Rangel: An attack on (CHIMPY) is an attack on all Americans...

REP. RANGEL BLASTS CHAVEZ: DON'T COME TO MY COUNTRY AND ATTACK MY PRESIDENT...

'You do not come into my country, my congressional district, and you do not condemn my president. If there is any criticism of President Bush, it should be restricted to Americans, whether they voted for him or not. I just want to make it abundantly clear to Hugo Chavez or any other president, but do not come to the United States and think because we have problems with our president that any foreigner can come to our country and not think that Americans do not feel offended when you offend our Chief of State'...

VIDEO LINK -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eX1lBOxoJeU

Nationalism is a poison... Thanks Rangel.

Remember that. Charlie is really brilliant. He's not talking about any citizen coming to the US and criticizing Bush, just other heads of state.

legitimately elected governments.

thats the most back-asswards thing I've heard in a while.

he didn't read the whole thing?

:shrug:

Whats that tell you?

Don

and he can take Zell LIEbushlover with him too!

because he wants the rich right wingers to put up their own. It's all talk to get them pulled into the light of their hypocrisy.

How is calling him the devil an attack. Doesn't Bushco call people terrorists with no evidence. Bush is the fugging anti-christ.

Charlie knows a Dem backlash is coming for Chavez speaking at a Baptist Church in Harlem.

Edit - add.

.. I felt validated.

Chavez rocks!

and, indeed, to the survival of humanity and of the planet itself, I'd say that criticism is quite appropriate -- anytime, any place, and by anyone . . .

my own personal opinion is that no one
would have dared this kind of disrespect
for any previous president. It's a measure of
how Bush has trashed America's world
image that this could be tolerated, much less
applauded, as it was the other day.

on a lighter note, Chavez's reference to the
lingering "odor of sulphur" from the "Devil"
made for some pretty good fart jokes on
Steph Miller's show.

Fuck ALL BUsh apologists. I am not offended by the goddamn truth.

Is the link......

http://www.house.gov/apps/list/press/ny15_rangel/CBRSta...

Maybe it's the long way of saying, "Hey! He can't do that to our pledges." "Yeah! Only WE can do that to our pledges!"

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Charlie Rangel expressed his opinion. He's a good guy, and you may disagree with him, but I find your slurs against him disgusting. Reflects on who you are. Ugh.

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causes than everyone in this thread multiplied by ten in their entire lives.

George Bush. I hear Lieberman was a great progressive at one time and pissed his whole career away due to a kiss by the Devil.

once a progressive not always a progressive. And since when do progressives call for a draft like Rangel?

Sort of playing chicken with the pResident?

Also I think I recall the objections to the current state of the all-volunteer army being that we already had a de-facto draft with the stop-losses and national guard units being called up repeatedly.

mr. rangel has an actual bill in congress for a draft. Very progressive of him isn't it?...

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:
February 14, 2006 Contact: George Dalley
(202) 225-4365

RANGEL REINTRODUCES DRAFT BILL
WASHINGTON - Lawmaker Says Volunteer Military May be Overwhelmed by Military Challenges in Iran, North Korea and Syria requiring more troops who will have to be drafted

Congressman Charles Rangel today introduced new legislation to reinstate the military draft that will include draftees up to 42 years of age.

"Every day that the military option is on the table, as declared by the President in his State of the Union address, in Iran, North Korea, and Syria, reinstatement of the military draft is an option that must also be considered, whether we like it or not," Congressman Rangel said. "If the military is already having trouble getting the recruits they need, what can we do to fill the ranks if the war spreads from Iraq to other countries? We may have no other choice but a draft."

The bill would mandate military service for men and women between the ages of 18 and 42. Deferments would be allowed only for completion of high school up to the age of 20, and for reasons of health, conscience or religious belief. Recruits not needed by the military in any given year would be required to perform some national civilian service.

"My bill conforms to the age standards that have been set by the Army itself," Congressman Rangel said, referring to the Army's recent announcement raising the top age for Army volunteers from 39 to 42. "With volunteers now being accepted up to the age of 42, it makes sense to cap the age of draftees at 42," Congressman Rangel said.

http://www.house.gov/apps/list/press/ny15_rangel/CBRSta...

gone. That's Rangel's point.

gives limitless troops to power-mad despots like LBJ. Without a draft, there would have been no "Vietnam".

Rangel is dead wrong on this point.

the Great Society programs, however flawed some were.

Tagging him with VietNam is shortsighted, imho, overall. It did him in, though. That's a fact.

He said that if the children of the Rich, ie, Cheney's kids and Jenna and Laura Bush, had to go fight in these wars, they wouldn't be so quick to send the kids of the poor to die

and seeing the subtle logic and wisdom.

*sigh*

and I support Rangel's call for a draft. The RICH should do their FAIR SHARE...fighting WARS AND Paying TAXES!!!

HOWEVER, I am outraged hew would waste his time defending bush* and helping the CorpoMedia FRAME the entire bush* debacle aroung a lighter side comment made by Chavez!....BAD CHARLEY!!! Go stand in the corner!!!

While Rangel was mugging for the cameras, and helping the Republicans divert attention, the REPUBLICANS passed the TORTURE LEGISLATION the bush* DEMANDED.

What did Rangel say about the Republicans changing the official US Policy against torture?

What did ANY Democrat say about the new Torture Legislation?
But OOOOOHHH!!!! Chavez called bush* a "devil"... OOOOOHHHHHH!!!!!

Charley, and ALL the DEMOCRATS dropped the ball this week!

putting a bill for a draft in congress is insane by any measure.

seem to behaving like Rs these days. This is insane!

destruction! Dogs and cats will start living together! Frogs will fall from the sky!

My personal opinion is that most in Congress have sold We the People out for a lousy buck.

Sad what people will do for money.

....to agree to any kind of military action, and have generally opposed Bush's adventures. Since they got out of their own Vietnam entanglement, and became a more socially oriented society, that’s been their typical stance. But until just a few years ago—in the 90s--they had MANDATORY military service: Not just a draft, Every man had to serve. When every family is directly affected, I think it makes a country a bit more responsible in its war decisions. When you think of the draft in this country, you think of Vietnam and all the notorious deferments. At the time I heard him speak at least, Rangle I think was looking for a system with more universal participation, like the French. I don't think that's unreasonable for him to bring it up; As an alternative to the current situation, I would have a hard time calling that an insane option.

How about Mandatory military service for all combat-age relatives of the administration that starts military action, and same for any congress that approves such action or declares war.

I think that would serve the same purpose

world and boy do they show it here.

Charlie Rangel goose-stepping?

Dear lord, sometimes I wonder what planet some DU'ers are on.

I guess you didn't read the OP.

I can not believe the morons on here comparing him to Zell.

And less time defending Bush.

Do you want Dems to win the midterm elections or not? The last thing we need is moderate Americans rallying around the President because a foreign demagogue is taking shots at him and our country in New York.

The GOP could have made a heyday with this, but Rangel stopped them cold. Well done, DNC and Dem leadership.

When Chavez spoke to the UN, he wasn't technically on United States soil. The UN has extraterritoriality.

And as to criticism: when the Pig Bush stops his ILLEGAL MILITARY ADVENTURES, THEN and only THEN can Rangel make that statement.

What is U.S. Congressman Charles Rangél doing? Is he betraying the Democratic Party? He's bashing Hugo Chavez and defending Bush. It is very disturbing and alarming to see a Democrat, especially a monority, to critize an international Hispanic leader and ally by expressing sympathy for Bush and his racist Republicans. Has Mr. Rangél gone loco? Has he turned into a rogue Democrat? Is he a traitor? Hopefully Mr. Rangél has an ulterior motive. But as Democrats we must be careful not to create the slightest impression that our strong united coalition has a crack in it. I consider all minorities (African-Americans, Hispanics of course, Muslims, American Indians and all to be my brothers in the cause of solidarity). We must remain united. Solidarity is the key to victory. We do not need dissent.

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instead of one that is ruled by a raving lunatic dictator.

In the 1960s new General Assembly and Secretariat buildings were built in New York, but there are major agencies located in Geneva, Switzerland and elsewhere.http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=United_Natio...

Yes....I think you're right, next time, this should be held in friendlier Geneva.

And maybe we have to change location. Maybe we have to put the United Nations somewhere else; maybe a city of the south. We've proposed Venezuela.

Chavez entire speech here:
http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0920-22.htm

The cat is out of the bag.

Don

Can you provide the quote?

But I'm sure you're already aware of the statements.

advocates violence?

I'm not aware of those statements. If they are so well known, you should not have any trouble providing them.

You're just pretending you're not.

I could have sworn Foxnews showed it.

Why else would he apologize? :shrug:

Can you provide a link to him advocating violence? :shrug:

sincere about not wanting to incite violence in the Muslim world. Just sayin...

http://216.239.51.104/search?q=cache:Yo3xoLAj-_oJ:www.s...

He should have never apologized if he really was sincere about not wanting to incite violence against Arican-Americans.

for inciting violence among the Muslim population. Yeah, I guess you could compare those two if you were really desperate.

Edit - And why did Dennis miss the meeting you ask? So he could vote on a bill. Come on Fred, you can do better.

calling anyone inhuman.

Are you aware of any?

It's gotten quite a bit of news lately.

I wonder if the Pope knows about irony?

"God is not pleased by blood, and not acting reasonably ("syn logo") is contrary to God's nature."

and when Ahmadinejad said Israel "should be wiped off the map," he was talking about the game of Risk he happened to be playing at the time.

:crazy:

The Pope didn't really apologize for his remarks.

As for Ahmadinejad, he's publically stated he's got no plans or desires to attack Israel.

consistently asking for quotes while playing the naif is not very becoming.

and fine in the world. Oh, almost forgot the

Looks like there is enough you are not aware of that we can't really provide you with all that information.

Sorry, the concept that all the Christians collectively are better than all the Muslims collectively does not fly. And we certainly can't expect the Muslims to accept it even if we believe it.

For calling the Muslim religion one of violence? It was on the TEEVEE.

When did the Pope advocate violence?

You must have missed it.

You do know how to use google right? :shrug:

You'll figure it out.

Much better then the Dennis theory! :thumbsup:

first, the Pope never said muslims were evil and inhuman. He quoted a 1,000 year old writing which said that Islam, where original, was evil and inhuman.

You may say it is the same thing. Except notice that I just did what the Pope did (except I paraphrased). Does that mean I agree with everything that I quote? Not unless I say so in my own words. In the Pope's speech that quote was not the basis or the summary of a thesis. It was used to make a different point. A point where he, in fact, argues against violence and coercion.

That is pretty far away from advocating violence, no matter what the over-sensitive and Pope haters and Catholic haters may 'think' about it.

Why did the Pope use the passage in the first place? He had to know it would incite a violent reaction from Muslims. Or is it just more of that willful ignorance people love to hide behind?

:shrug:

because we all know exactly how people are going to react. We all should know what 'tar baby' means. We all know how people will react to a quote. Especially millions of people. Even after the fact, I do not think their reaction to his speech was appropriate.

Willful ignorance as a meme? Talk about jumping the shark! :rofl:

used by people incapable of making a logical argument. :rofl:

A person can pretend the Pope was "only quoting" and that it's not really advocating violence.

But he wasn't just quoting, and he really was advocating violence.

"Pope haters and Catholic haters."

LOL

Person A: X is true.
Person B: X is false. Because of A, B and C.
Person A: You can pretend that X is false, but X is really true.

You really need alot more explication in your argument than arguing that your opponents are pretending.

Is 'LOL' a cogent argument? "Pope haters" is a funny term somehow? Yet you are bashing the Pope without being able to justify it, except to another poster who says 'Dayum' (or ditto). Sort of a 'friends agree with friends in order to express friendship'. Or 'If you like a person they can dump a plate of spaghetti in your lap and you will laugh, but if you hate a person, then the way they hold their fork infuriates you.'

I read a good portion of Ratzinger's speech, so if you wanna convince me that he was advocating violence you need a clearer argument.

We get it, try to catch up! :rofl:

Oh brother	Moochy	Sep-21-06 01:02 PM	#1
Rangel is only talking about other presidents or heads of state.	oncall247	Sep-21-06 05:20 PM	#214
then tell your president to stop trying to overthrow	xchrom	Sep-21-06 01:03 PM	#2
uh... what?	DireStrike	Sep-21-06 01:03 PM	#3
Maybe...	Bornaginhooligan	Sep-21-06 01:05 PM	#9
Oh Like every other Chavez Basher around here ?	Moochy	Sep-21-06 01:07 PM	#10
...	Bornaginhooligan	Sep-21-06 01:03 PM	#4
He thinks the draft would be a fine idea too	NNN0LHI	Sep-21-06 01:04 PM	#5
Good Point. n/t	OhioChick	Sep-21-06 01:15 PM	#24
that he needs to switch parties!	RandiRhodesArchives	Sep-21-06 02:09 PM	#123
you know why he says that don't you?	nini	Sep-21-06 07:47 PM	#233
Attack?	malaise	Sep-21-06 01:04 PM	#6
Umm, I didn't feel attacked..	ananda	Sep-21-06 01:04 PM	#7
when that president represents an immediate threat to world peace . . .	OneBlueSky	Sep-21-06 01:04 PM	#8
I don't agree with it, but it's politically astute	greenman3610	Sep-21-06 01:07 PM	#11
Evil translates into many languages.	Generic Other	Sep-21-06 01:08 PM	#12
Here	feduppuke	Sep-21-06 01:09 PM	#
Deleted message	Name removed	Sep-21-06 01:09 PM	#13
Bullshit.	cali	Sep-21-06 01:21 PM	#31
Deleted message	Name removed	Sep-21-06 01:23 PM	#36
spoken like a true progressive	onenote	Sep-21-06 02:27 PM	#163
Zing!!	Rex	Sep-21-06 02:40 PM	#184
Oh Carlos Whoops I Mean Onenote	Binka	Sep-21-06 08:04 PM	#237
Charlie Rangel has done more in his sleep for progressive	geek tragedy	Sep-21-06 01:33 PM	#54
Well then he can go and goosestep with his new best friend	Rex	Sep-21-06 01:36 PM	#60
well said	leftchick	Sep-21-06 01:39 PM	#63
Wasnt his call for the draft a kind of "dare"	Moochy	Sep-21-06 01:43 PM	#71
sadly no. Mr. rangel is dead serious	leftchick	Sep-21-06 02:08 PM	#121
If there were a draft, the support for rushing into a ground war would be	NYCGirl	Sep-21-06 02:16 PM	#138
Yet a draft,	Totallybushed	Sep-21-06 04:42 PM	#212
(OT) You're off about LBJ. Think Voting Rights Act, Medicare,	pinto	Sep-21-06 08:47 PM	#247
In fairness, he was trying to even the playing field	Spearman87	Sep-21-06 02:16 PM	#139
That was my impression at the time as well	Moochy	Sep-21-06 02:27 PM	#164
Mine also. Knee-jerk reactions prevent some from thinking things through	AZBlue	Sep-21-06 08:20 PM	#240
Calling for a DRAFT was indeed PROGRESSIVE,	bvar22	Sep-21-06 09:08 PM	#250
I don't care what he was trying to do	leftchick	Sep-21-06 02:36 PM	#179
But but but, he has a D next to his name!	Rex	Sep-21-06 02:41 PM	#186
the vast majority of Ds	leftchick	Sep-21-06 02:45 PM	#188
Now stop that! You cannot call the Ds, Rs! It will bring about our	Rex	Sep-21-06 03:04 PM	#206
Think about it this way: The French are pretty slow	Spearman87	Sep-21-06 02:53 PM	#194
Hey! How about this compromise!	Spearman87	Sep-21-06 03:06 PM	#207
Thanks, some people just cannot live outside a black and white	Rex	Sep-21-06 01:44 PM	#75
Okay, this place has become a looney bin.	geek tragedy	Sep-21-06 01:42 PM	#69
Same here.	Rex	Sep-21-06 01:43 PM	#72
100% Correct!	BIG Sean	Sep-21-06 02:56 PM	#197
Then he should spend more time sleeping.	KaptBunnyPants	Sep-21-06 07:32 PM	#224
It's a brilliant move.	cigsandcoffee	Sep-21-06 07:31 PM	#223
He wasn't INSIDE the country.	Tyler Durden	Sep-21-06 01:09 PM	#14
Rangel traidor?	El Zopilote	Sep-21-06 01:26 PM	#41
Deleted message	Name removed	Sep-21-06 08:14 PM	#238
Well maybe the United Nations should move to a friendlier country	undeterred	Sep-21-06 01:09 PM	#15
UN Is Considered International Territory and....	otohara	Sep-21-06 01:20 PM	#30
Bush doesn't like conventions in Geneva	Bad Penny	Sep-21-06 02:12 PM	#129
ROTLF at that graphic! Good one!	treestar	Sep-21-06 02:21 PM	#152
Chavez Said The Same Thing....He Proposed....	otohara	Sep-21-06 01:35 PM	#57
I wonder what Chavez's new friend will say about this?	Freddie Stubbs	Sep-21-06 01:11 PM	#16
That is proof that Muslims and Christians can get along just dandy	NNN0LHI	Sep-21-06 01:12 PM	#19
Very nice.	Rex	Sep-21-06 01:14 PM	#21
Does Ahmadinejad promote a religion of peace?	Freddie Stubbs	Sep-21-06 01:19 PM	#28
Why don't you ask the Pope.	Rex	Sep-21-06 01:24 PM	#39
Daaaamn, boyyyy!	Bornaginhooligan	Sep-21-06 01:26 PM	#43
When has the Pope encouraged violence?	Freddie Stubbs	Sep-21-06 01:32 PM	#51
When he called a billion people evil and inhuman.	Bornaginhooligan	Sep-21-06 01:34 PM	#56
Who did he call inhuman?	Freddie Stubbs	Sep-21-06 01:37 PM	#61
muslims.	Bornaginhooligan	Sep-21-06 01:38 PM	#62
Can you please provide the quote where he calls muslims inhuman or	Freddie Stubbs	Sep-21-06 01:43 PM	#73
But you are aware of them.	Bornaginhooligan	Sep-21-06 01:44 PM	#74
He must have missed the huge apology from the Pope.	Rex	Sep-21-06 01:47 PM	#78
He apologized for advocating violence?	Freddie Stubbs	Sep-21-06 01:48 PM	#81
Yes.	Rex	Sep-21-06 01:50 PM	#84
People say a lot of things that they need to take back	Freddie Stubbs	Sep-21-06 01:51 PM	#86
Really? You mean like the Pope?	Rex	Sep-21-06 01:53 PM	#89
But they don't all advocate violence against groups of people	Freddie Stubbs	Sep-21-06 02:00 PM	#105
Well then he should have never apologized if he really was	Rex	Sep-21-06 02:03 PM	#111
Kucinich apologized to the NAACP	Freddie Stubbs	Sep-21-06 02:11 PM	#127
So Dennis apologized for missing a meeting, but the Pope apologized	Rex	Sep-21-06 02:14 PM	#134
Still looking for that qoute inciting violence?	Freddie Stubbs	Sep-21-06 02:16 PM	#140
Sure	Rex	Sep-21-06 02:18 PM	#145
Gee Fred Is Still Licking The Lost Stamp	Binka	Sep-21-06 08:18 PM	#239
The Pope did NOT ever apologize for the content - he should resign n/t	ShortnFiery	Sep-21-06 03:03 PM	#204
I am not aware of any statements of the Pope advocating violence or	Freddie Stubbs	Sep-21-06 01:47 PM	#80
Yes.	Bornaginhooligan	Sep-21-06 01:48 PM	#83
Can you provide a link to these statements advocating violence?	Freddie Stubbs	Sep-21-06 01:50 PM	#85
Well, if you want.	Bornaginhooligan	Sep-21-06 01:55 PM	#96
That's so sad.	Rex	Sep-21-06 01:59 PM	#104
I see no call to violence in that	Freddie Stubbs	Sep-21-06 02:03 PM	#109
Uh huh.	Bornaginhooligan	Sep-21-06 02:04 PM	#114
Did he ever apologize for his remarks?	Rex	Sep-21-06 02:06 PM	#116
Nope.	Bornaginhooligan	Sep-21-06 03:28 PM	#209
have you heard of this new thing called "google"	datasuspect	Sep-21-06 02:21 PM	#149
He can only type in three words, if nothing comes up then all is good	Rex	Sep-21-06 02:23 PM	#154
Google search for "pope advocated violence" yeilds no results	Freddie Stubbs	Sep-21-06 02:23 PM	#155
Then neither should you.	treestar	Sep-21-06 02:24 PM	#160
Dayum!	Rex	Sep-21-06 01:41 PM	#68
Did you miss his apology the other day?	Rex	Sep-21-06 01:42 PM	#70
That wasn't the question	Freddie Stubbs	Sep-21-06 01:45 PM	#76
I just told you.	Rex	Sep-21-06 01:46 PM	#77
But you haven't been able to provide any proof that he advocated violence	Freddie Stubbs	Sep-21-06 01:52 PM	#88
It was in the news, I am very sorry if you missed it.	Rex	Sep-21-06 01:53 PM	#92
Yes, but nothing come up when you search "pope advocated violence"	Freddie Stubbs	Sep-21-06 01:56 PM	#100
That's because you worded it incorrectly.	Rex	Sep-21-06 01:58 PM	#102
Thess google search yeilds some documents:	Freddie Stubbs	Sep-21-06 02:32 PM	#175
LOL	Rex	Sep-21-06 02:35 PM	#178
maybe because it is so far away from accurate	hfojvt	Sep-21-06 01:59 PM	#103
LOL. Pope/Catholic haters, thanks for playing.	Rex	Sep-21-06 02:02 PM	#107
LOL, the 'willful ignorance' meme	hfojvt	Sep-21-06 02:31 PM	#173
Well of course you don't.	Rex	Sep-21-06 02:39 PM	#183
okay, maybe it is just a talking point	hfojvt	Sep-21-06 02:49 PM	#191
Zing!!!	Rex	Sep-21-06 02:52 PM	#193
Well, that's the thing, isn't it?	Bornaginhooligan	Sep-21-06 02:03 PM	#110
this whole business of 'pretend' is kinda confusing	hfojvt	Sep-21-06 02:46 PM	#189
We are laughing at you (pope haters), did you not get it?	Rex	Sep-21-06 02:56 PM	#196
Deleted message	Name removed	Sep-21-06 03:45 PM	#210
Yeah the second one.	Rex	Sep-21-06 05:29 PM	#216
But He Hoped It Wasn't True	Binka	Sep-21-06 08:30 PM	#241
Nicely done!	KaptBunnyPants	Sep-21-06 07:33 PM	#225
Sure. As long as they both hate the U.S.	dbaker41	Sep-21-06 02:22 PM	#153
they don't hate the US	SlavesandBulldozers	Sep-21-06 07:35 PM	#226
Chavez may be a loon, but he has just as much right to criticize Bush as	Caution	Sep-21-06 01:11 PM	#17
Right wing shill corporatist freeper conservative	Moochy	Sep-21-06 01:18 PM	#27
That didn't take long now did it :)	Caution	Sep-21-06 01:26 PM	#42
Always happy to oblige :-)	Moochy	Sep-21-06 01:40 PM	#65
Gawd I Love You	Binka	Sep-21-06 08:37 PM	#243
Flame me if you want but I actually agree with Rangel	Godlesscommieprevert	Sep-21-06 01:12 PM	#18
um nice screen name.	Moochy	Sep-21-06 01:13 PM	#20
Holy Shit	Binka	Sep-21-06 08:42 PM	#245
I wasn't offended by Chavez's remark. But I have no problem with Rangel's	BurtWorm	Sep-21-06 01:15 PM	#23
I'm in the same boat	maddezmom	Sep-21-06 01:27 PM	#45
I feel lucky.	BurtWorm	Sep-21-06 01:33 PM	#53
Rangel is an astute guy.	Gormy Cuss	Sep-21-06 01:28 PM	#46
He would still be an asshole in my book	dkofos	Sep-21-06 01:32 PM	#50
Actually, if Santorum suddenly called Bush "diablo"	BurtWorm	Sep-21-06 01:34 PM	#55
Yeah, yeah	KingFlorez	Sep-21-06 01:21 PM	#
dupe	KingFlorez	Sep-21-06 01:21 PM	#32
dupe	KingFlorez	Sep-21-06 01:21 PM	#33
Read The Whole Speech	otohara	Sep-21-06 01:31 PM	#49
First Flame: we are not equated, Chavez even distinguished	treestar	Sep-21-06 02:27 PM	#165
Hear Hear And Bravo To Ya. I Agree With You Completely.	OPERATIONMINDCRIME	Sep-21-06 07:42 PM	#
Tell him, Charlie! "Chavez, you leave our idiot alone!!"	No Exit	Sep-21-06 08:38 PM	#244
Deleted message	Name removed	Sep-21-06 01:14 PM	#22
EnviroBat?	zidzi	Sep-21-06 02:21 PM	#150
This is the way things used to work.	Bleachers7	Sep-21-06 01:17 PM	#25
that was back when Presidents made the attempt	hfojvt	Sep-21-06 01:48 PM	#82
Oh Charlie	otohara	Sep-21-06 01:18 PM	#26
Tell you what, Mr. Rangel:	michael_1166	Sep-21-06 01:20 PM	#29
OMG	windbreeze	Sep-21-06 01:33 PM	#52
Mexico, Viet Nam, Brazil and especially China	treestar	Sep-21-06 02:30 PM	#170
I am glad he said it, and Rangel does not speak for me	Annces	Sep-21-06 01:23 PM	#34
Same old gutless Democrats.	Sentinel Chicken	Sep-21-06 01:23 PM	#35
Deleted message	Name removed	Sep-21-06 01:24 PM	#37
oh, so * represents Rangel???	windbreeze	Sep-21-06 01:24 PM	#38
Free Speech is free speech	dkofos	Sep-21-06 01:25 PM	#40
Hey if our own dems had stood up before the Iraq war and	go west young man	Sep-21-06 01:27 PM	#44
Rangel's Attack on Chavez, is proof US is doomed- freedom of	Bluerthanblue	Sep-21-06 01:28 PM	#47
Rangel, Pelosi et al	malaise	Sep-21-06 01:40 PM	#67
at some point do we not need to put	Bluerthanblue	Sep-21-06 01:51 PM	#87
How many days to the election again	malaise	Sep-21-06 02:30 PM	#171
How can you possibly know	sufrommich	Sep-21-06 05:29 PM	#215
Democrat Bashing Mob? Disgusted?	Binka	Sep-21-06 08:52 PM	#249
Malaise is right and Pelosi and Rangel know the Republicans will try hard	KatieW	Sep-21-06 02:18 PM	#143
harumph. and Pelosi called Chavez a 'thug'...	QuestionAll...	Sep-21-06 01:47 PM	#79
united corporations of america-	Bluerthanblue	Sep-21-06 01:56 PM	#99
sorry, but Hugo Chavez definitely does not "represent" me	onenote	Sep-21-06 02:38 PM	#181
well, hate to point this out but bush does, like it or not-	Bluerthanblue	Sep-21-06 04:10 PM	#211
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lots of rolled over and dead americans...	QuestionAll...	Sep-21-06 02:03 PM	#113
no, actually he is a	Bluerthanblue	Sep-21-06 02:04 PM	#115
RAWR Beat that chest you blue blooded amurrikkkan!	Moochy	Sep-21-06 02:13 PM	#133
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if * loves this country	Bluerthanblue	Sep-21-06 02:23 PM	#156
You know, none of us here could possibly hate this country	Skidmore	Sep-21-06 02:26 PM	#162
It isn't Chavez who is the head of the cabal robbing our nation blind.	Book Lover	Sep-21-06 01:29 PM	#48
I thought he said this at the UN -- or am I mistaken?	LostinVA	Sep-21-06 01:35 PM	#58
This is rich:	verse18	Sep-21-06 01:36 PM	#59
Not to mention that he can hardly expect that criticism of any president	treestar	Sep-21-06 02:35 PM	#177
Rangle should have taken the same stance as the WH and Bolton	Jeanette in FL	Sep-21-06 01:40 PM	#64
Bullshit! Fucking chimp doesn't	zidzi	Sep-21-06 01:40 PM	#66
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:)	zidzi	Sep-21-06 02:10 PM	#125
Um bye bye	Moochy	Sep-21-06 01:58 PM	#101
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What will your next screen name be?	Moochy	Sep-21-06 02:03 PM	#112
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How about masturbates to pictures of Bush?	Moochy	Sep-21-06 02:07 PM	#118
I like those too	Bush Stole Ohio	Sep-21-06 02:08 PM	#120
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LOL!	Swamp Rat	Sep-21-06 07:35 PM	#227
guess it won't be-	Bluerthanblue	Sep-21-06 02:14 PM	#135
"Even Hillary Clinton"! Was that	zidzi	Sep-21-06 02:11 PM	#128
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Here comes the truth	Moochy	Sep-21-06 02:17 PM	#141
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Lol asians can't be racists	Moochy	Sep-21-06 02:21 PM	#151
"bush did steal Ohio"	zidzi	Sep-21-06 02:31 PM	#174
Sad that the only truth was in his screen name	Moochy	Sep-21-06 02:33 PM	#176
beware -	Bluerthanblue	Sep-21-06 02:12 PM	#130
WOW....and this from a newbie....	windbreeze	Sep-21-06 02:12 PM	#132
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This is political posturing, and if you think it means anything at all	Marr	Sep-21-06 01:53 PM	#90
Exactly	Moochy	Sep-21-06 01:55 PM	#95
I wish it weren't just accepted as well- but is that the hill	Marr	Sep-21-06 02:02 PM	#108
I totally disagree with Rangel on this issue	Zodiak Ironfist	Sep-21-06 01:54 PM	#93
Chavez was at the Baptist church in Harlem this	malaise	Sep-21-06 02:37 PM	#180
I agree with the strategy	Zodiak Ironfist	Sep-21-06 02:38 PM	#182
A Democratic Victory is a must	malaise	Sep-21-06 02:48 PM	#190
Sorry Charlie	mmonk	Sep-21-06 01:56 PM	#98
What an ignorant fuck	notmypresident	Sep-21-06 02:07 PM	#119
no one picks on bush,,,,	radfringe	Sep-21-06 02:08 PM	#122
Put a sock in it Charlie. Who appointed you speech police?	Tierra_y_Libertad	Sep-21-06 02:11 PM	#126
Who appointed you speech police to tell Charlie to "put a sock in it?"	Freddie Stubbs	Sep-21-06 02:19 PM	#147
I did. The vote was a landslide. 1 - 0.	Tierra_y_Libertad	Sep-21-06 02:24 PM	#161
Let me see if I understand your logic here	notmypresident	Sep-21-06 02:28 PM	#166
Your mistake	Moochy	Sep-21-06 02:31 PM	#172
Rangel blew me off at the April 19 NYC peace rally	npincus	Sep-21-06 02:12 PM	#131
I hope he's not one of the Rethug UN bashers, because if he is	treestar	Sep-21-06 02:18 PM	#144
Its just a tribal thing. Rangel is a good guy	Jacobin	Sep-21-06 02:19 PM	#146
He may be a good guy but I	zidzi	Sep-21-06 02:24 PM	#158
mr. "* shatters the myth of white supremacy once and for all"	MisterP	Sep-21-06 02:23 PM	#157
They've been wiretapping Rangel for years don't ya know.	spanone	Sep-21-06 02:24 PM	#159
Well I'm not offended by Rangel or Chavez	OhioBlues	Sep-21-06 02:29 PM	#167
Rangel vs. Chavez,the clash of the cult of DU personalities begins....	rinsd	Sep-21-06 02:29 PM	#168
INTERNATIONAL TERRITORY is not your district!	EarthNeedsHope	Sep-21-06 02:29 PM	#169
What in the hell has happened to DU??	Connie_Corleone	Sep-21-06 02:40 PM	#185
SO FUCK YOU CHARLIE RANGEL!	LaPera	Sep-21-06 02:42 PM	#187
Rangel is wrong	Nite Owl	Sep-21-06 02:50 PM	#192
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I'm sitting here in disbelief over the comments about Rangel.	Connie_Corleone	Sep-21-06 02:59 PM	#199
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Uh oh...I see progressive heads exploding...	SaveElmer	Sep-21-06 02:57 PM	#198
Dear Draft-Happy Congressperson: You don't speak for me!	robertpaulsen	Sep-21-06 03:00 PM	#200
This is one of the few times Charlie is way out of touch n/t	ShortnFiery	Sep-21-06 03:00 PM	#201
Charlie is right about this	FILAM23	Sep-21-06 03:00 PM	#202
Yeah, let's all wrap ourselves in the flag and follow Dear Leader ...	ShortnFiery	Sep-21-06 03:07 PM	#208
DING< DING< DING!!! (nt)	stepnw1f	Sep-21-06 07:41 PM	#230
You can have him, Charlie.	No Surrender	Sep-21-06 03:04 PM	#205
Shut the fuck up, Rangel.	patrioticliberal	Sep-21-06 04:52 PM	#213
I wouldn't label him a LIEberman or Zell ite	Brian Stevens	Sep-21-06 06:18 PM	#217
so he's accepted shrub as his president. good to know	samsingh	Sep-21-06 06:39 PM	#218
BARF!	boolean	Sep-21-06 06:42 PM	#219
That YouTube video...thank you so much for including it. n/t	Poll_Blind	Sep-21-06 07:12 PM	#220
hardly	goodhue	Sep-21-06 07:13 PM	#221
Let's give Rangel credit	Jcrowley	Sep-21-06 07:24 PM	#222
In context the remark was not as "strong."	gully	Sep-21-06 07:37 PM	#228
Somebody Wake Me Up	stepnw1f	Sep-21-06 07:40 PM	#229
I'm not offended. Please stop pretending that I am	Solly Mack	Sep-21-06 07:42 PM	#231
I love ya, Charlie, but you are SOOOOOO wrong on this!	bobbolink	Sep-21-06 07:43 PM	#232
LOL!	Blue State Native	Sep-21-06 07:50 PM	#234
Charley 'let's have a draft' Rangel is	lumpy	Sep-21-06 07:52 PM	#235
Did the Dixie Chicks trash the leader of any country they were in?	wiley	Sep-21-06 08:00 PM	#236
Rangel and Pelosi today showed America at it's best. Kudos to both. nt	Clarkie1	Sep-21-06 08:33 PM	#242
He wasn't in your country Chuck	Jcrowley	Sep-21-06 08:46 PM	#246
It didnt feel like an attack on me...	Ksec	Sep-21-06 08:50 PM	#248
Locking.	pinto	Sep-21-06 09:41 PM	#251