Heads up .... CNN Situation Room ....CIA agent

[peanutbrittle]

"is going to tell us how OBL got away"

coming up next

[peanutbrittle]

1. Coming up on Hardball too n/t

[blm]

2. Tora Bora - Kerry said so for 3yrs and Bush's media called him delusional

and claimed he would say anything to get elected. Even Tommy Franks said Kerry was making it up.

Media knew the reports backed up Kerry but refused to tell the American people the truth about Tora Bora in their efforts to keep Bush propped up.

[peanutbrittle]

3. I remember Kerry saying

they subbed it out to the Afgan's or someone

Let us see how the CIA spins it

[blm]

13. The CIA backed up Kerry's version - it was DoD Bushbots who lied to

the American people.

[Jane Austin]

4. I saw a clip of him being interviewed by Campbell Brown. The set looked

like she was subbing on the Today Show.

She interrupted him and argued with him (Remember, she's engaged to Dan Senor. He's the guy I used to feel sorry for because he was so unfortunate-looking together with being the kool-aide dispenser for Bremmer, I supposed he would never have a date in his life!)and generally spouted the administration's line.

The CIA guy held his own very well.

When she protested that Tommy Franks contradicts his assertion, he replied that, well, he was on the ground there in Tora Bora, and Tommy Franks wasn't. :)

He was very good.

[librechik]

20. whaaaaat?

I was sure Senor was gay.

[Jane Austin]

24. Nah, he's not good-looking enough. :)

n/t

[JohnyCanuck]

5. OBL = OBG

Osama bin Goldstein.

The Making of the Enemy, Part Two
by Manuel Valenzuela

<snip>


The abstract illusion of the unseen enemy forces its disseminators and marketers to put a human face on clandestine evildoers. It is a technique used by the keepers at the gate to personify and insert a sense of reality to a war of fiction, thereby granting human flesh to illusion and cementing the idea of real struggle and real evil in the eyes of the masses. The appearance must be made to exist that the enemy is real, a human being whose evil ways must be stopped, regardless of the consequences.

Yet while the faces are real, the deeds and actions of the enemy’s masterminds are but the stuff of Hollywood legend, making of mere mortals demons of unnatural superhuman strength and ability, seemingly unable to be killed, leading their armies with the intelligence of gods and the leadership of generals. Present in multiple theatres of operation, these evildoers extraordinaire always evade capture, appearing to escape death and injury, as always inflicting damage upon our soldiers. Not even a $25 million bounty on their heads is of benefit to America’s soldiers and mercenaries.

The Osama’s and Zarqawi’s of the so-called war on terror are elevated by the propagandists and marketers to realms beyond mere mortality. It is as if these terrorists have had their fates decided by the scripts written by Hollywood writers, their abilities seemingly beyond comparison in the realm of human understanding. Yet their faces and names must be maintained and posterized, their reputation made to resound throughout America, for they are the symbols of the enemy we are fighting over there so we do not have to fight them over here. Their fictitious reputation, an illusion of psychological warfare against us, must be birthed sinister and wicked, deranged and psychotic, for the more dangerous the terrorist the greater the need to continue the war on terror.

http://valenzuelasveritas.blogspot.com/2005/12/making-of-enemy-part-two.html

[Justice Is Comin]

6. Osama is in a secret room

under the White House library. The last thing Bush wants is to capture Bin Laden. That's his insurance policy for terror to the sheep.

[Schema Thing]

7. I dont suppose this "CIA guy" has a name, perchance?

[peanutbrittle]

8. Bernsten..apparently has written a book n/t

[Schema Thing]

11. T/Y good sir or madame

[Monkey see Monkey Do]

12. I'm not watching, but I think it might by Gary Bernsten who

has written an account of the attempt to get bin Laden at Tora Bora in Afghanistan called "Jawbreaker", which the CIA have been stalling for clearance. Last I heard, it's getting published like Robert Baer's books - with all the censored stuff blacked out, rather than neatly edited out.

[sandnsea]

9. Norah Whora Wants To Know

whether he's a Democrat. :eyes:

[H2O Man]

19. Actually it was a good question.

The White House attempts to discount anyone/everyone who questions their policies by claiming they are pushing a democratic position. She did well in asking the question.

[sandnsea]

26. Not at the point in time that she did it

She hammers him through the whole interview, and then ends it with the Democrat accusation, with such a tone that no matter how he answers the implication is that he's anti-Bush and that's all there is to it.

[Kansas Wyatt]

10. How do we know that OBL wasn't captured, and released?

After all, a military team could have captured him, and been ordered to release him, so he could escape. This team also could have then received special treatment, and stunning promotions from the BushCo. for their loyalty and for futher loyalty oaths. Remember, this was before the Iraq war and BushCo. couldn't risk America saying that OBL was captured so the war is over, before BushCo. launched their main objective (Iraq).

How would we know that it didn't happen?
Would it have prevented an Iraq invasion?
Would BushCo. have risked it?

Sometimes, the truth is stranger than fiction.

[bush_is_wacko]

22. I think Bush Co might have said OBL told him Saddam was his

partner in crime. He was determined to get to Iraq no matter what. Even if 911 never happened he would have found a way. As it was 911 and OBL were the perfect excuse.

I know there is some evidence that he either outright helped plan 911 or just let it happen and I actually do believe there is some validity to it but Iraq has been a goal since Daddy bush was in office. There is oil there, you know? I

[chat_noir]

14. CIA Commander: U.S. Let bin Laden Slip Away

Aug. 15, 2005 issue - During the 2004 presidential campaign, George W. Bush and John Kerry battled about whether Osama bin Laden had escaped from Tora Bora in the final days of the war in Afghanistan. Bush, Kerry charged, "didn't choose to use American forces to hunt down and kill" the leader of Al Qaeda. The president called his opponent's allegation "the worst kind of Monday-morning quarterbacking." Bush asserted that U.S. commanders on the ground did not know if bin Laden was at the mountain hideaway along the Afghan border.

But in a forthcoming book, the CIA field commander for the agency's Jawbreaker team at Tora Bora, Gary Berntsen, says he and other U.S. commanders did know that bin Laden was among the hundreds of fleeing Qaeda and Taliban members. Berntsen says he had definitive intelligence that bin Laden was holed up at Tora Bora—intelligence operatives had tracked him—and could have been caught. "He was there," Berntsen tells NEWSWEEK. Asked to comment on Berntsen's remarks, National Security Council spokesman Frederick Jones passed on 2004 statements from former CENTCOM commander Gen. Tommy Franks. "We don't know to this day whether Mr. bin Laden was at Tora Bora in December 2001," Franks wrote in an Oct. 19 New York Times op-ed. "Bin Laden was never within our grasp." Berntsen says Franks is "a great American. But he was not on the ground out there. I was."

In his book—titled "Jawbreaker"—the decorated career CIA officer criticizes Donald Rumsfeld's Defense Department for not providing enough support to the CIA and the Pentagon's own Special Forces teams in the final hours of Tora Bora, says Berntsen's lawyer, Roy Krieger. (Berntsen would not divulge the book's specifics, saying he's awaiting CIA clearance.) That backs up other recent accounts, including that of military author Sean Naylor, who calls Tora Bora a "strategic disaster" because the Pentagon refused to deploy a cordon of conventional forces to cut off escaping Qaeda and Taliban members. Maj. Todd Vician, a Defense Department spokesman, says the problem at Tora Bora "was not necessarily just the number of troops."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8853000/site/newsweek/

[SpongeBob]

15. I tell you my story:

New offer on Bin Laden
http://www.guardian.co.uk/waronterror/story/0,1361,575593,00.html
Minister makes secret trip to offer trial in third country
Rory McCarthy in Islamabad
Wednesday October 17, 2001
The Guardian
A senior Taliban minister has offered a last-minute deal to hand over Osama bin Laden during a secret visit to Islamabad, senior sources in Pakistan told the Guardian last night.
For the first time, the Taliban offered to hand over Bin Laden for trial in a country other than the US without asking to see evidence first in return for a halt to the bombing, a source close to Pakistan's military leadership said.

[0007]

16. How fucking many times are they gonna re-run this goddamn

story.

Who is so brain dead they didn't get the first time?

[tnlefty]

17. The 51%ers??

:shrug:

[0007]

21. 0h shit! I forgot about them.

[tnlefty]

23. I wish I could. I keep trying to ignore them, but they just won't go away!

Apparently 22% of this crowd is still so braindead that they believe that Saddam and Osama were buddies and planned and executed 9/11 and that Iraq had anything to do with it whatsoever!!! It's too early for a beer isn't it?

[bigtree]

18. back on CNN this morning w/ CIA redacted book

[blm]

25. Caught that....showing the blacked out lines was a smart move, imo.

The good guys in the CIA are sick of being blamed for Bush's failures and crimes.