Clinton backed Repuke apologist's into a corner.

[maxrandb]

Caught a little of a hate-radio person yesterday (who will remain nameless). He was echoing *'s "talking points", listing all the previous attacks (Kobar Towers, WTC 1993, embassy bombings, USS COLE) and repeated the "we weren't in Iraq and they still attacked us" line.

My first thought, as I'm sure was the first thought of many Americans was; "what they hell does that have to do with Iraq".

Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, USS COLE, embassy bombings, Kobar Towers, etc. By bringing this up and getting them on the defensive, Clinton has forced the Repuke liars to surrender on one of their key arguments, that Iraq is part of the GWOT. Brilliant.

All you need to do to refute the argument is to repeat all of those terrorist attacks and ask; "what the hell do they have to do with Iraq".

He's forced them to separate the GWOT from the Iraq War.

I know that logic and intelligent thought are lost on the 25 "percenters", but the majority of Americans are going to realize that this entire fiasco in Iraq HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PEOPLE THAT ATTACKED US.

[madokie]

1. we're hoping thats going to be true.

[yellerpup]

2. Good argument!

What the hell do they have to do with Iraq? Nice way to dump a whole list of diversions. K&R! :kick:

[JustFiveMoreMinutes]

3. Military bases in Saudi Arabia

Doesn't anyone else remember bin Laden's diatribe about WHY he HATED the US? Or was I living in a different parallel-universe when all that information came out? (If so, I hope the time-line shifts back really soon).

Anyway, IF they attacked and we WERENT in IRAQ... big DUH, there is more to this than just using MILITARY FORCE against a nation.
Using military force only poured gasoline on a brush fire... the WHOLE FOREST is now in danger.

[Cassandra]

7. Rummy the appeaser...

scooted us out of those VERY expensive Saudi bases really quickly.

[orwell]

4. Nice catch...

...but they will spin it and say that Iraq is NOW part of the GWOT.

You can't change the mind that is made up.

After all, reality and facts are not part of the GWOT, only the perpetuation of existing corrupt global institutional power structures.

[maxrandb]

10. Thank God for Keith Olberman

His piece the other day about what the Bush administration had not done in the eight months they were in office was "compelling", to say the least.

I think Clinton helped the Repukes open this Pandora's Box, and they are desparate to close it.

Clinton required the American people to put him and Bush side-by-side.

The Repukes know that comparison and contrast between the two make * look petty, vindictive, imcompetent, stupid, arrogant and weak. That's the thing about arrogance...you'd better be able to back it up with action, or you simply look like a fool in over your head.

[Dhalgren]

5. Right. the two memes don't go together and it is beginning to show.

"We're fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them here"

"Iraq has nothing to do with the terrorists wanting to attack us."

These two statements grate against one another. They do not fit into the same logical context. This is making the Dictator and his minions look even more out of touch and dim - as well as dishonest...

[BOSSHOG]

6. I see the connectivity and that makes bush much more evil in my mind

bush was sitting around the summer of 2001 with his thumb up his ass waiting for some cataclysmic event to occur so he would have a reason sanctioned by his moron base to attack Iraq. He and his PNAC bubbas did not go to Iraq to fight terror and the fight against terror never came into the equation. Just where are those architects wolfowitz and pearle. I sure as hell wouldn't want those morons planning anything for me.

May I embellish your question?

"Why are you such a fucking idiot that you think terrorist attacks have anything to do with Iraq? Is it because you lack the intellectual curiousity to turn off limbaugh or is it because you are too fucking proud to admit you were wrong all along and your continued support of bush continues to get our kids killed? bush backers, a significant domestic enemy of our constitution.

[maxrandb]

9. Here's something else that has the wing-nuts shaking in their

loafers. (Only real men wear boots)

Clinton is forcing the American people to ask some very pointed questions to themselves.

- Would the Clinton Administration have demoted the Terrorism Expert from a cabinet position?

- Would the Clinton Administration have continued on their 6 week vacation when given a PDB that says Bin Laden determined to strike spectacularly in America?

- Would Clinton have sat there for 7 full minutes reading "My Pet Goat", while his fellow Americans were leaping to their deaths from the 82ND floor of the WTC?

- Just who was in office on September the 11TH, 2001?

And perhaps the question that is most obvious, and most terrifying for the Repukes...

If Clinton had still been in office, would the attacks on 9/11 have even happened?

[bigbrother05]

8. W (il)logic:

We got attacked all those times by terrorists when we weren't in Iraq. We're in Iraq now and terrorists still attack. So the NIE is wrong (naive) to say that the terrorists are attacking because of Iraq.

Huh? Doesn't hold together as a paragraph, much less as a logical argument.

Same kind of flawed logic * and his neocon horde used to justify their war in the first place. Throw out some unrelated data, wave your hands around about being in danger (Will Robinson), then blame it all on someone you don't like, i.e. Saddam, Clenis, etc.

The sheeple will only hear the danger and blame parts until someone they know and/or love comes home in a box or riding in a chair.

Is it time to go home yet? It's cold and dark out here in the wilderness.