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nam78_two Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 04:23 PM
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Detainee bill shows "Libertarians" like Instapundit for what they are
The RW "independent libertarian" shills like Instapundit, John Stossel etc.

Isn't this the type of issue where a real libertarian should be screaming outrage? You always see them screaming about "rights" if there is a smoking ban in restaurants or a ban on trans-fats etc.

Where is their outrage over the most important rights of all pray?

From that Glenn Reynolds http://www.instapundit.com :
The last argument is silly, as we haven't had an enemy that respected the Geneva Conventions in my lifetime, and aren't likely to have one any time soon. And if our enemies' disregard for the laws of war doesn't justify us acting similarly, then it's not clear why any behavior on our part would justify a departure from the Conventions on the part of some hypothetical future enemy.

As for the rest, I don't understand the admissibility of evidence before December 30. It seems to me that it's either wrong or it's not, and that an arbitrary date doesn't make wrong conduct right, or right conduct wrong.

I've seen some people calling this an abolition of habeas corpus, but as I understand it, habeas is suspended only with regard to non-citizens. This removes a key danger of abuse, since the potential politically-motivated abuses that are most worrisome involve U.S. citizens, not aliens. And Congress quite explicitly has the Constitutional power to suspend the writ of habeas corpus, though whether this counts as a "suspension" of the writ is open for debate. Like Orin Kerr, I'm not an expert on habeas and thus don't have a lot more to say about it.

At any rate, I can't say I'm surprised that it worked out this way, as this is pretty consistent with polls I've seen on public attitudes.


Has the libertarian party even issued a statement :shrug:?


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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 04:49 PM
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1. Libertarians - far right wing republicans who smoke pot.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 04:53 PM
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2. Or, more accurately, assholes who just wanna do whatever they wanna
do whenever they wanna do it, and the hell with everyone else.
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nam78_two Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 04:58 PM
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3. accurate description/nt
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madmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 05:00 PM
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4. And snitch on everyone else.
See, look, look at that bad guy! Can I smoke pot now?
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 05:03 PM
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5. Gee last time I checked Congress could ONLY suspend in rebellion/invasion:
"The privilege of the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in cases of rebellion or invasion the public safety may require it."

That is after all what the CONSTITUTION SAYS, but who the hell gives a shit about that anymore?
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