
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30. I wonder what Denny smoked before claiming that if he folds up his
circus tent they'll have no ability to get their message out. I mean, shit, they'll always have Faux and hate raido. Sheesh. Poor widdle Denny. :nopity:
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civildisoBDence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 01:24 PM
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42. Fast Bastard Hastert knows something about folding up circus tents.
Because that's what they make his suits out of.

Newsprism
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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 09:17 AM
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25. the results of their polarization strategy
This article reveals why they dumped the "uniter not a divider" promise:

That even became part of an electoral strategy dating back to the 2000 election that suggested there was nothing to be gained by moderation. In a memo he wrote to Karl Rove, Bush pollster Matthew Dowd estimated that truly independent voters had fallen to a mere sliver of the electorate. There were, Dowd concluded, not enough percentage points in being "a uniter, not a divider." The key to winning in a polarized country was mobilizing the conservative base.

Not that anyone ever believed for a second that these power-mad demons would govern any other way.

The article does have its faults, as several posters above have pointed out, but I still enjoyed reading this:

It took 40 years for the House Democrats to exhaust their goodwill. It may take only 12 years for the Republicans to get there.




Cher
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many a good man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 09:37 AM
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26. Three principles that defined conservatism:
"fiscal responsibility, national security and moral values." Don't make me :puke:

The iconic Reagan and his evil spawn ran up record deficits, planted the seeds of the Age of Terror, and dredged up divisive wedge issues at the expense of good governance. What a load of crap.

Here's my three:
* cronyism
* phony macho posturing
* hypocrisy

It wasn't a revolution, it was a coup.
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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 09:52 AM
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28. IMO... The principles were the same as always for the Donepublicans...
God, Guns, Gays, and first and foremost... GREED.

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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:20 PM
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38. First is the POWER


After you get power, than you can BE God,Shoot anyone you don't like or just want to,shoot with the Guns, you can exterminate all the Gays, with guns or gas,hell, you are god now with the power and authority to hold lives in your hands and create right and wrong(as in create reality) and lastly ...your GREED is automatically unfettered and seen as a 'divine right'.. once your own dominance over the nation is made clear..and you have enough enablers willing to die to protect the"leaders dream".
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 09:54 AM
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29. What do/did conservatives conserve?
Thier own power. The party of aristocracy,and might makes right hiding under moral values and fiscal responsibility is what they ALWAYS were.
Reagan sold the people a lie with his"trickle down economics" And It just got uglier.. These thugs were out to destroy this country,kill its freedoms so they could rule with full spectrum domination,THEY were they tyrants,doing a slow generational coup by appealing to the publics mose BASE desires,power without restraint .greed without giving back ,prestige without substance,selfishness without shame,security without freedom and hypocraisy wuithout being seen as being a liar...




What exactly do Conservatives 'conserve'?

by Underground Panther in the Sky, Unknown News

May 2, 2006

What do Conservatives 'conserve' anyway? To answer this you must ask what is the real meaning of "Conservative"? Where did this 'idealogy' come from? Who made it up? And Why?

When I hear some snotty elitist speak of "ordered liberty," I can't help but ask,

Liberties come in which order?

And whose liberty is the most important and first here?

Could this two-faced social Darwinism crap really be the true unspoken origins of Conservatism in America?

Yes, Virginia, it is.

After all, when you look at what they say vs how what they say pans out in the real world, you'll find out what exactly these elitists calling themselves conservative are conserving. They are conserving their own power, wealth, and social domination within their own ranks... and all the talk goes to those sickening same old self-interested ends.

The central idea of The Conservative Mind, upon which American conservatism is essentially based, is this idea called "ordered liberty."

But when I hear some snotty elitist speak of "ordered liberty," I can't help but ask, Liberties come in which order? And whose liberty is the most important and first here? And order implies a hierarchy -- where you are located at on said hierarchy is very relevant to how "free" you are in this "order of liberties."

In the "conservative" way of blending the sometimes contending requirements of the community and the individual, of individual freedom and individual responsibility, of limited government and unlimited markets, it always favors the most powerful and their interests first. Their "order" makes sure they are first in line for everything but work, submission, responsibility and deprivation.

The order is switched around rhetorically when it is most convenient to these elites getting theirs. When big uncreative corporations can't deal with the upstart competition of creative people from below outdoing them, then the markets are "too free" and they get limited in the favor of the big gorillas (to preserve the top-down divine order). If markets make big gorilla monopolies that ruthlessly plunder the people, well, then the big gorillas are just the divine working order of the market.

There are six basic "canons" or principles of conservatism. After each, I will observe how those six canons of conservatism seem to pan out in reality.

#1 A divine intent, as well as personal conscience, rules society.

UnSpun that is another way of saying, The Divine right of kings. If by divinity they mean Christian it is a theocracy. If there is one God, one creator, then one king is divinely appointed, well it must be God's chosen ruler on top, if society is run hierarchically by divine order.

#2 Traditional life is filled with variety and mystery while most radical systems are characterized by a narrowing uniformity ...
Their "order" makes sure they are first in line for everything but work, submission, responsibility and deprivation.

Tell that shit about "variety and mystery" to a housewife in the 1950's. Sometimes women back then were in such awe of the mysteries of church, taking care of house and husband and kids and seeking life we never had, they took Valium to sleep it away. Tell that to a factory worker who hates his job, or some cubicle slave. Oh, and never forget the great invisible hand -- divinity? -- of the market.

... while most radical systems are characterized by a narrowing uniformity.

Radicals all must agree with the basics of conservative ideology, or be ruthlessly stomped by the state if they do not uphold this notion of elitism couched as "divine order." That is why conservatives hate Anarchy: Because the radicals directly undermine the conservatives' bullshit about "divine mandates" they feel God gives them. They think God gave them their privilege to rule others, and exploit and manipulate them.

#3 Civilized society requires orders and classes.

Stratification creates poverty. When times are hard, it is no longer the entire group that suffers: The elite takes what it thinks it is 'entitled' to take, and the underclass does without.

This is why classes exist (hence "divine order," or more accurately an institutionalized excuse for systemic exploitation of others by the most powerful). God is used as the ultimate "permission giver" for the elites, excusing their plundering, enslaving, and domination of the masses.

Beliefs like ...

Gays are unnatural; not in the order of nature as God made it to be male and female, together...

Athiests are evil because they don't see God as a king...

And anyone is evil if they don't see "family values" when a man is head of the household and owns a little kingdom and his wife and kids are his property serve to keep the social status quo unequal, unjust, unfair and oppressive.

Ancient Rome and Nazis also had this "nuclear family" model, The wife and kids were property of male head of household. This is the same crap the Christian Conservatives are spouting these days -- they want to go back to home feudalism. And if feudalism is a 'normal' lifestyle at home, then society will reflect it as "normal."

In Rome, fathers could beat, rape, kill their uppity wives and disobedient kids because the "right" of the 'dick-head of the household' to dominate the weaker was couched as "divine order." It was master and slave, morality deified.

But there is nothing divine about "divine order." The classism, elitism, and social hierarchy that conservatives tout as the "special" "glue" or bedrock of 'civilization' means they rely on maintaining a master/slaves morality to keep their own power stable. Basically, conservatism echoes the divine right of kings, and insists that the proper place for the "lower classes" is a life of poverty, desperation, xenophobia, ignorance, religion, and being bound in servitude. That is their 'divine order', and this self serving ugly, evil ideology is what conservatives believe holds civilizations together.

It is the supreme insult to humanity. All this lie does is concentrate power and keep the elites on top of this "divine order." Slavery is a natural part of divinity for these thuggish, entitled, well-off people. It's all part of the elites' plan, which they call "God's plan."

#4 Property and freedom are inseparably connected.

Basically this says, If you own it, you can do whatever you want with it. Other people who don't own it have no say in what you do with your property, lest their objections interfere with owners' or plunderers' property owners "freedom."

Beating and raping slaves, for example, is a divine right of an owner, when human beings are seen as "property." That is part of the owners' "freedom" and "property rights." Even today, human trafficking and certain industries create and reinforce the idea a human being is an object that can be used owned and sold (porn) as property of the 'owner'.

Remember it was not long ago (still is this way in some countries) when women were seen as property of their husbands/buyers. In those days and places, husbands had a right to beat their wives for not submitting, or for not cooking dinner on time. The wedding band is a symbolic remnant of this marriage bondage, and according to sociologist Stephanie Coontz, 'family' was a word that once meant a band of slaves.

"A wife is property that one acquires by contract, she is transferable, because possession of her requires title; in fact, woman is, so to speak, only mans appendage; consequently, slice, cut, clip her, you have all rights to her."
Honor De Balzac

"No written law has ever been more binding than unwritten custom supported by popular opinion."
Carrie Chapman Catt (1859-1947), in a speech at the Senate hearing on woman's suffrage, February 13, 1900

Read more...


http://www.unknownnews.org/060502a-Panther.html
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 04:30 PM
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50. Excellent post, Panther. I'm going to link to it
in a discussion I'm having on another forum, because it's totally consistent with my own preoccupations this past week concerning both politics and religion--and the interface between the two of them, of course.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 10:14 AM
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31. This is one issue I'm going to have to buy.
I cancelled after they named the chimp their person of the year in 2000. I think the only other Time issue I bought was after 9-11. This one looks too good to miss.

Awesome cover and pic of shrinking pukes. :thumbsup:
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mb7588a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 11:35 AM
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34. This is premature.
Those fuckers are resilient.
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TriMetFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:01 PM
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35. I agree.
The Democratic Party needs to keep hitting about what was the reason "WHY" The Fascist Republi-Con Party "Hide" the Foley on-line sex assault? Also Iraq and how our Dollar is worthless ect..... But the Sex sells.
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slaveplanet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:09 PM
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37. Yep , were dealing with a nest here
getting a little taste of honey, is not the same thing as eliminating the queens.

But I'd say the nest has been firmly swatted.
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:22 PM
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39. Time to start a brushfire in minds,
And burn the nest down..Once the wasps come out stinging, people will see something must be done a wasp nest is a menace if it invaddes your home(land) .
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hsher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 04:09 PM
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48. Nuke the Republicans from orbit. Only way to be sure.
Vasquez: All right. We got seven canisters of CN-20. I say we roll them in there and nerve gas the whole fucking nest.

Hicks: That's worth a try, but we don't know if it's going to affect them.

Hudson: Look, let's just bug out and call it even, okay? What are we talking about this for?
'Ripley: I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

Hudson: Fucking A!

Burke: Hold on one second. This installation has a substantial dollar value attached to it.

Ripley: They can bill me.

Burke: Okay, look. This is an emotional moment for all of us, okay? I know that. But let's not make snap judgments, please. This is clearly, clearly an important species we're dealing with and I don't think you or I or anybody has the right to arbitrarily exterminate them.

Ripley: Wrong.

Vasquez: Yeah. Watch us.

Hudson: Hey, maybe you haven't been keeping up on current events, but we just got our asses kicked, pal!

Burke: Look, I'm not blind to what's going on, but I cannot authorize that kind of action. I'm sorry.

Ripley: Well, I believe Corporal Hicks has authority here.

Burke: Corporal Hicks has...

Ripley: This operation is under military jurisdiction, and Hicks is next in chain of command. Am I right, Corporal?

Hicks: Yeah. Yeah, that's right.

Burke: Yeah. Look, Ripley, this is a multi-million dollar installation, okay? He can't make that kind of decision. He's just a grunt. Hicks, no offense.

Hicks: None taken. Ferro, do you copy?

Ferro: Standing by.

Hicks: Prep for dust off. We're going to need immediate evac.

Ferro: Roger. We're on our way.

Hicks: I say we take off, nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

- "Aliens", released 1986 by 20th Century Fox
Screenwriter: James Cameron
(c) 1985 Lightstorm Entertainment
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pretzel4gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:08 PM
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36. Time mag and the gopigmedia ARE the republican revolution....
and until the men who run the pigmedia are dead or in jail, nothing's different....
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PigeonPoop Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:29 PM
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40. I quit reading TIME long ago when they became a right
wing rag. Their Mann Coulter cover was enough to make me gag.
It was so nice to read this article, finally, this story is being told accurately.
The scariest part is that the pervos' almost got away with this. If Fordham was successful
in talking abc out of running the story, Mark, the snot vampire, Foley, would still lead his caucus.
How fu*ked up can these retardocans get?
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:37 PM
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41. Lord, I hope so, but I bet over at Newsweek, the headline will be...

Ice Cream

Still Delicious!

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Mrspeeker Donating Member (671 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 01:43 PM
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43. its not over tell DIEBOLD is over
the only votes that matter are the ones counted!
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 03:38 PM
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44. I think that saying "Sex, lies and power games are just the latest ...
... symptoms of a Republican party that has strayed from its ideals" is really an overstatement about a political party which had no intentions of ever fulfilling on its ideals, in fact never believed in those ideals and knew all along that the implied ideals were nothing but a sham! Examine them and see if you know any republican who would stick to these ideals unless it was he or she accomplishing them?

<snip>
Monday, June 28, 2004
Republican Oath

I'm a Republican Because...

I BELIEVE the strength of our nation lies with the individual and that each persons dignity, freedom, ability and responsibility must be honored.

I BELIEVE in equal rights, equal justice and equal opportunity for all, regardless of race, creed, sex, age or disability.

I BELIEVE free enterprise and encouraging individual initiative have brought this nation opportunity, economic growth and prosperity.

I BELIEVE government must practice fiscal responsibility and allow individuals to keep more of the money they earn.

I BELIEVE the proper role of government is to provide for the people only those critical functions that cannot be performed by individuals or private organizations and that the best government is that which governs least.

I BELIEVE the most effective, responsible and responsive government is government closest to the people.

I BELIEVE Americans must retain the principles that have made us strong while developing new and innovative ideas to meet the challenges of changing times.

I BELIEVE Americans value and should preserve our national strength and pride while working to extend peace, freedom and human rights throughout the world.

FINALLY, I believe the Republican Party is the best vehicle for translating these ideals into positive and successful principles of government.

http://www.gop.com/News/Read.aspx?ID=4324

Total and complete bullshit! The republican party and its leaders have violated every single one of these stated principles.
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PinkyisBlue Donating Member (617 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 11:41 PM
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56. These principles sound more like the Democratic Oath.
Since when do Republicans believe in equal rights, justice and opportunity for all, regardless of race, creed, sex, age and disability? Aren't they trying to dismantle public education rather than strengthen it, thereby denying entire populations the chance to obtain a solid education to better their lives? Haven't they worked to eliminate job protections for the disabled? A true Republican is a greedy, selfish SOB who cares only about his/her own rights and opportunities, especially when money is involved.

Since when do Republicans work to extend peace, freedom and human rights throughout the world? One word: Iraq. The Republicans are taking away the freedom and human rights of citizens in our own country, let alone the rest of the world.

You're right, the Republican Oath is a joke.
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hsher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 04:03 PM
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46. My God... this is an epitaph we're reading.
I wonder if the Republican Party is mentioned on Time's obituary page. All the magazine has to do is print the word "DEAD" in bold italicized TNR on page 90 or so, then paste in Tumulty's article verbatim.

Interesting her surname has the word "tumult" prominent in it.
Some things Carl Jung himself wouldn't even believe.


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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 04:05 PM
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47. This is it. If they steal the elections again, EVERYONE will know they did
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what now toons Donating Member (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 04:15 PM
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49. "The Grand Old Pervert Party" ( a cartoon )
The Grand Old Pervert Party ( a new cartoon)
When I saw the Fox news picture of Foley, with a (D)below his face, and then the Right Wing Blogs that were brought to my attention by, my blood started to boil. Damn these Lies and lying liars. I've had enough of this disinformation. That's why I tackled these Family Values hypocrites in my latest toon. Including the lies from Fox news that Foley was a Democrat! (arggg)! It's my hope that these brainwashed Family Value Voters will wake up and see the light, and either vote these monsters out of office or stay home hiding in shame over the fact that they decided to vote for someone over a few crummy slogans.
to see my Folly GOP cartoon, go to my website
www.whatnowtoons.com
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 04:34 PM
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51. Well if Time says so...
:eyes: Fucking motards should know it WASN'T a revolution - it was Newt's Contract On America. It was a fucking HIT CONTRACT not a revolution.

Get it right stupid 'journalists'.
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 04:35 PM
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52. Sex, lies and VIDEOtape..........
Edited on Sun Oct-08-06 04:37 PM by Dover
I'm all for it ending, but don't want them to just burrow down into their holes only to rise again.

Let's follow through on these scandels, lies, criminal activity AND video tapes until the perpetrators and traitors are all locked up where they belong.

Iran Contra and all that began to unfold back then was never checked, and so the same corrupt group simply RE-grouped and rose again, stronger and more insideous than before. Let's finish the work this time.

And here's another sex scandal that was not nipped in the butt (so to speak)

As much as no one wants to discuss this, it was likely one of THE issues that should have been brought fully to light from the get-go, and harkens back to the previous Reagan/Bush era that seems to have seeded so much evil.
http://www.voxfux.com/features/bush_child_sex_coverup/f...
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 05:50 PM
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53. Hubris, greed and Delay
the three deadly sins of the Republican party in the House. the Foley thing I don't concider the downfall because as the article says, it's just the cherry on top. The story wouldn't have had legs if the republicans were not already imploding. But, they were set awhile ago to end up like this due to the rule, nastiness and criminal enterprise DeLay ran in the House and insisting the other gop do likewise.
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 09:32 PM
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54. Reagan was their best shot?
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Pathetic! ... We've had three Rethuglican presidents in the past 26 years and two of them have been seriously brain damaged!
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Panda1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 10:05 PM
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55. Great cover
Edited on Sun Oct-08-06 10:42 PM by Panda1
n/t
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connecticut yankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:01 AM
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58. Suitable for framing
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oc2002 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:30 AM
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59. They never had any IDEALS, it was all tax cuts for the wealth.

Good bye to bad rubish. I hope the country, even the southerners have figured them boys out.

The GOP does not give a crap about you, your family or your future. Its all about the elite control for the GOP.
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:34 AM
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60. Freakin' liberal rag!
That'll be the right wingers' response. Anyone who speaks critically of any republican is always part of "the liberal media." It must be fun living in a world of fairy tales.

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neuvocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 11:12 AM
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61. "Revolution" is the wrong word for it.
It was never about ideals or reform in the first place. It was simply a power grab. Had it been a real revolution then we wouldn't have had to deal with wedge issues, government shutdowns, Props 187 and 209 and orphanages.
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 12:01 PM
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62. Spread This Far and Wide.....This Is Pissing off the Righties!!!!
I know, because I have seen them try to remove this story elsewhere.

NOMINATED!
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 01:55 PM
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63. Right WIngers are Flipping Out about This Article
They know they are beat with this.....
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MzNov Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 02:07 PM
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64. Never has a huge elephant butt looked so beautiful. nt
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 02:14 PM
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65. LOLOL!!! Ameropithecus Erectus, Habilis, Mississippius, Texanus,
Edited on Mon Oct-09-06 02:54 PM by Swamp Rat
and Ameropithecus Sus Porkbellius. :rofl:

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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 02:27 PM
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66. We should just take the elephant out to the back and shoot it.
It's done. Over with. Adios! It was fun while it lasted................ NOT!!!!
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KTinOhio Donating Member (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 04:26 PM
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67. I hate to be picky, but...
...according to the article (see page 3), the GOP had a 51-40 lead in the generic ballot just two months ago. This is false, of course; the GOP hasn't led the generic ballot all year, much less by 11 points. If the August figures were 51-40, the Democrats were in the lead. In other words, the shift in the past two months has been 4 points, not 26. Foleygate might be one more nail in the GOP coffin, but it wasn't the watershed some seem to think it was.
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