Condi Rice - on the verge of collapse?

[ChairmanAgnostic]

This woman has never faced adversity. She has been coddled and protected and brought to this administration by big oil. And now they want payback. Pity that everything she has touched has turned to shit.

Since being made Nat. Sec. Advisor, every task she has been handed, she has fucked up. Since she was promoted to SexState, it has only gotten worse. Recall her embarrassment over lebanon. Remember her 2nd stint in charge of IraqNam reconstruction. Recall her words about Afghanistan. Remember how she has blown it with every opportunity.

Now that Clinton is speaking up, I sense that she is becoming very nervous. Deep inside, she is a shallow, not very bright and spoiled child. After being protected from the real world since college, she is finally (for the first time) coming to the realization that her idiotic decisions and policies are leading to a fiasco for the nation. Now that she is being called to task for her many failures, i do not think that she can take the heat. Watch for her collapse. Soon. At a theater near you.

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[ChairmanAgnostic]

3. but she is also a true believer in all things Bush.

and those types of delusions do not come easily to someone with brains.

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[ChairmanAgnostic]

36. I hear where you are coming from but recall Colin's UN fiasco.

HE chose to say that. HE chose to stay loyal to Bush for 6 yrs. HE chose to join this administration and stick with it - when a real person of honor would have resigned for several reasons.

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[Buzz Clik]

9. Good assessment.

Much more rational than the OP.

[peacetalksforall]

13. Not a neocon? She is as vile as Cheney and lies more than.

Cheney or Rumsfeld. Money? It doesn't make any difference if she is after money, prestige, or power/control.

She is from Chevron and may be after the CEO position and be on the Board at Carlyle - - - whether or not she is interested in money.

Perhaps mental stress means she has a micro dot of conscience. Anyone who lies like she does has to have stress.

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[Dhalgren]

18. Colin Powell is a lying, traitorous dog - and in that respect Condi

is quite like him...

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[Dhalgren]

21. Every dead US troop, every wounded US troop, every

dead and injured innocent Iraqi is on the liar Colin Powell's head - along with Condie, Rumsfeld, Cheney , Bush, et al. I served my country, too, and at a time when Powell was constructing his lies regarding My Lai. His "long service" to this country was never "honorable", just profitable for him. I am a working class man, from a working class family, from a long line of working and peasant class people - why wouldn't I respect Marx?

[IChing]

23. Honor, Powell and My Lia are not words that go together well

Death of thousands of Iraqis is not what I call honorable or a hero.
Lying to the UN is not what I call honorable or a hero.

He is not quite a war criminal like the rest of the cabal but fits very close to the profile.

Now, Rice is a war criminal and a liar.

[Gabi Hayes]

27. speaking of serving one's country, I assume that this email comes to

us from either Iraq or South Waziristan, correct?

if not, why not?

and don't give your age/physical condition as an excuse

what's up, komrad?

[spanone]

30. !

[samsingh]

33. Powell lied through his teeth to the UN

had he resigned, bush would not have been able to do the things he did.

i don't see how powell served his country in this and other things.

rice lies all the time

[Hawkowl]

38. Benedict Arnold

Did you know that Benedict Arnold was a revolutionary war hero--before he turned traitor. Now do you still refer to Benedict Arnold as a war hero? No. History regards him as a traitor. Colin Powell is very similar to Benedict Arnold. It doesn't mean a rats ass what he did before lying us into war. That is what he will be remembered for, betraying everything in which he purportedly believed. Carefully winning the trust and loyalty of the common soldiers and officer corps (as well as the American people) and brutally sacrificing them for his own aggrandizement.
So, yes lying and traitorous. Dog? No. It is an insult to dogs.

[peacetalksforall]

29. I have to agree with the unhonorable opinion of Powell.

He had a chance to to rectify My Lai a little by choosing not to sit in front of the United Nations Assembly and lie about weapons of mass destruction. He had plenty of opportunites to right his wrongs. He didn't take any of them - with one possible exception. It is possible he resigned from the WH.

I believe everyone should count up the money and bodies that have been contributed by coalition partners, all the money that has been stolen from the citizens to secretly fund the PNAC-Iraq war, and all the death and destruction of their citizens and our kids - then calculate his share.

[bobthedrummer]

42. Colin Powell and Iran/Contra

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2000/121900b.html

Condoleeza Rice is a "product" of SRI who's "shelf life and placement" has also just about run its course.

The best and the brightest of the shadow government are burning-out because the light of the truth is everywhere.

[peacetalksforall]

26. Baker in the administration? He doesn't have to be. Why mess

up his fortunes and wealth with a roadblack of laws when he is the numero uno lawyer to get the Bushes out of trouble and to find a way to save their behinds by manipulation of the laws? And it is not exactly like they can't pay him.

He prosecuted and fought to have a criminal act made official when he helped in the manipulation of shortcutting the recount in Florida - to start with. He didn't sit there and listen to others feed him methods and suggestions. He was probably the key person in 'talking' to Judge Rehnquist - to get the whole thing set up. He paved the way. Do you think he is innocent of the vote frauds?

Do you think he is innocent in the other thousand things that Bush has gone up against the law about - possibly even including the throwing out of the Geneva Convention? He undoubtedly works before the lawsuit as well as after.

He is a major Carlyle policy setter.

I can't believe you are kinda considering him as an honorable person. My opinion is not in sync with yours?

When someone writes the book about Baker - it won't be a single volume - it will be a multi-multi- volume set - if they uncover all the 'stuff' he has been involved in.

Prove me wrong, but I think the only thing decent about him is his suit. Just imo.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

34. Baker's is the (barely) public face of a powerful private group

and even then, he avoids the limelight better than a sex abusing catholic priest - who morally is probably far more likely to be forgiven his sins than Baker.
He is manipulating, controlling and part of a group that is rich, greedy, evil and destructive to democracy here and elsewhere.

[Cha]

55. I don't know what the first

poster said because the name has been removed but it looks like there was a question of whether condiLIAR was a neoCON or not and that's just too obvious to even be in question. Of course, conjob is a little nasty neocon.

And I think the OP is brilliant in his assessment!

[Wilber_Stool]

2. I bet it's her shoes............n/t

[asjr]

7. I think you are correct. Those

army surplus stiletto heels can really pinch!

[AndyA]

4. I'll look forward to it. I hope it has a release date prior to the

November elections. How great would that be?

Bush bombs Iran.

Condi collapses.

Cheney goes into hiding.

Voters go to the polls and boot our GOP butts.

Sounds like a cinema epic to me! :thumbsup:

[savemefromdumbya]

6. how can she stand up there and lie?

she was one of the instigators of 9/11

[Bucky]

8. Define "blown it" in this context, please. On second thought... don't

Okay, that was a cheap shot. I don't think she's unbright or all that shallow. What she is is intoxicated with access, enthralled with undeserved power, and surrendered to a moral denial of her responsibility to all the public. She's a bad person making bad judgments. But she's not stupid; just dumb.

[tridim]

10. I've never thought she was very bright

It was solidified when I heard her very average "concert piano" performance. Everyone seemed to imply that she was some sort of musical prodigy.

What I can't figure out is why she hasn't quit. She must be in love with power.

[sui generis]

11. her single biggest problem in that she's profoundly passive aggressive

it colors her entire value system and expectation she places on the world around her.

Every time she speaks in passive voice or "suggests" that "they know what they did wrong", or "they know what they need to do", without saying what that is, she sounds like the proverbial stereotype.

It's not acceptable to be unclear or evasive as secretary of state, period. That's what the job requires, regardless of your education or background.

[Supersedeas]

41. yea, i can see that.

[Cleita]

12. She is a Sovietologist, which in this day and age is like

being the drummer on a trireme. She never went back to the university to update herself on world politics. She's totally incompetent to do her job. I believe our shadow government likes their government puppets that way. It's so much easier to steal and grab power in the chaos that they create.

When the BushCo crash comes, and it will come, I want her on trial alongside Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld et al. I want them on the stand testifying whom is really in charge of our country. The Saudis? The Chinese? Whom?

[ChairmanAgnostic]

40. I read that someone here once posted some portions of it.

Apparently it was not very well written. Unfortunately, I have not been able to find that thread.

[ProfessorGAC]

47. I Read It

I got it through the university library network. Dreadful. I would expect better from a 3rd year undergrad student. The conclusions are specious, not supported by the data, and the data is cherry-picked to support the original premise.

It's astounding that it past the muster of review.
The Professor

[ProfessorGAC]

48. Triplicate Post

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[ProfessorGAC]

49. Triplicate Posts

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[Fierce]

46. Not only that, her Russian makes me squirm.

nt

[ChairmanAgnostic]

56. right after her promotion, when she went to Russia

a friend of mine (a prof translater and interpreter) was sent by State as well.
The Russians had a HUGE welcome mat, figuratively and had planned radio and TV coverage to show off their new friend's famous russian skills.

boy were they surprised.

[sui generis]

50. drummer on a trireme

I love it.

[The_Casual_Observer]

15. This condi person has been way over her head from the beginning.

National Security advisor at the time of the 9/11 attacks isn't something to be proud of.

[Felinity]

16. What is your source? Edit: First to K& R--anyone else?

Just curious; I do not like Condi one bit. I agree with your assessment of her. Her incompetence knows no bounds. (And I think her love affair with W has added to the pain, surely.)

Are you picking this up intuitively, from behavioral cues, or are people talking?

[BrotherBuzz]

19. It's not rocket science - Rice is the poster girl for the reich

She is a powerful icon, yet in substance her persona is completely impotent, delivering the PR message designed by her corporatist puppet masters.

Having an afro-American Secretary of State for a fascist junta imposed by sequential coups is the ultimate hypocrisy. She is the perfect disguise. How does one address a walking, talking, living, breathing lie? She is an animated programed Potemkin village for a society and foreign policy based upon brutal force, inequity, racism, and class warfare.

[Dhalgren]

24. "She is an animated programed Potemkin village" - excellent!

Beautifully put! She IS the personification of a "Potemkin Village"! Bravo!

[ChairmanAgnostic]

61. this comes from studying her behavior every chance I had,

especially after her embarressment concerning Lebanon. If you look at old video, say circa 2002, there was little or no head shaking. Now, everytime she talks, her head goes left to right repeatedly with every statement. I'm no psych, but I suspect that she is finally realizing that her tales and tail are in trouble. She is a very, very small person. Stress can kill her. Or drive her nuts

[Felinity]

62. Thanks, and that reminds me

Until recently, maybe the past 6-12 months, every time she talked it sounded like someone was strangling her. I assumed that it was a subconscious mechanism because she was always lying. Lately, not so much. So either 1) she got some voice coaching, 2) she's no longer lying, or 3) lying no longer causes severe internal conflict. Fair bet that it's not 2!

Have you been making note of that?

[ChairmanAgnostic]

64. yeah. Still, her speaking cadence is disturbing.

When I was researching the incidence of untreated mental illness in midwestern prisons, I noted a few committed liars who spoke the same way.

[Felinity]

66. Interesting

I just knew you had some observational data to share!

Nothing like the combination of a weak mind and a strong ego, with just a splash of narcissism--quite the little cocktail to make a patsy drunk with power.

[ljm2002]

22. One can only hope...

...unfortunately, I don't see her being "called to task" at all. Every lie she states, is left unchallenged. If one, just one newsperson would throw some hard hitting questions her way then yes, maybe then I would agree with you because I think she *is* actually quite brittle.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

25. She has a schoolgirl crush on "Dumbya" - hard as that is to believe.

[Disturbed]

32. She is useless for America but useful for

the Busholini Regime. She is a puppet that very few will challenge, especially the Media whores.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

57. but why? fear of racism, sexism claims?

I have never understood the pass she has gotten on every single failure and mistake she committed.

[oasis]

28. "Jersey Girl", Kristin Britweiser isn't done with Condi either. (eom)

[Felinity]

63. Got a link? I'd like to read up on that. N/T

[City Lights]

31. Time to go shoe shopping!

;-)

I hope her insides are being eaten away.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

35. I believe that has started orally already.

of course, slighty higher regions of her skull are also quite eroded. That much is obvious from her oblivious performance.

I just LOVE MSM. They promote her as a second coming of the Virgin Madon er, Mary. They have never reviewed her performance honestly - not once.
I think I will write C-Span and recommend that they do a segment just on that issue - her incompetent performance. Frankly, I would be better off if I pass my letter through this palce before I send it. Hmmmmmmm. (that burning smell is the mind waking up to all sorts of possibilities)

[saltpoint]

37. Dr. Rice should never have left the keyboard.

She is an accomplished pianist.

That is a singular, considerable accomplishment, and she ought not to have abandoned it.

She's a Russian expert trying to preside over a Middle Eastern tragedy she significantly helped to create.

And she has been less than truthful before Congressional committees.

And the press.

[radwriter0555]

39. Condi's first & fatal flaw is that she's IMPRESSED with bush. She's like a

fan around a movie star.. "ohmygawd! I just met RUSSELL CROWE!" the truth that he's a misogynist control freak going RIGHT over her head, because after all, he's been in MOVIES.

Well, she thinks of bush the same way and she can't BELIEVE that she's (squeaking here) actually part and parcel of the whole entourage!

She is blinded by the light... she's star-struck and as such, has no idea she's being used as a scape goat. Okay, maybe by NOW she knows she's being fukced up the *** while her hair is being stroked, but, she's too far in it. She has no choice but to BE the tool she was intended for.

She's nothing more than a traitorous whore who sold out the USA for power and glory. Her hands are as bloody as every other traitor who's allied with the bush regime.

[catmandu57]

43. She is the weakest link

I think she'll be the first to break down, if pressure is put on her she won't be able to take it. If our media ever wakes up and does it's job she'll break down and squeal like the piggie she is.
Look for her to choke on a pretzel anytime.

[sui generis]

51. we need to vote that whole cabinet off the island /nt

[ChairmanAgnostic]

53. never saw that show. But I agree with the sentiment

[arewenotdemo]

44. one can hope

Of course, Bush would probably replace her with Elliot Abrams (or at least try to).

And THAT snake is hard to kill.

[lonestarnot]

45. Did anyone here have high expectations for a beaver who whistles

through its teef?

[malaise]

52. She's been falling on those fancy shoes since

the Lebanon fiasco. That was her second Katrina moment. This is the end.

[Akoto]

54. Can't blame her, what with that hard-hitting Couric interview.

:eyes:

[ChairmanAgnostic]

58. I was too embarrassed. I had to turn it off.

the lack of professionalism was appalling.

[Blackhatjack]

59. Her Claim To Fame is Referring to Bush as Her "Husband"...

...unless you count shoe shopping while people were drowning in New Orleans.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

60. kicked - a great discussion about condi here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2232761

[mwb970]

65. Rice is absolutely worthless. AND she's a liar!

When I heard her say how she and King George did "more than Clinton" to get Osama, while not offering a single example (there aren't any; Olbermann checked), I almost lost my lunch.

It is clear that Rice is a craven, unscrupulous tool who will say anything (and I mean anything) that her beloved King tells her to, without the slightest concern for whether it is true.

I had high hopes for her. Sorry, she's scum, just like all the rest.


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