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lwin Donating Member (499 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-07-06 11:29 PM
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Phil Angelides kicked Arnold's butt tonight!
WOW, that was even better than I thought it would be, and I had high expectations for Phil.

Phil was articulate and well informed, fast on his feet, good sense of humor, and didn't miss a beat. He clobbered Ahhhnuld repeatedly on taxes, education, health care, the Bush Agenda...he was all OVER him.

SWEET! The next 29 days are going to be a BALL!

Ladies and gentlemen, let me introduce you to the next Governor of California...Phil Angelides!

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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-07-06 11:30 PM
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1. From your mouth to Diebold's ear.
Edited on Sat Oct-07-06 11:31 PM by aquart
Or God's. Whichever has more power to affect our elections.
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-07-06 11:31 PM
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2. kick
and I SOOOOO hope that you are right.
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-07-06 11:31 PM
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3. I had to go to a meeting; did I miss a debate?
Rats! I'm glad to hear that Phil did well!
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-07-06 11:32 PM
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4. Any transcripts or other info?
?
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lwin Donating Member (499 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-07-06 11:48 PM
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16. Some quotes
No transcript yet, but some of the comments (better in context of course, but you can get a flavor for it)


"You tried to privatize the pensions of police officers who risk their lives on the street for us." Angelides, to Schwarzenegger.

"It goes to who you can trust and whose bidding you're doing." Angelides, accusing Schwarzenegger of serving the demands of corporate backers.

"Gov. Schwarzenegger went on right-wing talk radio and praised the Minutemen." Angelides.

"You stood with President Bush and helped him get re-elected. And we didn't get a T-shirt." Angelides.

"Every day is just a hoot." Angelides, responding to a question from Schwarzenegger about the funniest moment in his campaign.

Phil, saying he would "close tax loopholes big enough for you to drive your Hummer through"

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2006/1...
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:06 AM
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21. Phil's got to come out swinging.
This election is too damned important to give Ahnold a pass.
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:27 AM
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26. self delete
Edited on Sun Oct-08-06 12:30 AM by K8-EEE
oops wrong thread, sorry!
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-07-06 11:33 PM
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5. The Freeps Thought Phil Was "Mean"
So, I figured he won....I WISH EVERYBODY IN CA WOULD SEE THE MOVIE, THE SMARTEST GUYS IN THE ROOM about Arnies meetings with Enron and the scheming before the recall. As a born & raised Angelino I am absolutely appalled at the fact that Arnie is ahead now after all his misdeeds.
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-07-06 11:35 PM
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6. "Mean".... Lol.... what Phoney Indignation
Mean?.... please
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-07-06 11:47 PM
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15. Samples:
*Stupid debate format. Stupid moderator. Stupid undecided focus group. Stuck on stupid. 'Scuse me while I go take some Excedrin.

*He reminds me of a certain left wing actor on L&O.

*Hey, Norm! We got Arnold or Angelides. That's it. Hold your nose and vote for Arnold. Yer bellyachin' is gettin' old, son. Vote for McClintock for Lt. Gov. and Anti-Moonbeam for AG and look at how far we've come. This IS California after all.

*Angelides wants to tax the oil companies.

*Go back to the horse and buggy days -- Angelides almost says.

*PHilth is Casey at the bat. This guy is whiffing..

*Westly was the one I thought would have made this a closer contest. Oh well..

*2010 will be real interesting.. we'll be deep in debt, running massive deficits.. should be fun..

I READ ALL THAT AND WENT, YAY PHIL WON!
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-07-06 11:59 PM
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19. lol... No Shit (nt)
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ocd liberal Donating Member (333 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:19 AM
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24. That movie should be required viewing
Edited on Sun Oct-08-06 12:20 AM by ocd liberal
for all Californians who let Gray Davis take the fall for Enron's pillaging of CA. I really thought Gray Davis was great, too...
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-07-06 11:35 PM
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7. I watched most of it, and I thought Phil did a much better job too.
Unfortunately, I don't live in Ca.

Arnold was just playing his movierole of Governor.

I'm afraida lot of people in Cajust might fall for the movie personality than the strong real person.
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-07-06 11:37 PM
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8. Sadly, we have more than our share of "morans"
Sigh...
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 01:06 AM
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33. Yeah No Kidding, And AMNESIACS!
Everyone forgets his awful (and defeated) "initiatives" because he puts on his Dem Costume when the elections come up? Gimme a break....it's embarassing to me as a Californian that this ape is actually winning in the polls.
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:49 AM
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29. how did you see it
if you don't live in cali? was it televised nationally?
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 07:10 AM
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39. It was broadcast on cspan. They also had several other debates televised
last night.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-07-06 11:39 PM
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9. Was it on C-Span?
I am furious with all the Democrats who are not supporting him as they should. I know Dean was there, and Kerry, and others I hope. But a lot of the Dem's major donors are going with Arnie.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-07-06 11:45 PM
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13. Yes it was on cspan, and they usually have the entire video
available on their site in a day or two. You might want to check.
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emdee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-07-06 11:39 PM
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10. It was hilarious!
At the end, each got to ask the other any question they wanted. First, Arnold asked Angelides the most humorous part of campaigning. Angelides then asked Arnold why he cut pensions and benefits for policeman, firemen, etc.

The whole thing, from start to finish, was very funny. The moderator was frustrated because they didn't follow his rules. I laughed throughout most of it. Angelides once told Arnold that he went to Ohio(?) with Bush to help him get reelected, but CA residents didn't even get a t-shirt!

Angelides was on his toes and won hands down!

I also watched the Ford, Jr and Corker debate. I felt that Ford, Jr won - Corker came off as a pompous smart-alec while Jr discussed the issues much more professionally and with much more knowledge and foresight, imo.

emdee
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-07-06 11:49 PM
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17. oOOH GREAT LINE ABOUT THE T-SHIRT!
And KEEP REMINDING everyone of Arnie's campaigning for Shrub, I cannot overstate how hated Shrub is in CA!
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-07-06 11:41 PM
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11. I saw most of it and found Phil to be assertive and quick.....
and Arnold to be slow and repetitive.

Also, Arnold looked "squat" in his chair.....while Phil sat up straight and made the best of the fact that Arnold's been taking steroids for years.

All in all, Phil won it.....just don't know if he won enough converts! I certainly hope so!
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-07-06 11:42 PM
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12. I'm just glad Phil has finally surfaced. He's been
so invisible since winning the primary that I'm sure many people didn't even realize Arnold had an opponent. Now I'm waiting for his tv ads to begin.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-07-06 11:45 PM
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14. Wooodamnwhooo! Hope he kicks B arnie's ass.
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lwin Donating Member (499 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-07-06 11:58 PM
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18. This is WHY we chose Phil to run for us!
He is a BRAWLER, smarter and faster than Ahhnuld and his goons put together. I know everyone has been frustrated by what seemed like a lackluster response to all the attack ads. The fact is that Ahnuld has spent $40 million dollars trying to slime Phil, and STILL hasn't been able to get over 45% in the polls. 45%, my friends, is a loser in the end.

Phil has replenished his war chest, and now the big guns come out the last 4 weeks of election - TV & direct mail blitz...of course in addition to the ground troops.

Gawd, it's starting to feel really good being a CALIFORNIA DEMOCRAT again!
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:04 AM
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20. The whores at Channel 9 local news in LA
played it up as a win for the Gropernator. The only segment they played was Arnold ragging on Angelides as the guy who wants to raise people's taxes. If you missed the debate and only saw this particular "news"cast, you'd get a very biased account. The whores love Arnold.
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 01:07 AM
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34. Channel 9, What A Joke
Well good thing nobody watches it. L.A. HATES Arnie, hated him before he was gov actually!
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Nutmegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:06 AM
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22. Turn CA BLUE!
DUMP AHHHHHNOLD!!!

Any recent polls?
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 02:43 AM
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36. Um, CA *is* blue.
but you're right, Arnold needs to go. Only reason he's doing well is because he's worked overtime to burnish his "moderate" credentials. This is a VERY Democratic state.
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Nutmegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 02:51 AM
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37. LOL my enthusiasm got the best of me.
Edited on Sun Oct-08-06 02:51 AM by Nutmegger
Of course I meant to governorship. :)
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 03:00 AM
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38. I know. I really hope Phil's campaign gets some traction.
It drives me crazy, too, when people go on about our "Liberal" media like the SF Chronicle- the paper that railroaded Kevin Shelley out of his job... and positively gushes over Ahh-nold.

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ocd liberal Donating Member (333 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:17 AM
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23. Thx for the update!
I've been watching "Elmo in Grouchland" all evening. We CA parents appreciate the news. Go Phil!!
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keepCAblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:27 AM
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25. Fox Channel 2 carried it in the Bay Area. Did anyone notice...
Edited on Sun Oct-08-06 12:28 AM by keepCAblue
when Arnold was answering a question, there was this quick jump in the tape--an obvious editing splice. If you blinked you'd have missed it but both I and my partner said "WTF?" when it happened. I'm seriously thinking Fox may have done some fast and sleazy editing to help make Ahnold look better.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:38 AM
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27. It's time for Californians to dump the Gropenator.
:kick:
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:47 AM
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28. oh shit, i missed it!!!!!
two big boxing matches on tonite, so not a chance i'd see it. i'm sure that was well-planned by arnold! wasn't this also a big ncaa football nite too? :grr: will this be retelevised?
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Peggy Day Donating Member (859 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:51 AM
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30. Isn't this the only one? nt
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QuidditchFan Donating Member (299 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:52 AM
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31. That was the first time I had seen Angelides and...
I'm very impressed. I hope that we see a lot more of him on the airwaves, or Arnold is going to run away.

In my biased judgment, Angelides clobbered Arnold, but I was judging on substance, which could be the critical flaw of my judgment.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:55 AM
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32. Right on!
Just got a mailer from the CA. Police Association. They are endorsing Anglelides. No big surprise. So will the firemen, nurses, teachers and Hispanics. Believe me. The polls are being manipulated. He is one, unpopular dude in this state.
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Califooyah Operative Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 02:39 AM
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35. He Sure Did! - Support Phil!
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lwin Donating Member (499 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 10:41 AM
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40. a little kickety kick for Phil
I'm still so happy about how well he did!

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