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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 08:52 AM
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"The 9-11 Commission Report" refutes Rice's Claims


Page 197 (paperback edition- Chapter "Threat To Threat, Sec. 6.3 Attack on the Uss Cole"):

"As the Clinton administration drew to a close, Clarke and his staff developed a policy paper of their own, the first such comprehensive effort since the Delenda plan of 1998. The resulting paper, entitled "Strategy for Eliminating the Threat from the Jihadist Networks of al Qida: Status and Prospects" reviewed the threat and record to date, incorporated the CIA's new ideas from the Blue Sky memo, and posed several near-term policy options".

<snip>

page 200

Rice made an initial decision to hold over both Clarke and his entire counter terrorism staff... She decided also that Clarke should retain title of national counter terrorism coordinator, though he would no longer be a de facto member of the Principals Committee on the issues.

page 201

"Within the first few days after Bush's inauguration, Clarke approached Rice in an effort to get her- and the new President- to give terrorism very high priority and to act on the agenda that he had pushed during during the last few months of the previous administration. After Rice requested that all senior staff identify desirable major policy reviews or initiatives, Clarke submitted an elaborate memorandum on January 25, 2001. He attached his 1998 Dlenda Plan and the December 2000 strategy paper. "We urgently need... a Principals level review on the al Qida network", Clarke wrote."

and plenty more if you read on.

Condi, you ought to read the report before you open your lying mouth.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 08:54 AM
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1. huge donkey kick for ya'
:kick:
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Rambis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 02:43 PM
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35. kick it hard
:kick:
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 01:13 AM
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54. agin
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pberq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 08:55 AM
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2. Kick & Nominated
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skypilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 08:55 AM
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3. What did she say?
Edited on Tue Sep-26-06 08:56 AM by skypilot
Are you talking about her appearance on 60 Minutes? I tried to watch it but was completely disgusted when she tried to compare the situation of the Iraqis to that of Americans slaves. I couldn't watch after that.
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5X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 08:56 AM
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4. Another K & R and this needs to be put up widely. n/t
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 08:56 AM
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5. Lying comes easy for a natural. Beaver is a natural.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 08:59 AM
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6. npincus- outstanding, well done
Recommended.

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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 09:03 AM
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7. Lie Condi lie
It's what you and the rest of Bushco do best.
The Rethugs can no longer keep up with their lies. Damn this is fun :popcorn: :popcorn: :rofl:

These fuggers are now on the defensive. Let's see what they can come up with to change the discussion.
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 09:07 AM
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8. Maybe the flaks at the NYPost
should remove their heads from the presidential butthole
long enough to read up on the facts
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bluedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 09:08 AM
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9. *read the Headline**********
*read the Headline**********

Clinton did not leave plans to fight al Qaeda: Rice


Did YOU Spot the Blatant LIE? Did You?


Look at the headline ... go ahead.

Clinton did not leave plans says Rice.

Got that?

Are you sure?

Okay ...

Read this quote:
"We were not left a comprehensive strategy to fight al Qaeda," Rice said in a transcript of her comments released by the State Department.

"For instance, big pieces were missing, like an approach to Pakistan that might work, because without Pakistan you weren't going to get Afghanistan," Rice said.

Got THAT?

Header is misleading (I'm understating here!)

Rice ADMITS the Clinton administration DID LEAVE a plan to fight al Qaeda. WHY? Because she could not claim "big pieces" were missing in something that DIDN'T EXIST.

Okay ... that was blatant.

NOW ... Can you spot the REAL LIE?

It's about Pakistan ... IF you know anything then you know that Pakistan has refused to allow US troops into the border regions SINCE 9-11 occurred and Musharraf remains firm on that so ...

READ AGAIN what she said ... without Pakistan you weren't going to get Afghanistan.

ISN'T THAT exactly what we DID?


THIS WOMAN IS LYING THROUGH HER TEETH.

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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 09:31 AM
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11. Easy enough ... she has a bigger gap
than David Letterman's ...
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GaYellowDawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 09:34 AM
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14. "THIS WOMAN IS LYING THROUGH HER TEETH. "
That's what the big fucking gap is for.
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Scriptor Ignotus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 01:27 PM
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24. bwahahahahhah!
love it. :rofl:
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civildisoBDence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 02:53 PM
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36. Now now, that was totally out of line.
Just like her teeth!

Newsprism
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 06:55 PM
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51. 9-11 Report shows Rice again lying to protect GOP from losing elections
They're all desperate and say anything to reflect the truth!
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 05:38 AM
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56. So why did Clinton vote to confirm her in 2005? They KNEW she was lying.
It's apparent the Clintons knew she was lying from the get go about 9-11, so why did they continue to support her and Bush and even have Hillary vote to confirm her in 2005 for Sec of State, fer chrissakes?
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BlueJac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 09:09 AM
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10. Impossible to change their spots.....
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 09:31 AM
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12. The notion that facts are more than historical boogie men is flatly
false...right Dr. of Russian Diplomacy?
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go west young man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 09:32 AM
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13. Kicked and recommended!
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FoxOnTheRun Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 09:36 AM
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15. 911 report is a tissue of lies written by people with confl. of interest
Here my favorite quote

"To date, the US government has not been able to determine the origin of the money used for the 9/11 attacks. Ultimately the question is of little practical significance"


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

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FoxOnTheRun Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 09:42 AM
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18. Like, nobody could have imagined flying airplanes into buildings?
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Thoreau-Ly Donating Member (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 03:55 PM
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37. By "confl."
Do you mean confluence of interest?

"No one could have imagined" we'd ever have another Warren Commission.

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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 07:02 PM
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52. Someone must ask Rice to explain 9-11 reporting in favor of Clinton!
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 12:44 PM
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61. K&R
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Raffi Ella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 09:37 AM
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16. Condi aint interested in the truth.
She and the rest of the (p)Residents men were too busy spinning their NeoCON agenda to protect this country then and the same truth holds true to this very day.



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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 09:39 AM
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17. Condi has become a skilled liar for her faux patriotic compadres.
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 10:11 AM
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19. Oh, cut that out. You sound "reality-based"....!
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 10:12 AM
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20. but but but nobody actually READS THAT
Everyone just PRETENDS to read it.
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Marnieworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 10:22 AM
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21. So lies from the Secretary of State can be refuted on Amazon?
We no longer have a 4th estate. There are no more journalists. The media is officially propaganda. It's Orwellian when they state such obvious falsehoods knowing that no one will ever call them on it. The official story will be what they want it to be.

This is not her first lie. Remember:

No one ever could imagine planes flying into buildings?
The PDB (which Ms. aggressively fighting terror in 2001 hadn't even read before 9/11) was only a "historical" document?

Mushroom cloud?

Do they ever discuss and analyze her? No. They talk about a future Presidential candidacy or running the NFL. If Clinton's outburst doesn't start a new era of actually discussing things as they happened vs. how the Bush administration wishes things happened we have truly crossed over.

Anyone paying any attention in 2001 can remember that terrorism was so Bill CLinton. The new regime was all about missile defense remember? It wasn't a list of priorities of the DOJ. They started a comittee to come up with recommendations to deal with terrorism (after throwing out CLinton's just because it was Clinton's) and the committee never ever met. How is that aggressive? Will anyone point this out?

:mad: :banghead:

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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 12:31 PM
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22. NSA's 'pre 9-11 policy shift' mentioned by Greg Palast in article
Edited on Tue Sep-26-06 12:33 PM by EVDebs
titled Khan Job also refutes Condi. Check it out !

www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=312

"A top-level CIA operative who spoke with us on condition of strictest anonymity said that, after Bush took office, "There was a major policy shift" at the National Security Agency. Investigators were ordered to "back off " from any inquiries into Saudi Arabian financing of terror networks, especially if they touched on Saudi royals and their retainers. That put the Bin Ladens, a family worth a reported $12 billion and a virtual arm of the Saudi royal household, off limits for investigation. Osama was the exception; he remained a wanted man, but agents could not look too closely at how he filled his piggy bank. The key rule of any investigation, "follow the money," was now violated, and investigations-at least before September 11-began to die. "

Condi say 'oopie' ?
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 05:15 PM
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44. The Saudi/Bush family connection could be
why the capture of Bin Lden was not whole heartedly pursued by Bush. Do they know something about the Bush family dealings that the public shouldn't know?? Pressure by the Saudis to ease up on Bin Laden?? There is certainly something fishy why Bush is conspicuously loyal and loving with the Saudis.
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vickitulsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 06:16 PM
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48. What the Saud family knows about the Bushes...
could no doubt fill many ledgers if the CIA waterboarded a few of them in custody, don'tcha think? :evilgrin:

Like with most mergers of wicked and powerful entities, it would only take one major blow-up between the two for either of them to turn on the other in a heartbeat, I figure.

Little wonder that the Bu$hCo klan wanted to ward off any investigations that might have put the Saudis in the middle of a squeeze play.


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GETPLANING Donating Member (370 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 01:15 PM
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23. This is the same Condi Rice who testified-
"no one thought terrorists would hijack airplanes and slam them into buildings". Condi Rice has the credibility of a scorpion.
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bluerum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 01:29 PM
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25. She is making a new reality. nt
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 01:36 PM
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26. why does she get a continual free pass from the M$M? who does she
think she is, Laura?
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 05:51 AM
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57. Why does she get a free pass? Because she's a black woman
and that's probably a lot of the reason for her exalted position in the BFEE. They figured she'd be untouchable and be the last one to get called on her lies and so far, they've been right.

I got accused of racism by a Freeper on another board after I said something critical about Condiliar, and I hadn't even mentioned her race!
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DUBYASCREWEDUS Donating Member (195 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 01:40 PM
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27. Condi the Incompetent
tells a whole peck of lies in an article currently running on the MSNB home page. This article was published today by the AP. I am not computer literate enough to copy and paste at this site. They really need to have a score card to keep up with their lies.
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Justice Is Comin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 01:46 PM
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28. If you hooked up any one of these cretins to a lie detector test,
the machine would start smoking.

It wouldn't matter which one of them it was. I get so mad, I want to spit nails.
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 01:47 PM
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29. Thank you!
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rrasile Donating Member (214 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 01:54 PM
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30. Condi
well I'll bet that senator Allen has a graphic name for her.
She's only doing her job, beside she may be a lier but she not the best.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 01:59 PM
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33. A big thank you to all the Dems that voted for her.
The Media Whores could have easily challenged her lies with documented facts but they didn't. Hmmmmmmm... Wonder why they didn't?
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 01:56 PM
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31. We all know Kindasleezy is a lying sack of shit.
Now everyone else should know it too.
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E-Z-B Donating Member (438 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 01:57 PM
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32. I can't wait for the media to be all over this one!
Yeah, in my dreams.
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 02:10 PM
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34. KICK!! n/t
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ThoughtCriminal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 04:16 PM
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38. Is the entire 9-11 Commission Report online somewhere? - nt
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jahyarain Donating Member (254 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 04:55 PM
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43. yeah
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 04:20 PM
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39. k&r
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gully Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 04:34 PM
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40. Recommended, bookmarked
!
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BelgianMadCow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 04:42 PM
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41. Perfect juxtaposition - this needs megaphone strength
and you'd think that a dem wanting to win would use it AD NAUSEAM.

50th :-)
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 04:49 PM
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42. Also, Condi cut Clarke off from surveillance of al-Qaeda inside US
http://winsmith.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/9/11/105117...

Why 9/11 happened: Bush curtailed Operation CATCHERS MITT
by leveymg
Mon Sep 11, 2006 at 07:51:17 AM PDT
The Bush Administration cancelled or cut back Operation CATCHERS MITT, the highly classified ongoing CIA and FBI operation that tracked al-Qaeda operatives known to be inside the U.S. during the summer of 2001. This was done without notifying the existing counter-terrorism policy board in Washington, then headed by Richard Clarke, a Clinton holdover.

This fatal decision by Bush's national security staff was part of the planned revamping of the Clinton counter-terrorism program, and ongoing operations were put on hold or cut off entirely while Rice and Hadley worked with CIA Director Tenet on the Administration's new al-Qaeda strategy.

SNIP


This raises the question, what info did Condi and the NSC Principals continue to get about surveillance of al-Qaeda cells that Clarke no longer had access to during the summer of 2001?



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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 05:28 PM
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46. The Saudis, the Bush family, Bin Laden and
9/11 all connected? Why are the Bushes so 'tight' with the Saudis?
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 06:06 PM
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47. Same reason that Dillinger robbed banks. "That's where the money is."
The BFEE is also the consoliatore with the Central Committee of the Chinese Communist Party.

The Bushes managed to ingratiate themselves with a number of the world's richest, most authoritarian regimes. They're the nexus of the movement to loot, dismantle, and offshore the assets of the United States of America.
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vickitulsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 06:33 PM
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49. "...the nexus..."
That statement bears repeating:

The Bushes managed to ingratiate themselves with a number of the world's richest, most authoritarian regimes. They're the nexus of the movement to loot, dismantle, and offshore the assets of the United States of America.


I've only recently begun to recognize just how true this is. But it makes perfect sense, and I should have seen it sooner. It seems like a plan that could have been hatched by Prescott Bu$h and further developed by GHWB to cover all the bases (and of course all their Bu$h asses).

What better position could they be in than to have cozy "allies" among the world's most authoritarian regimes? That way if everything ever DID blow up in their faces here at home, they could simply fly the coop and seek sanctuary in a place where no one could ever reach them.

Not in the Chimp's lifetime, anyway.

When I watched GHWB flip the coin at the Saints/Falcons game last night, I could hardly bear to look at him for even that long. All I could think of was how much harm he and all his family have brought on our nation and our people.

To think that none of them will ever have to answer for what they've done is just ... unthinkable.


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12string Donating Member (443 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 05:29 AM
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55. they will answer
No one can escape their karma.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 05:16 PM
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45. Wow, just wow.
"Within the first few days after Bush's inauguration, Clarke approached Rice in an effort to get her- and the new President- to give terrorism very high priority and to act on the agenda that he had pushed during during the last few months of the previous administration. After Rice requested that all senior staff identify desirable major policy reviews or initiatives, Clarke submitted an elaborate memorandum on January 25, 2001. He attached his 1998 Dlenda Plan and the December 2000 strategy paper. "We urgently need... a Principals level review on the al Qida network", Clarke wrote."

CONDI LIAR RICE. Busted.
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 08:28 AM
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59. It does make you wonder what the hell is going on in the
White House.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 06:43 PM
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50. Rice,"read the Book" - umm, apparently Ms. Rice hasn't!!
She should be called on her irresponsible comment!
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 11:43 PM
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53. kindasleezy lied?
Surely you are mistaken. :sarcasm:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 06:51 AM
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58. She probably put aside the 9/11 report --just like she did the Clintons re
-port.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 08:55 AM
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60. there is lot to be desired about the Report--but sure am glad to see was
included.
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 07:04 AM
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62. What About The Hart-Rudman Report?
http://www.milnet.com/hart-rudman/Hart-Rudman3.pdf#sear...

It laid on Bush's desk from January 2001 until 9.11. Did ANYONE even bother to pick it up and read it? Or was Bush too busy clearing brush in Crawford to give a damn?
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