You're a BAD liberal if you...

[prolesunited]

Shop at WalMart

Watch ABC

Go to Disneyland

Eat meat

Own an SUV

Have a gun and hunt


Feel free to add your own.

It's one thing to make your case and try to persuade others to change based on logic, but I am so sick of all this fingerpointing and condemnation for those who make other choices in their life.

I will let my own conscience decide what I watch and eat and drive and live my life. Is there some sort of prize for winning the "holier than thou" liberal contest in which some are engaged?

[Monkeyman]

1. Need my Meat yum yum

[prolesunited]

11. Actually, I am a vegetarian

but my husband eats meat. I don't go around condemning him for it. Your life, your choice. However, I must admit I was proud the other night when he announced at dinner that he would no longer eat veal.

But, that's what I'm saying. He listened to the facts (from other sources), integrated it into his experience and came to a decision. No badgering could accomplish that.

[bobbolink]

84. Acceptance. Wadda concept....

I always thought this was simple non-violence.

But, then, maybe that's just the dirtyhippiecommiepinkobum in me. :hippie:

Peace. :hi:

[waiting for hope]

18. Gotta get that protien....

need me a bigger brain.

[President Jesus]

139. knead your meat? ewww

[Stevendsmith]

2. plan to vote for Saint McCain (n/t)

[prolesunited]

7. Sorry, but he's a Republican

so I'm going to agree on that one.

[Warren DeMontague]

90. No, then you're not a liberal at all- you're just a shithead. nt

[fujiyama]

176. Then you're just an idiot

or incredibly unaware and disinformed...

[YOY]

197. Then you really are falling for their positioning of the man

They're trying to make him look like a more sane/less corrupt version of Bush for a reason man.

[dkofos]

3. VOTE

[slackmaster]

4. Hey, I've never hunted

And I recycle as much as possible.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

5. I go to Disneyland.

If somebody doesn't like it they can suck my Pinocchio.

[BOSSHOG]

6. I appreciate your two cents worth

Our kids who are fighting for their lives in Iraq would love to shop at Wal-Mart, watch ABC, go to Disneyland, eat whatever they want to eat.

I'm a bad liberal. Conservatives think I'm a badass liberal. Whatcha gonna do?

[MrCoffee]

8. what's this shit about having a gun makes you a bad liberal?

it's bullshit is what it is.

[prolesunited]

13. You've never heard that said?

I'm just listing examples, not expressing my personal opinion.

[MrCoffee]

16. ah. i got a little trigger-happy, i think.

[hootinholler]

59. Dude, DeCaf...

:evilgrin:

-Hoot

[Warpy]

25. Liberals with guns are the right's second worst nightmare

Liberals with money are their worst nightmare.

I went to Wally's this morning for my prescriptions and a jug of detergent. I counted 3 Kerry stickers on the way in, and I parked close. No Stupid stickers. Overheard 2 conversations inside the store, against Stupid.

Boycott what you can. Spend your money wisely. Support Dem business when you can.

That's all anyone can ask.

[MrCoffee]

27. 2nd worst nightmare...and i love it when dreams come true. n/t

[Monkeyman]

40. HMMM its not number one LOL

[bobbolink]

85. You're so rational! It's no fun to fight with a peaceful person.

:rofl:

I bet you even have low blood pressure. :hi:

Where's that goldern peace symbol emoticon?? :+

[VOX]

9. Enjoy professional sports. n/t

n/t

[Jed Dilligan]

10. Get angry

Don't see the other side's point

Don't tolerate their views

Care about your own interests more than others'

Lower yourself to their level

[Nederland]

12. Make lists about what makes people bad liberals

:)

[prolesunited]

14. Ummm...

did you miss the point or am I missing the sarcasm?

[Nederland]

22. Sorry

I thought adding the smiley in the body would make it clear I got the joke.

:)

[dolo amber]

17. The sarcasm smiley is implied

:)

[dolo amber]

15. Watch Woody Allen movies

Or is that no longer in effect? I get so confused. :cry:

That, and I couldn't possibly give less of a crap. :D

Oh, and I refused to vote in the last election. I *REALLY* suck!! :bounce:

[The Deacon]

43. Why Aren't We Supposed To Watch Woody Allen Movies?

I haven't seen one since he started taking himself seriously & stopped making funny movies (circa Love and Death) but that was a matter of taste, not Political Correctness.

[DesertRat]

193. I really liked his latest, "Scoop"

It reminded me of some of his older ones.

[RaleighNCDUer]

19. You're a bad liberal if you make sweeping black and white

generalizations.

You are a bad liberal if you shop at WalMart, and can afford to shop elsewhere.

You are a bad liberal if you uncritically accept the "entertainment" presented to you.

Humans are omnivores and are biologically geared for a mixed diet - eating meat is not liberal or conservative.

You are a bad liberal if you own an SUV just for the show - some (very few) people have legitimate reasons for owning one. Caveat: there's no excuse for owning a Hummer.

Guns: see "meat" above.

IMO, you are a bad liberal if you are selfish, thoughtless, uncaring, unconcerned - but those qualities also make you a bad conservative, or a bad person in general. A good liberal may do any of those listed things, but will think about WHY he (or she) does them.

[bryant69]

23. The problem is that different people might come to different conclusions

And it's easy to be judgemental based on those conclusions.

Oy and boycotting ABC and Disneyland has little to do with uncritically accepting entertainment offered you; it is to punish ABC for putting on a miniseries this board found offensive. Or such is my understanding.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[The Deacon]

30. Mostly Agree With You

I own an SUV because my job required that I be able to get out regardless of the weather (disaster response - the worse the weather the more likely I'd be out in it) so I needed 4 wheel drive. I chose an SUV to make family vacations more comfortable. Now I'm stuck with the gas guzzler when what I really want is a hybrid Escape or similar (can't afford to replace it.)
I agree there is no reason for anyone to own a Hummer H2 or H3 - but there are several times I could have REALLY used a Hummer H1 (basically the same as a Humvee - which is what we had to be rescued by when the National Guard came & saved our bacon - love those guys.)
Hunting? Don't do myself, don't understand it, don't judge those who do (as long as they are responsible - Cheney shouldn't be allowed in the same state as a loaded weapon.)

My definition of a Bad Liberal? Anyone who confuses tools (SUVs, guns) with the people behind them. Anyone who assumes that a bad habit, lifestyle choice or method of recreation (smoking, meat eating, hunting and/or vacationing at Disney) automatically negates everything else about that person - that is the exact same thing as judging someone by skin color, religion or country of national origin.

Am I sometimes a Bad Liberal (or Progressive, the term I prefer)? You damnbetcha. I'll (personally) try to do better.

[hfojvt]

20. believe that women earn just as much as men in most jobs

:hide:

but I shop at Wal-mart (and with a credit card) too :hide: Plus I respect religion, listen to Ted Nugent and think Ann Coulter is physically attractive. To some, I am not a bad liberal, I am not any sort of liberal at all.

I'm a hetero white male too. :hide:

[imfreaky]

33. simply wow

where are your liberal traits?





ps-my secret....i'd nail ann coulter too. then again, i'd nail pretty much anything. that's why imfreaky :)

[hfojvt]

41. I must have left them in

my journal. On economic issues I am far to the left.

[rhiannon55]

37. Really? You think Ann Coulter

is physically attractive?

Euwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!!!!!!!! Boy, to each his own! :puke:

[The Deacon]

38. Okay You Had Me Up To Coulter

Have you SEEN a recent picture of Ann? I've seen healthier looking corpses (and what is it with her wearing the SAME 'little black dress' to her interview with Lauer, Leno AND Letterman - don't those 'New York Times Bestsellers' pay her enough to buy a couple of outfits at least?)

[hfojvt]

39. ok I am thinking five years ago

if that's not age discrimination.

[The Deacon]

42. I Don't Think She'd Stopped Eating Then

[donheld]

143. You are not a "bad liberal"

You just have bad taste :puke:

[RandiRhodesArchives]

21. What if...

you have no choice but to shop at Walmart?! Some people live in bumblefork podunk places with NO OTHER CHOICE! And eat meat? Com'on! What if you hunt for food? ABC, Disney and SUVs, well you'll get NO arguement from me on those! ;-)

[Jack Rabbit]

24. You're a bad liberal if you're really a neoliberal

[MelliMel]

26. Are religious n/t

.

[sweetheart]

28. And you're a really bad liberal

if you write on internet message boards, that cannabis smoking is
OK, actually quite pleasant at times.

Bad liberals are stoned liberals, then instead of flying about on
magic carpets fixing the world, we instead fill in white space with little
black things, grouped together in sequences to trigger semantic visions
in a series of brains of bodies long dead, living in spinal fluid with
the false illusion of corporal form.

Bad bad liberals are even conservatives at times, refusing to do shit,
not wanting to pay taxes for wars, and even believing that less government is
better by returning franchise to the indivdiual.

[longship]

29. Food is good for you. Eat more food.

Meat is food, too. I could *never* be a vegan.

[A Brand New World]

31. I know - I was accused of being uncivilized last night because

I said I would continue to watch ABC if the Buckeyes were playing on that network. I am not uncivilized and if I want to watch ABC I will. Maybe even if the Buckeyes are not playing. SO THERE!!

[Zomby Woof]

32. I'll play

:bluebox: Approach LIHOP/MIHOP with any, and I mean even the slightest, degree of skepticism and open inquiry.

:bluebox: Postulate that Bill Clinton did so some good things as president, and his two terms were more than the sum of welfare reform and NAFTA.

:bluebox: Enjoy NASCAR.


These types of opinions (and the examples you cited) are born of dogma, heated in a crucible of moral certainty, and dispensed with the fervor of an evangelical. This is a symptom of ideological calcification, and is endemic on both ends of the spectrum. Having been denied power, opportunity, and a voice for so long, many on the Left will succumb to the tendency to cling more and more to their comforting version of the "the truth" as the means of salvation. Problems are large and often seem intractable. So as a means of grappling them, just apply the solutions I know will work best, and everything will be okay.

The neocons have already reached that point. They have the same moral certitude and monopoly on "the truth", and they have been more or less successful in trying to enact these "truths" this past half decade. As progressives, although we must counter the harmful effects of their agenda, we must exercise equal caution that our agenda is not as exacting on dogma and loyalty to the party line - that we must be willing to consider the Big Picture without getting bogged down into 1,000 tiny ones. One of the criteria which makes me a progressive is that I want to embrace change for the betterment of society, reduce and eliminate poverty, ensure fairness and equality under the law, and promote environmental preservation - as well as being able to see the context in everything - thus the Big Picture. George Orwell warned us in Homage To Catalonia that the Left had a tendency to splinter itself based on uncompromising argumentation on what constitutes the 'correct' application of socialism, or communism.

Granted, to those who see boycotting Wal-Mart, or any of the other things listed, as promoting and enacting the same values I espouse above, I would say yes, I agree that it is an effective means. Very sound arguments can be, and are made which demonstrate how shopping at Wal-Mart is damaging to progressive values. But this does not mean that there is a dearth of sound arguments on why shopping at Wal-Mart is a viable option for those residing in rural areas or small suburbs with few options - and yes, I know Wal-Mart probably created those limited options (hence a vicious circle) - and therefore anyone who argues contrary to the prior points must surrender their liberal creds. These kinds of seeming self-contradictions do not sit well with the morally and ideologically certain. As progressives, we should welcome the shades of grey and nuance in arguments, and not become which we despise: Reactionaries.

[Bake]

47. NASCAR? You're going straight to hell, Zomby!

I mean, geez, it wastes gas, it's southern and redneck or at least it used to be, and it glorifies driving fast which wastes gas, and and and and ...

Oh what the heck, I like it too!

Bake

[jhrobbins]

34. OK, here's my response...

Shop at WalMart - I do shop at Wal-Mart when I venture out which is not much; since December, I have been out of my house three times.

Watch ABC - I didn't know we weren't supposed to watcg ABC - what's the deal here?

Go to Disneyland - Little chance of this, since it is difficult for me to go around the block.

Eat meat - OK, I do eat meat and I am trying to change this - this is the only post that I really do want to change a bit.

Own an SUV - I own a Jeep Cherokee that is started about twice a month.

Have a gun and hunt - I have a gun but I don't and never would hunt. I am not going to be a hypocrite here though until I really do stop eating meat, I am not going to act like it is any different than going into a grocery store and buying hamburger.

[DainBramaged]

35. Your opinion, and we could argue for weeks about the shortcomings

of your precious list.

Oh, By the WAY, I guess little crossover-hybrid suv's like the Saturn and FOrd are not permitted either?


Quick, we're caught on a desert island. A case of Spam washes on shore. Do you eat palm fronds and die, or eat Spam and live?


tool

[Susang]

81. I think you may have missed her point

By a mile.

[DainBramaged]

119. I don't care.

[warrens]

36. I'm with you

Political correctness keeps a lot of otherwise liberal people out of our end of the spectrum, and forces them into the arms of the Repukes. It's been the Repuke strategy for decades to find the most idiotic PC people in the world, then paint them as typical Dems. And there is a ton of this nonsense on this board.

If you don't like meat, don't eat it. You are not going to change the minds of the other 95 percent who do eat meat. Smoking is not worse than child-molesting. Not everyone can ride a bike to work each day. Some people need trucks and even SUVs. Guns are highly useful. And if not, they can be fun. I could go on and on and on.

Keep your eyes on the prize. Things like universal health care, living wages, pollution control and the really important shit. Yeah, cows are cute, but they wouldn't even exist if we didn't raise them for food. And if you doubt that, set one free and see how long it lives.

[Beaverhausen]

44. If you're gonna talk the talk, I think you should walk the walk

well, you should at least try to.

I feel it is important to BE THE CHANGE I WISH TO SEE IN THE WORLD - to paraphrase Ghandi.

But I try not to criticize others who don't.

[HughBeaumont]

45. I think mine would be "support job offshoring".

Circumstances prevent some people from following those listed above. WalMart, shitty, cluttered and evil as they are, may be the only shopping option for some. Maybe someone's got a Good Morning America or Daisy Duck itch, I don't know. I'm a barbecuer of ribs and hope there's one last good day before I stick the NB Smoker in the garage for 7 months. Lots of dems are responsible gun owners.

SUVs . .. man I can't defend that. Those shits are gas-guzzling, obstructive, handle poorly, are dangerous and piss me off on the highway. But if they're convenient for the kids . .. :shrug: :bounce:

But yeah, that's always been the one broken camel's back for me. I think if you're all for destroying one middle class to elevate another; if you think that the fallout from someone losing his/her job is nothing more than collateral damage that will work itself out in the end; if you buy into the "retraining" horseshite; If you think The World is Flat is a phenomenal and sensible piece of writing; if you buy into the "xenophobia" argument (ignoring the fact that the American workforce is made up of many races and ethnic groups that are also affected by this) . . .. yeah, then you get dropped in the Red X toilet. Sorry. I've talked to and personally seen too many people's lives ruined because of this practice.

[bamacrat]

46. OR......

You are a bad liberal if you point out that people who act differently than you are bad liberals. I love me some dead cow, pig, chicken, deer, aligator, etc. Guns are not bad in the right hands.

[SeattleGirl]

48. You're a bad liberal if you......

Won't drive 100 miles from your podunk little town so you can avoid shopping at WalMart, the only store IN your podunk little town.

Like NASCAR, and have actually BEEN to a NASCAR race.

Have lived, or still live in the South.

Still watch ABC. Signing petitions and sending emails just won't cut it.

Don't think Ed Schultz is evil incarnate.

Don't use public transportation instead of driving a car. And the fact that you live in a place where public transportation comes no where near you house is no excuse. WALK!

Don't boycott AAR because they fired Mike Malloy.

Watch anything but CSPAN.


You know, I've said it before and I'll say it again -- some people who post on DU are as judgmental and closed minded as the freepers, only with better grammar.

[Nutmegger]

51. Yup that's a good list

Especially about MM and AAR. I seen so many folks flamed just because they had a different opinion.

[SeattleGirl]

63. I just don't get the flaming thing.

On one hand, lots of people here denigrate the freepers for marching in lockstep, but some of those same people flame others on this board if they don't think exactly as they do. :eyes:

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

67. That's Cause Some Of Them Are Merely Hypocritical Narrow-Minded Morans.

:)

[SeattleGirl]

70. Don't you mean "morans"?

:silly:

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

72. Done. LOL

[bobbolink]

86. Shhhh, SeattleGirl, you weren't supposed to notice that!

Did you misplace your blinders again? :hi:

[SeattleGirl]

87. Yikes. Guess I'm a REALLY BAD liberal!

:rofl:

[bobbolink]

89. I'm so very glad I could be of help. ~~chortle~~

Now, get back in line like a good lil' SeattleGirl.

:bounce:

Sometimes I crack myself up.... :+

[SeattleGirl]

91. *snork*!!!!

You owe me a keyboard! :spray:

[bobbolink]

93. It Was Worth It!!

Sometimes replacing a keyboard is a small price to pay for ... well, I'm thinking justice here... :hippie:

Suppose we could all just get along?



Naw.... flames over diddlyshit is ever so much more fun.

Here's to your keyboard-- :toast:

Dang, cracking myself up is just too easy... :hi:

[bobbolink]

97. Hey, Seattlegirl... here's some pictures of another troublemaker...

See, you're in good company.

Sorry about that keyboard thingie... ~~gigglesnort~~

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2162708

[SeattleGirl]

99. Oh my, I sure am!

Coolie! :bounce:

(So, how many keyboards HAVE you ruined? :P )

[bobbolink]

101. Here's a photo you can dance to....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2153611

Suppose he'd make the "Good Liberal" list?

Doan worry about my pile of wrecked keyboards... the good bishop assured me I've been forgiven...

:rofl:

[prolesunited]

74. Don't forget the spelling, too

By their spelling, you shall know the trolls.

[SeattleGirl]

78. You're right!

Spele chekker? What's a spele chekker?

[Blue Belle]

107. Oh yes... spelling. Don't forget the grammar police in that too.

Sometimes it's as if we're posting on a site consisting mainly of English teachers and copy editors. :eyes:

[SeattleGirl]

112. OMG! The grammar police!

Thanks for the reminder, Belle. :rofl:

[bamacrat]

114. OK the live in the south thing is a bit far.....

And I stick up for Yankees.

[SeattleGirl]

115. You do realize that this whole thread is basically

tongue-in-cheek, right? I had to throw that one in there because my dad was from the south, and I have also lived there.

[Bake]

49. If you SMOKE!!!!!!!!

Any item in the news that involves smoking -- any reference to smoking -- brings out the Smoke Nazis (maybe I should call them the Smoke Nannies?) who will tell me exactly why I'm going to hell for smoking.

Bake

[Touchdown]

55. But, you can't smoke in Disneyland, so that's good, right?

What ever will they do? The mind boggles!:crazy:

[Zomby Woof]

58. SMOKING?? You're going straight to hell, Bake!

My tobacco indulgence: I enjoy the occasional cigar. Suppose that also makes me a BAD liberal AGAIN. x(

:spank: for you, since it is my turn to scold you.

[vssmith]

144. Depends on what you smoke!

[SammyWinstonJack]

50. !

:thumbsup:

[Touchdown]

52. How long for Disneyland? It can't be forever, I'll tell you that...

RIGHT NOW!!!!! When the CEO resigns? When they apologize for that fiasco of a mini-series? When they show a pro-liberal mini series? When? What would be good enough?

I know it's ultra-commercial, over-priced, sanitized, and homogenous, but I grew up near the place, went the DL all he time as a kid and still love it. I'm willing to go along with the boycott to make Disney/ABC think twice for a while, but not indefinitely. That new Space Mountain they built looks cool! If they tear down that GAWD AWFUL Small World and build something ultra cool, or they threaten to tear down the Roger Rabbit ride, then I'm breaking it to ride the wizecracking Taxi one last time.

ABC? Nothing worth watching since they hired Tony Danza for a "family comedy" (true jump the shark moment) in the 80s, so no problem for me.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

53. You are a bad liberal if you have more than £50, and I'm serious.

The fact in light of which all moral judgements have to be made is that a few pounds is all it costs to provide medical treatment that can safe a child's life in the third world.

Whenever you buy a CD, you could use that money to save a live instead.

If, like me, you don't let that stop you buying CDs on occasion, you are not merely a bad liberal but a bad person. It's a terrible thing to realise, but it's true: any degree of material wealth is completely incompatible with any degree of personal morality.

People always mock liberals for guilt and self hatred, but the amazing thing is not how much liberals in the first world feel guilty, but how little they do.

[philosophie_en_rose]

54. You are bad liberal if you hate dogs.

You are a bad liberal if you like cats. :hide:

[Nutmegger]

56. Bad Liberal if you like and own Pit Bulls.

And god-forbid if you actually state that there are other vicious breeds!

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

113. It's even worse if you do something like explain that a presa canario

is not a pit bull, even if the asshat who wrote the article says so.

Oh yeah, and don't ever say that an "innocent" breed like a beagle retardedly attacked your German Shepherd. You'll be accused of being a liar who's trying to start a flamewar, because if one person owns a nice beagle then they must all be that way, just like if one pit bull makes the news then all the pit bulls in that city must be destroyed.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

57. I Got Plenty. Live In A Big House, Are Against Forms Of Abortion,

Don't hate Hillary, Don't hate the DNC, watch Nascar, watch Fox (not Fox news, just fox), watch TV at all, don't mind advertising, don't think Burger King is the antichrist, think the majority of obese people are that way of their own doing, are very religious, don't think the election was stolen, don't believe in 9-11 hype theories, don't think that voter verified paper balloting is the be all end all of election strategy, don't research the company of everything you buy to make sure they are blue, don't heat your home with solar energy, don't carpool, don't ride your bike or take a train, smoke, think a fair tax isn't the most horrible thing in the world, think that most people in debt contributed to their situation to a large degree, think that some unions are corrupt, selfish, greedy or lazy, think that some corporations are perfectly fine, think that Joe Lieberman was a democrat, regardless of his voting record on certain issues, think pulling out the troops immediately with no winding down stabilizing plan isn't a good idea, think that Chavez is not a savior, think that Ahmadinejad is a fucking dangerous psychopath, think Castro is a piece of shit, don't agree with everything Cindy Sheehan has done, Could give a rats fat ass about Mike Malloy, Don't think everything in the world is a plot by Karl Rove, own a Plasma TV, use self-checkout lines instead of dumbass checkout clerks or don't donate all of your money to charity.

That's a start. I could probably add even more to it. Lord knows that the false preachy annoying ass nose lifters have a never ending list of shit they look down on others for.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

60. Ok, That's Plenty To Start With. I'm Good For Now. :o)

[ProfessorGAC]

152. You Should Further Reseach "Fair Tax"

I don't disagree with many of your points, but the "fair" tax is an economic disaster in waiting. Don't research it by looking into their point of view. Look into articles in various academic journals in statistics or economics and see those (like me) who have actually done the math around these proposals. I think you'll change your mind.
The Professor

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

173. For Sake Of Clarity, Presence On The List Does Not Mean Agreement On My

part. There are several of them on there I may disagree with, but I wouldn't call someone unliberal for them as I respect the independent opinions of others. The list is merely a collection of things I've seen be catalysts for others to claim 'You're unliberal' in reference to, even if they were things I was not an advocate of. Just a compilation of observations in reference to the OP that I've seen take place.

[datasuspect]

61. not only a bad liberal but a fake one

if you are in the psy ops division of the 101st Fighting Keyboardists and hang around democraticunderground making transparent freeperish posts everyday.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

64. Problem's That One's Perception Of Someone Doing That Can Be Totally Wrong

and merely contrived from the plethora of things found in this thread.

[datasuspect]

66. they aren't that hard to pick out

they really aren't that bright.

keeps the noise level pretty high though.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

68. Sometimes Yes, Sometimes No. Several Here Will Call Out Others As

being freepers in disguise merely because they didn't agree with the group think policy of the moment. Happens all of the time. You probably have the right perception or more accurate perception of when it is or isn't a freeper, but overall there are a ton of "shut up freeper" posts that are ridiculous in their accusation and were made merely because the nose lifter didn't like an opposing opinion.

[datasuspect]

71. i will never call somebody out

as a freeper unless it is painfully obvious and the mods let us play with them.

there are quite a few on my watchlist and they never cease to be a constant source of amusement, so at least they are good for something.

[Mutley]

62. I have

eaten meat, been to Disney WORLD (does that make a difference?), ridden in an SUV, shopped at WalMart, watched ABC, and shot a gun.

Guess I was just fooling myself all those times I voted for liberal Democrats. :shrug:

[LordLovesAWorkingMan]

65. Don't recognize hemp as the greatest substance ever discovered

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

69. Wait, But Hemp Is The Greatest Substance Ever Discovered...

...well, next to bud itself anyway. :)

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

73. If you're fat

Fat is always due to laziness, ignorance, gluttony and other moral turpitude. That's why only freeps are fat. In fact obesity is one of the most reliable signs of someone being a freep. Unless you're a fat child, in which case your parents are freeps.

No word yet on whether being fat as a child makes you grow up into a freep. I hope this oversight is addressed, as I never knew I was a freep till I read it here.

[prolesunited]

75. I don't quite agree with this one

Granted, I think mean things are said about fat people and prejudice certainly is evident here.

Having said that, I don't think I've seen anyone equate being thin or not overweight with being a good liberal. Can you cite some examples of when that's happened?

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

79. Sure

Just about every time there's a thread about Limbaugh, Rove or any other fat neocon, there are plenty of comments that link their weight with their ideology, along the lines of "What do you expect from a fat fuck like that?" Whole categories of bad liberals are fat, like NASCAR fans (fat beer drinkers) and SUV drivers (they need big vehicles to haul around their big butts). I've read comments like this time and again. I don't need DU to make me feel good about myself, thank god, so I shrug it off; but I sure understand how TS/TG's feel when Anne Coulter is demonized for her Adam's apple instead of her reprehensible views.

[prolesunited]

117. I'm sorry you've experienced that

I guess I'm just not as sensitive to that issue as I should be -- not that I've ever made remarks like that. But, you're right, we should focus on issues, not appearances.

I'm glad you can shrug it off, but perhaps I'll mention it now when I see people go off on tangents.

[cigsandcoffee]

76. If you believe 9-11 as it was, but not that the 2004 election was stolen.

n/t

[tammywammy]

77. I'm definitely a bad liberal :)

I was just at Walmart last Friday night. I needed to pick up chips, sodas and ice cream for work for Saturday and with $30 to spend (and needing to get stuff for 25 people) I knew they would be cheapest.

I went to Disney World when I was 4, and though that doesn't really count, I would love to go back.

I eat meat just about every day...and I love it.

I don't own an SUV, but there's a V10 TDI Touareg on our showroom, that I would love to have if I could afford it. It's got a monster under the hood, and I'd love to take that off road.

I don't hunt and also don't own a gun. But, I considered for a long time about getting a gun, well I'm still considering it too.

Oh, and I love Grey's Anatomy, so there's no way I'm boycotting ABC. And I never listened to AAR anyways, so I really don't care that Mike Malloy got fired.

[Flying Dream Blues]

80. Have money. nt

[Susang]

82. But I've always been a bad liberal!

Is there something wrong with that? :evilfrown:

[bobbolink]

83. Thanks! Many of us are feeling the same frustration, just haven't put

it in such good words.

This whole "us and them" stuff is detrimental, and I don't get why DUers don't get it!

Keep on putting others in that "them" pile, and soon you're down to "THe whole world is crazy 'cept me and thee, and sometimes I worry about thee."

We're all in this together, or we simply won't make it. Can't there be room for everyone?!

[Ioo]

88. Screw You! - I think you are a bad liberal for telling others they are.

I own an SUV

I own MANY guns

I eat meat

and sadly I shop a Walmart because I can not afford to take my SUV and drive to other stores

[_testify_]

162. Did you read the whole OP?

[dddem]

92. forgive my ignorance, but

as a liberal, I always thought it was sort of an obligation to tolerate others' views, even when they are at odds with my views. Although I don't shop at walmart, or hunt, and I drive a station wagon (ford - gay friendly last I heard), I love a good steak, just took the kids to Disney and I watch ABC (sometimes). I don't agree with a lot of opinions here, but I enjoy the fact that we can respectfully disagree, and I must admit, I've learned a few things by listening to other points of view. So I think I'm a GOOD liberal. (I'm a bad Catholic, but that's for another thread).

[bobbolink]

95. Wow... sowwy, you're just gonna hafta get with the program...

Doing the power and control schtick of telling others how to live, well, ain't that why we're 'Murkins???

:rofl:

[dddem]

100. dang, I forgot

sorry.:)

[madmusic]

94. Are pro due process n/t

[sendero]

96. Well..

... I got used to, and over, being a bad liberal a long time ago.

I shop for groceries at Wal-Mart (for some things) because I cannot pass up the 30% discount.

I WILL NOT watch ABC or have any business dealings with anyone associated with ABC/Disney, but everyone has to decide which battles to enjoin.

I own SEVERAL guns and plenty of ammo. I think EVERYONE should, especially Liberals.

Our family no longer owns an SUV, but our "3rd" vehicle is a big pickup because I often NEED A TRUCK.

I eat meat, but my wife does not, she is vegan.


So, I do what I can to be a good person and I damn sure don't care about any internet boardster's opinion of my correctness, we all have to live with our own consciences, and I sleep fine :)

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

98. enjoy boating...

Some liberals apparently really disdain boaters.

[SeattleGirl]

102. They'd have a lot to hate around Seattle!

Boats, boats everywhere. :hi:

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

104. Yeah, boats are really bad apparently.

Thank God I didn't bring up my ATV in that thread.

[eridani]

141. You just might be from the Pacific Northwest if you--

--know more people who have boats than who have central air conditioning!

[SeattleGirl]

182. There is a really funny list in the Washington Forum

You might be from Seattle if....... The one about boats is on the list.

[bobbolink]

103. c'mon--let's get this one to the greatest page!

Do I hear a fourth vote?

Fifth?

No, not *taking* the fifth.. or drinking a fifth...

A Fifth Vote!

:dunce:

[baldguy]

105. I'm a bad Catholic too.

[prolesunited]

106. I went from being a bad Catholic

to an agnostic on days I'm feeling magnanimous to an atheist on days the fundies are pissing me off. It seems like there are more lapsed/bad Catholics than practicing ones anymore.

[Seeking Serenity]

108. Don't think Hugo Chavez is all that and a bag of chips.

or like any other foreign leader simply because Chavez likes them, as at least one DUer has suggested.

if president chavez likes the iranian leader, then we should too....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2173720&mesg_id=2174024

[laylah]

109. With all due respect

while I agree with most of your assertions, hunting kept my family of 8 plus fed through many a hard time.

Jenn

[prolesunited]

116. I think you're missing the point of the original post

I don't think any one of those things necessarily makes anyone a "bad liberal." The point of the post was a plea for understanding and tolerance among those who are supposed to be on the same side of the aisle.

There has been quite a bit of divisiveness around here and I think it should stop.

I don't hunt, but my dad did and it, along with fishing, certainly helped put food on the table. My point is that no one should be judged by someone else's standards of what a "good liberal" should or should not do.

[FILAM23]

110. Guess I'll have to vote GOP

considering the only thing on your list that applies to me is I don't own SUV

[pink-o]

111. Actually, you're only a Bad Liberal....

...if you judge others without understanding them. I've heard the best of "liberals" condescend to minorities or those who have less money--but they don't even realise what they're doing.

A good liberal is one always working to eliminate their own prejudices.

PS: except for child molesters. That's where my tolerance ends, and I have no pity for what made them what they are.

[U4ikLefty]

118. Bullshit OP for guilty liberals who need to have thier egos lifted. n/t

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

120. I guess without a

:sarcasm: you didn't realize it's a joke thread.

[U4ikLefty]

121. I guess I need a sarcasm transplant...lol!!! n/t

[prolesunited]

123. Not entirely a joke thread

There is a point about tolerance in it.

[NEDem]

122. ...If you actually like Chuck Hagel

and don't believe the tin foil theories about him.

[ScreamingMeemie]

124. Don't support the candidate that I have personally endorsed to

represent our party.

:hi:

[ScreamingMeemie]

125. Bring your kids out to eat with you...

:hi:

[REP]

127. That's Just Being a Bad Human

Unless crayons come with the menu, of course. :)

[ScreamingMeemie]

128. Nope. My kids go everywhere. They've been ot the Whitney in Detroit.

Angelo and Maxie's in D.C. and even gasp the restaurant in the Belagio... I'm a pretty good human. Thanks. :)

[REP]

130. You're SO Welcome!

I'm not a Vegas person - not really into buffets, but I'm sure it was a lot of fun! :hug:

On edit: In Detroit and never to the Squat'n'Gobble?

[dannofoot]

134. What? The Bellagio?

I tried to take my kids there when they were like 7 & 8...and was stopped by security at the door and told to turn the hell around...all we wanted to do was have lunch at the buffet. Later, we (Mrs. Dannofoot & I) had dinner at Prime, but...what, can you slip a $20 to the doorman to sneak the kids in?

[REP]

126. How Dare You Be Tolerant! BAD Liberal!

I don't shop at WalMart and I don't hunt but as far as I can remember, I don't think I've jumped anyone's shit over either. As far as I can remember.

But if you go to Disneyland, you will BURN IN HELL. Not because Disney represents everything that is shallow and vapid in the US, or because of that TV movie ... just because.

Oh, I thoght of another: being either pro-Palestine or Pro-Israel. Doesn't matter which; either will get you labeled Not a Real Liberal. (Personally, I think they both suck, which probably makes me doubly Not a Real Liberal.)

[REP]

129. Don't 100% Support Public Breast Feeding Anyplace, Anytime

If you turn your head, you're NOT A LIBERAL! If you watch, you're NOT A LIBERAL! If you think that there may be a few times and places when it's not appropriate to whip out a breast, you're going to BURN IN HELL and you HATE BABIES plus you're NOT A LIBERAL!

[ItNerd4life]

165. LOL! I forgot about that one.

Thanks for the laugh. Many guys do want public breast feeding, as long as they can stare and drool. Maybe even lend a helping hand? :bounce:

[woo me with science]

131. insist on evidence before deciding a man is guilty of sexual assault.

[yewberry]

132. ...don't eat meat.

Fucking food-nazi, nanny-stater, protein-deprived, pasty-faced PC hypocritical KOOKS, the lot of them!

:hi:

[aaronbees]

133. Believe in banning horse slaughter for consumption...

That one threw me for a real loop.

Great post and ... food for thought ;)

[Triana]

135. Well I'm a perfect liberal then...

....thank you for verifying that!

;)

[Moochy]

136. Post silly divisive threads pointing out other divisive threads

[sakabatou]

137. Your posts are rated a "5" at fstdt.com

[Kurovski]

138. A bad Liberal is better than a good Right-winger.

And I'm a BAAAD liberal.

[DarkTirade]

140. How is owning a gun and hunting being a bad liberal?

Even gun owners can support gun control legislation. Hell, if you're totally against letting people use guns as weapons, then a hunting rifle should be the only gun available anyway. Because it's not made for personal use or concealability. (unless you've got a REALLY BIG trenchcoat.)

[B Calm]

145. It's not! Citizens right to gun ownership is a liberal idea!

[benEzra]

161. Only for criminals and the irresponsible...

Hell, if you're totally against letting people use guns as weapons, then a hunting rifle should be the only gun available anyway. Because it's not made for personal use or concealability. (unless you've got a REALLY BIG trenchcoat.)

I'm not against people using guns as weapons at all; I'm just against criminals and the irresponsible doing so.

Most gun owners own them for their defensive utility, with recreational target shooting coming in second place and hunting a distant third; only 1 in 5 gun owners is a hunter.

My wife and I own several guns between us, but not a single "hunting weapon" (though a number of our rifles, including her SKS, my civvie AK lookalike, and our Mosin-Nagants, would be suitable for deer, were we among the minority of gun owners who hunt).

Dems and the Gun Issue - Now What?

The way some people state it, you're an evil right-winger if you own a nonhunting gun. Which is just as much BS as saying you're an evil right-winger for owning a hunting gun.

[DarkTirade]

196. I agree. I've always been one of those who is in favor of gun

CONTROL, but that doesn't mean you have to keep law-abiding citizens from having them. Just violent criminals.

[BlueEyedSon]

142. You vote with your dollars, choose wisely

IOW try to support locally owned businesses that pay a fair wage vs WalMart.
If you must go bix box, Costco is a "blue-er" alternative.

[Beaverhausen]

177. I think you and I are the only ones here who feel this way

I do think it's important to use your dollars to support liberal businesses.

[BlueEyedSon]

194. I say it all the time "you vote with your dollars". Peace.

[The Backlash Cometh]

146. This reminds me of a South Park episode...

[maine_raptor]

147. A "Bad Liberal" is one

who bitches and moans and posts on DU about how bad Bush and the Republicans are and then

DOESN'T VOTE!!!

As for guns and hunting..........they'll have to take my M60 from my cold dead hands first.

[OnionPatch]

148. Three out of six, uh-oh

I drive an SUV (if any charity-minded liberal out there wants to buy me a new, fuel efficient car to replace it, I'm game!) Hubby has guns and hunts (and he's very liberal) and we both eat meat.

On the other hand, I haven't set a foot in a WalMart for years, I wouldn't watch ABC if you paid me and my six year-old-daughter is going to have to live without that obligatory childhood trip to Disneyland.

Big tent, everyone, big tent or we render ourselves insignificant.

[ProfessorGAC]

149. If You've Ever Been To ProfessorGAC's House!

Hey there, Proles. I really don't have anything to add to your list. Just being a wise guy.
The Professor

[prolesunited]

174. Hey there!

:hi:

[FredStembottom]

150. A bad liberal is one that is slightly discolored........

and has a "vinegar" smell.

[izzybeans]

151. Haggis here Get your Haggis

I've started door to door Haggis sales via my SUV. My supplier is Sams Club and I've just started running ads on ABC. Now if could only get that Haggis World pitch into the execs. at Disney. I'd really love to move this operation to Epcot.

[MiniMandaRuth]

153. Own an iPod or an apple computer.

Even though the company donates 99% blue, Steve Jobs owns disney stock. Ooooo...

[Eurobabe]

154. Move out of the United States

You should stay here and fight!

Don't tell me where to live. I absentee vote.

[Touchdown]

155. ...think bigotry is sometimes just bigotry

Oh' no! we can't have that. Any CON who says nasty things about gays must be a raging homo themselves, because they can't possibly be straight like us enlightened liberals. Just pack Rove, Scotty, Bush, Frist, Sanctimorum, Fatwell, etc. in with the fag and dyke clan, because they are sure don't play on our team!:puke:

...and everybody in the KKK is black, as well as Tancredo secretly wants to cross the Arizona desert to pick lettuce for $3 an hour.:eyes:

[4_TN_TITANS]

156. Meat eating, gun owning, Cherokee drivin' liberal here!

With the our family and all the gear we carry around, we need the car space. The wife and kids would go beserk without good grilled meat on a regular basis.....

[Ian_rd]

157. I eat tasty animals and own a gun, but you will never see me at Wal-Mart

Being a meat eater SHOULD make someone a liberal considering how the mega-food corps produce their meat. Did you know they actually feed BEEF to COWS!!!!

Buy Organic!

[Virginia Dare]

158. Live in the south and/or have southern heritage...n/t

[lectrobyte]

159. Fuck making lists, I'll shake hands with the devil hisself if it'll help

get my country back.

[DrunkenMaster]

160. Not Bad, Just Totally Freaking Clueless

Look, if you are driving around with an anti-Bush sticker on the back of an SUV, you don't get it.

If you think you hate child labor, sweatshops, and unfair business practices that kill the little guy but you still shop at Wal-Mart, you have missed the point.

If you are frightened by media consolidation but listen to Air America on a Clear Channel station instead of locally produced shows aired on indie or community media outlets, you just may be working against your own beliefs.

If you want to feed and clothe every person on the face of this planet yet you eat beef as often as possible, you either haven't read enough or you don't understand the problem.

Is some of this unavoidable? OF COURSE IT IS: we are living in the middle of the largest and most effective hegemonic colonizing force in history, hyper-capitalism. You can't make it through life (at least life "in the grid") without acknowledging that fact and living with its reality. It is when you allow this reality to lower every act you may take in rebellion against this horrid mega-machine into a haze of equivocation that you lose your way. It doesn't matter what you say you believe -- that vanishes as soon as the words disintegrate into the wind or the paper hits the recycling bin -- what counts is how you act on those beliefs to help bring the planet back from the edge of oblivion. If you allow cynicism and equivocation to win, we all lose.

[Beaverhausen]

187. Thanks for this post

I wonder about this place lately...

[YOY]

163. Don't think the Union workers ARE ALWAYS right and NEVER LAZY.

n/t

[T_i_B]

164. You're a "bad liberal" if you go to Church

You would certainly get that impression from reading DU. Sectarian secularism is increasingly the fashion on the left and all too often it seems like people with any sort of religious faith are simply not welcome on the left at all.

Beside that? Well there are a few people on the left who do look down on people like me for the heinous crime of supporting a football team for one.

Some people get all in a huff about where you shop (as you point out, although over here most of the bile is directed towards Tesco). The fact that all too often there ain't much choice about where to shop anyway, or that shopping in an ideologically pure manner is hideously expensive just does not register with some people.

Some people think that going to certain schools or being part of organisations such as the Scouts makes you a bad liberal.

Some people think that donating to the wrong sort of Charities (such as Christian Aid) makes you a bad liberal.

Some people think that disliking drugs and disliking the company of druggies makes you a bad liberal.

Some people also think that you are a bad liberal if you are in certain jobs. The fact that often it's a choice between a job that is not ideologically pure and not having a job at all just does not register with some people.

[Perky]

169. Amen, Amen and Amen

[tavalon]

166. I get that this attitude bothers you

but your last lines really do sum up the actual liberal slant - let your conscience be your guide. As a liberal, your conscience is not a vestigal organ as it is with so many Repblicans. So, use it, and then don't get your nose in a snit about the Miss Grundys on our side of the aisle.

[meldroc]

167. I guess that makes me a bad liberal

seeing that I now own two guns, have hunted in the past, and eat meat.

I really try not to give my business to Wal-Mart, or Disney, and I absolutely don't give my eyeballs to ABC after Path to 9/11. And I drive a 30MPG Jetta, not an SUV.

[Swamp Rat]

168. Is this what is commonly known as a circular firing squad?

:shrug:

[557188]

170. Someone who uses the word liberal

Use the word progressive people. It's the correct word.

[ShortnFiery]

172. I will forever be a LIBERAL, whatever you wish to call yourself is

your business alone.

God Bless America! :patriot:

[ShortnFiery]

171. This is a waste of time ...

We have a difficult time countering the Right Wing's INSANE stereotypes, :wtf: useful is it to promote more of our own. :shrug:

I don't want any part of this circular firing squad. :thumbsdown:

[prolesunited]

175. I think you missed the entire point of this thread

as did others obviously.

It's not about promoting stereotypes and it's entirely about ending the circular firing squad threads that have been popping up here.

I threw out a few hot button issues that seem to divide the board, with some charging others are "bad liberals" because they don't follow the herd.

[TheFriedPiper]

178. Driving an SUV doesn't make you a bad liberal

It just makes you an asshole

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

183. What if the asshole actually has a legitimate reason for driving the SUV?

[Beaverhausen]

188. What percentage of SUV drivers really need it?

I can think of only one person I know who drives an SUV that really needs one.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

190. Well, I don't have percentages but in some parts of the country

4WD is pretty necessary. Also, anybody that tows stuff regularly is going to need something bigger than a car. That being said, there is no excuse for driving a hummer and I doubt people with luxury SUVs are going to be the ones getting their car dirty.

[TheFriedPiper]

191. I guess they get the asshole exception loophole

both of them

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

192. ...

:eyes:

[fujiyama]

179. You're a bad liberal

...if you believe that Islamic fundamentalism is a real threat and Islamist terrorism exists.

...You express skepticism of MIHOP theories.

...You don't support anyone that hates Bush, including other fanatical and authoritarian leaders of other nations.

...You don't use a MAC.

[Spinoza]

180. Your a bad liberal if you----

--support ANY laws limiting the right to an abortion by female adults.
--support ANY laws limiting the right to read or consume pornography by adults.
--support ANY laws limiting the right of consenting adults to marry regardless of gender.
--support ANY laws limiting the right of adults to consume narcotics.
--support ANY laws allowing ANY form of censorship for ANY reason.
--support a Draft (involuntary servitude) for ANY reason.
--defend dictatorships or genocide anywhere in the world. (That doesn't you are obligated to physically attack dictatorships or physically prevent all genocides by armed attack, but a liberal cannot defend them as decent or moral.)
--support ANY laws which would forbid a 'pulling of the plug' in a Terry Schiavo type case.

[Red Right and BLUE]

181. Good post.

Sometimes I feel like DU is getting a little too lock-step for my liking.

[Lilith Velkor]

184. Like porn

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

185. Fortunately, there are sex-positive feminists around.

It's scary when liberals act like fundies once porn is brought up.

[T Town Jake]

186. Devoutly watched every episode of "Fat Actress"...

:evilgrin:

[leftofthedial]

189. good liberals can eat meat

and own guns and hunt


but you can't believe any conspiracy theory or any part of a conspiracy theory or question the official explanations of major events like the Kennedy assassination or 9-11, because to do so might embarass Democrats and liberals in the eyes of right wingers.

[kath]

195. if you homeschool.

(too tired to "get into it" tonight...)