Jim Webb is destroying George Allen on MTP

[Coexist]

Allen looks like a primping lackey for this administration.

Webb has facts, dates, data of all sorts on hand.

Allen has "ideas" and "democracy" and "keeping us safe" and nothing else.

Allen seems like someone who knows NOTHING about the military, and is told only what they feel he needs to know. Webb had boatloads of credibility. This was an embarassing mistake for Allen.

Go Webb. Virginia is going to be a blue-ish shade of purple.

Damn.

[Roland99]

1. "What we have created in Iraq is a much freer and greater society in Iraq"

[Coexist]

2. that's what I mean - he seems ridiculously out of touch

even the idiotic 19% must think he looks like a fool - even if they hold their noses and vote for him.

[Roland99]

3. Even Goebbels would be shaking his head in disbelief

[Catchawave]

8. Yes indeed, another WTF moment

brought to you by the Bush Administration.

I think MTP is airing/playing in all time zones and markets today, I look forward to more live blogging, thoughts and cheers from the DU community today.

As today, Jim Webb did the Democrats proud, and without no stinking politician talking points.

Donate to Jim in my linky, even $5 inspires him

[jean]

15. is there an amount we're using to indicate we're from DU?

[Coexist]

18. good question. eom

[druidity33]

55. $20.06 is standard... nt

[jean]

62. Thank you!

[Cha]

16. Cute! You've inspired me

to a send little something.

[SCRUBDASHRUB]

72. I stopped by the C'ville Webb office and hubby and I donated

$10 to his campaign (that's all we could afford to give at the time).

Go Jim! Allen's such an assclown!

[CarlVK]

84. GUFFAWWWWWW!!!!

Thank you for the first belly laugh of my day!!

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

4. He really is about as dumb as a bag of hammers, isn't he?

Reminds me of Bush without the phony Texas accent. All platitudes, no analysis.

[lonestarnot]

6. Dee Dee Dee!

[Catchawave]

21. Where did I just see dee dee dee....

Mind of Mencia? Madtv?

[lonestarnot]

47. Mencia. He did a song. Fucking hysterical.

[Coexist]

7. Allen is working hard to keep that pleasant look on his face.

Webb seems so substantive, Allen all flash.

[peaches2003]

22. LOL

But he does wear the cowboy boots! He's a Bush clone including his brain and arrogant attitude.

[lonestarnot]

5. 300 Billion?

Stand by your ignorant decision stay the fucking course you idiot!

[spanone]

10. Allen has no idea what he is talking about.

Once he gets passed the Bush* talking points he's an ignorant son of a bitch.

[Coexist]

11. ...and that is coming through loud and clear, imho

OMFG - did he just say that waterboarding had produced good intelligence.

Ha - there's a clip for you.

[Nitrogenica]

9. Permanent Military Bases are being built all over Iraq

duhh

[Coexist]

12. Ha - Timmy won't let Allen spin...

'just answer the question I asked, moron.'

(note - he didn't really say that in so many words, just in repeating the correct question)

[abluelady]

14. But Russert Did Let Allen Keep Running His Mouth

Russert barely allowed Jim to talk. Jim did a great job when he could respond. And not keeping bases permanently in Iraq was such an outright lie. The lies are overlooked so quickly.

[Coexist]

17. I don't know - Webb spoke a lot, in my opinion

and when he did, I was impressed.

He did give equal time, and shut Allen down several times when he tried to cut in or spin. I was happy with MTP today.

[abluelady]

52. Good!

I hope people saw it your way rather than mine. I do think Allen overtalked but I don't think he said anything. He is like a wind up toy spouting the gop talking points. Webb, though I don't think got to speak enough, said good stuff everytime he spoke.

[SCRUBDASHRUB]

73. Let Allen talk. More ammo for Webb to use.

[Cha]

13. How smart can someone be

who pimps for this organization? And has the eternal Macaca on his back?

[Roland99]

19. Did Webb just say a woman in a male military academy is a horny one??

[Stinky The Clown]

24. No he didn't say that .... he explained it

Webb made it pretty clear that what he wrote and said in 1979 is different from what he now says and believes. He also explained well the context of the remarks.

I would FAR prefer someone own what they said long ago and then point out that they have matured and evolved than try to either deny it, brush it off, or continue to defend it.

[yankeedem]

20. How about the response to that French slam by Allen

"What do the french have to do with this? I was in Vietnam. George Allen wasn't in Vietnam, even the French were in Vietnam".

KA-POWWW!!!!!

[ChairmanAgnostic]

23. STAY THE COARSE!

Webb seems like a real smart man. the yin and yang political race.

[Coexist]

25. Webb did a nice job of defending himself on his women's positions.

[Coexist]

26. HERE COMES MACACA!!!

I am looking forward to this.

[DesertRat]

27. "Macaca was made up....I had no idea...." LIAR

[Zynx]

50. Oh, so he just made up an ethnic sounding name?

That is sooooo much better!/sarcasmn

That would be like if I saw an Asian man in the audience and I said "Chingchangchong over there!".

[DesertRat]

66. Exactly!

I hope the voters see him for the racist LIAR that he is!

[durrrty libby]

28. Macacaaaaaaaaaaaa

Allen is such an effin LIAR

[Stinky The Clown]

29. Macaca gotcha!

He is SO OBVIOUSLY lying his ass off. "I didn't know what it meant'. 'I made it up'.

Fat Timmy now going after Felix's racist past.

[Coexist]

33. "a level playing field" - what a lame football alalogy.

"ooh look, a black man endorsed me" he is pretty sad.

[Coexist]

30. Oh please, he just "made up" Macaca.

Nice work bringing up Allen's history of racism.

[Catchawave]

42. He didn't make up "intent on demeaning" :)

So glad Tim played that clip, it *proved* intent on embarrassing that young man. It wasn't the word Macaca, he could have called Sidarth a "lovely lotus blossom" the intent was to demean him.

[Stinky The Clown]

31. The noose!

"I grew up in a football family ....... "

Ohferkrissakes ......

[Stinky The Clown]

35. "I would never offend anyone .... "

His apology is an insult in the way he framed it.

[Coexist]

36. yes it is. n/t

[Ignacio Upton]

80. ...And Allen was a shitty QB in college

n/t.

[DesertRat]

32. Says he's not racist because he grew up in a "football family"

[Catchawave]

38. Well, d'oh, I live in a football AND Lacrosse family

borderline NASCAR....how lucky am I

[Pithy Cherub]

56. He and his dad are major assholes.

A football family - what the heck is that? Like the coneheads...

[TahitiNut]

67. That's just a way to explain his skin -- since he's a f&cking PIG.

(Sorry for the insult-by-association, dear pigs.)

[Roland99]

34. Allen was anti-establishment and still is?!?!?!

[TahitiNut]

68. Spinning the myth of the 'liberal establishment'

Delusions in Dizzyland.

[Coexist]

37. "Allen has rasied more money in Hollywood than I have"

glad he got that in.

[DesertRat]

39. They both chew tobacco

[malaise]

40. Allen was atrocious

all talking points.

[benny05]

44. Allen has no backbone

Can't believe he's even thinking about the Presidency let alone being re-elected to the Senate.

Webb kicked Allen's ass. It was more clear to me who the real leader was.

[Coexist]

41. ::: VIDEO: Colbert on Allen :::: hysterical.

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/09/17/colbert-report...

[lonestarnot]

53. Oct 10 gathering of all ethnic friends, minimacacca 10k a plate.

[FULL_METAL_HAT]

43. BTW here's the "official" thread from the 9am viewing :^)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

We had a lot of fun ... Allen really makes a bag of hammers, or a box of rocks, or dozen eggs LOOK SMART...

I feel sorry for him considering his campaign manager must be hammering the "lets go for the imbecile next door touch"!!



{B^> FMH

[Cha]

46. I think george's campaign manager

said.."just be yourself"! Thanks for the link!~

[Coexist]

49. thanks - I was watching and had to express my happiness over Webb's

performance - missed that thread -but I get the 10:00 viewing.

[Recursion]

45. The Old Dominion is blue, damn it...

Virginia is the cradle of the Democratic party in America and has given the country 4 Dem Presidents, the first elected African American governor of a state (a Democrat), and who knows, maybe a 5th Dem President in '08. Sic semper tyrannis!

[malaise]

48. What amazes me is that these journalists will not ask

direct questions like 'Do you support torture -yes or no'? Interrogation methods my ass.

[Nimrod2005]

51. I think Webb won....!

[Catchawave]

54. Yes he did !

Especially that Timmy started with...you supported Allen (2000) before you didn't...History was made today kids!

[babylonsister]

57. Allen IS a box of rocks! No independent thinking, just

repeating the party line. What a bore! And he has prez aspirations?
Can you see him in a debate?

[stepnw1f]

60. He Looked Like a Wind-Up Doll

Just another "Used-Car Salesman".... except their industry is the "Military Industrial Complex" and people are dying for their greed.

[citizen snips]

58. video?

[Coexist]

81. ::: VIDEO ::::: on the right under Digital MTP

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14720480/

[citizen snips]

82. thanks

[stepnw1f]

59. Allen Got His Ass Handed to Him

All that idiot had were scripted talking points, all of which are ineffective in a debate today. These GOP clowns are seriously fucking the World up with their bullshit. We need to give the GOP the boot in November, BIGTIME!

[kentuck]

61. Webb kicked the "macaca" out of him..

[stepnw1f]

63. Nah... Allen is a Macaca...

[Zynx]

64. Allen became unhinged at a couple points.

He started waving his hands all over the place and raising his voice and becoming dismissive.

[Penndems]

65. The bottom line is this:

Jim Webb knew what the hell he was talking about.

Senator Allen did not.

It'll be nice to have two former Secretaries of the Navy in the United States Senate representing the Commonwealth of Virginia.

[Berry Cool]

69. Could someone please explain to me

what a noose has to do with football?

That was a subtlety I never did pick up.

[blue cat]

70. I didn't watch

but Allen has a noose in his office that he says was a gift.

[Berry Cool]

78. I know that. Russert asked him about it and his answer was to say

he came from a football family! And went on about how football taught him that everyone was equal because he learned to value the contributions of everyone to the team, no matter what color.

That's what I thought was hilarious. He never actually explained how the noose tied in to all this (pardon the pun). Or why a guy who believed in people's equality would keep a noose in his office.

And if it's a gift as he claims it is...well, isn't he a little ashamed of accepting a gift he has never actually used?

[bluedeminredstate]

71. George Allen's new campaign slogan:

"Just as stupid as Bush!"

Oh. My. God. I never could have imagined he could be as vacuous and dumb as he came across. I've always said he is the stupidest person in the Senate, but WOW! Jim Webb used him like a human mop - just like they do at Gitmo (see Rolling Stone story). Of course, I deplore torture, but maybe it's not so bad for those who advocate for the practice to get a little real life experience.

[SCRUBDASHRUB]

74. This is good stuff!

"You're going down, George!"

[Hippo_Tron]

75. Does anybody know what time this will be repeated?

[Bumblebee]

77. 10 pm ET on MSBC

see also

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...

[ProgressiveEconomist]

76. Did the amendment Allen stole from Durbin come up? The one

for verterans' health care Durbin already had had printed, when Allen cut in line to speak ahead of Dick Durbin at the last minute, IIRC?

[Berry Cool]

79. Well, they both sounded sort of stupid when they both admitted

to chewing tobacco. "Oh, but I never do it in public!"

OK, it is their private business if that's what they choose to do. But when one of them quoted Mark Twain about trying to correct other people's vices, and they both laughed heartily, I just sat there and thought, "OK, guys, laugh it up while you can. Someday you may have no jaws, mouth or tongue to laugh it up with--so by all means, laugh today!"

[ProgressiveEconomist]

86. Sounds like what I'd call competition for the rural vote. IIRC, Virginia

has or had almost 70 counties, where who knows what kind of election chicanery takes place.

[ProgressiveEconomist]

89. Scratch that. There are 100 counties in Virginia, according to the list

at http://www.census.gov/population/cencounts/va190090.txt

[babylonsister]

85. Wasn't that Santorum? Maybe not; they're both equally dumb

in my book.

[ProgressiveEconomist]

88. No. It was Allen. Here's a link to Wonkette--it was really outrageous!

http://www.wonkette.com/politics/george-allen/george-al...

[babylonsister]

90. Thanks for the link. nt

[spanone]

83. Another lifelong politician chickenhawk. No substance only soundbites.

[H2O Man]

87. It's on again!

On MSNBC (6 pm est). I enjoyed it enough earlier, to watch it again!

[AlCzervik]

91. This answer right here i thought was beyond pathetic-

MR. RUSSERT: Before I let Mr. Webb respond, did you say to Jim Webb you were voting for the war so as to not be disloyal to President Bush?

SEN. ALLEN: I was supporting our efforts of our administration. It was bipartisan support for this resolution, because I thought we needed to show unity of resolve so that Saddam Hussein, it was my hope, would see how resolved, how unified the United States was, as well as the United Nations, and would actually comply with the weapons inspections.

MR. RUSSERT: The, the concern being if in fact you cast that vote out of loyalty to President Bush...

SEN. ALLEN: No, it’s loyalty to this country, and making sure that our country is unified in, in this, in this effort to disarm Saddam Hussein. That was the point.

So essentially what he's saying is that he voted for the war in Iraq to take the temperature of american unity. If that answer alone doesn't sink him than nothing will, imo Allen cemented himself today as a Bush yes man, a typical rubber stamp republican. Allen is a total amateur.