Bush's Hissyfit with David Gregory now on Crooks and Liars...

[MsKandice01]

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/09/15/bush-presser-and-gregory

Okay, I just watched this twice and I have no friggin idea what Bush is talking about. All I'm hearing is an incoherent tantrum. I know he's full of shit, granted, but can anyone decipher for me what he's TRYING to say? I'm lost. What "program" specifically is he talking about?

[tularetom]

1. Retroactive legalization of the torture techniques they've been using

so the "professionals" can have "clarity" about what the law is. What he's really in such a snit about is the fact that his sorry ass might be drug into the Hague on war crimes charges. He could care less about the "professionals", the whiny little subhuman POS.

[rrasile]

6. War Crimes?

I got news for you. He won't be the only one tried for war crimes and each one of them know it well. I would guess that they all know that there will be very few countries that they will feel safe enough to go get some of that easy money that fools pay to sit a listen to their shit.
Look at all the dangerous spots that President Clinton's been to. Does anyone really think that GW will be able to jet around the world that way. I don't think so, I believe that he's going to be cutting firewood until his hands blister.

[Kierkegaard]

10. ...and after he's finished with the firewood,

he should have to work the McDonald's drive-thru in hell for all eternity.

[WinkyDink]

27. He hates the world; why would he travel?

It's not like he's interested in history or culture or anything.

[The Backlash Cometh]

54. We can't let them get away with this. These people keep breaking the

laws and keep getting free rides. We never get a Get out of Jail card, why should they?

[az chela]

2. I MAke the rules,see!!!

And you will obey me or you will be sorry

[Marie26]

3. Torture

We've been torturing suspects, though it violates the Geneva Convention. Previously, Bush said the GC didn't apply to "enemy combatants", so we could treat them however we want. I think he probably personally authorized the torture of suspects. But now, the Supreme Court ruled that the GC does apply to enemy combatants. So now they're stymied. The intelligence officers are refusing to torture, because it's clearly illegal under the SC decision & they're worried about war crimes prosecutions. So now Bush wants new US legislation "interpreting" the Geneva Convention to retroactively legalize the torture of suspects. It's BS. It's a way for him to avoid war crimes charges after the Dems. take control. And it's a way to give enough legal cover to allow the torture to continue. I love how he whines about how the SC decision "stopped the program." GOOD!

[Lethe]

8. bush said the interregators were following the law

but obviously, if congress has to pass new legislation to make the interrogator's previous actions legal, that would imply that what they were doing was illegal.

it is retarded. basically what * is saying is that he can decide to make anything illegal or legal, just by saying so. Congress actually passing the law is just some sort of trivial formality, as well as the SC upholding it.

[Jack Rabbit]

53. Bush is concerned about adverse court rulings

His unitary executive theory (something that was refuted in 1974 when Nixon was forced for office) doesn't hold water and the courts won't have it.

He needs more than a memorandum (pdf) the White House Counsel to treat POWs and other detainees as he does. In the aforementioned memo, then-White House Counsel Alberto Gonzales called the Geneva Conventions "quaint". The Supreme Court ruled this summer that they aren't quaint; they are treaties to which the US is a party and therefore the law of the land. So Mr. Bush wants Congress to codify the Gonzales memo. It defines torture in such a way that if Torquemada didn't employ it, then it isn't torture.

[marions ghost]

49. thanks

for a good explanation.

This is of course why he is so over-wrought about this subject.

[Bluebear]

4. "It's just not going to go forward!" I can't understand his answer at all.

Which is nothing new.

[thereismore]

22. It means

I can't continue torturing people when the Supreme court tells me I have to obey the Geneva Convention. I am too scared to do that. I might be prosecuted for that under the current wording of the law. That's why I have to change the Geneva Convention to make torture legal.

[Bluebear]

23. Thank you.

And I have to hand it to you, you actually made sense of his gobbledygook :)

[jazzjunkysue]

55. But it really means that today, he finally got it that he's going to jail

and he's pissed.

I'll bet he told Rummy and Dick and Harriet and Condi that they're all wrong: He's the preznit and the americans will support him no matter what.

I'll bet he went off on his own, without his handlers and grabbed that mic thinking he's really the preznit and his word really matters.

He found out otherwise.

[Jade Fox]

63. Seems like he was trying to make himself sound like the one....

who is concerned about illegal interrogation "techniques".

Meanwhile he can barely put one thought in front of the other.

Pretty valiant effort on Gregory's part to put the question in terms any idiot could understand (what if they did the same to us?), but not the Bush idiot!

[RangerSmith]

5. What a croc

all the torture, detainment, and wiretap laws he's been breaking over the last 5 yrs were at one time or another "clarified" or passed by congress.

[annabanana]

7. "program" or pogrom?. .

just askin'

[indepat]

47. Take your pick

[Vinca]

9. You almost have to feel sorry for Bush.

The guy is so dim he doesn't realize he said he thought it would be a good thing if another country tortured and tried our soldiers according to their interpretation of the Geneva Conventions. What a total fool.

[Bluebear]

13. Um, he needs it CLARIFIED! CLARIFIED, dammit!

:crazy:

[Oreo]

20. He's so dumb

He needs My Pet Goat clarified

[havocmom]

41. The 'professionals' know what's legal or il. The imbecile just got a clue

that it hasn't been legal and he signed the paper. Ooops. Karen must've given him the Geneva Convention Coloring Book or something.

It is satisifying to consider he is sweating bullets right now and Unca Dick must be loads of fun to deal with.
:evilgrin:

Bet Alberto is in the dog house, after telling the boss it was just fine...

[jazzjunkysue]

56. "Geneva Convention Coloring Book" Hysterical!

Harriett: Try to do better, next time.

[havocmom]

62. Yeah, now let me know which guy on TV steals THAT line

Seems they have been surfing DU for lines again. ;)

[Lethe]

14. yeah he said that he hoped other countries would use our standards

which is torturing in secret prisons?!

[tnlefty]

70. Another "Bring'em On" moment! I heard this while in the car when Randi

played it on her show, and my jaw dropped and hung for a moment. I noticed a man staring at me and I closed my mouth. I couldn't believe it. Hearing it was bad enough but watching this was somehow even worse!

[lapfog_1]

11. Also, he is implying

that "since article 3 is 'vague'... and intelligence people are worried that they are breaking the law
by stuffing someones head into a toilet bowel and making them think they will drown... then they will simply
refuse to do any interrogations anymore until they get a retroactive CYA law. Which means no more
disrupted terror plots.

So... either YOU (the american people) call up congress and get them to allow us to torture people...
and having gotten something from the terror suspects, allow us to use it and any other made up shit we
like in getting a kangaroo court conviction on their sorry asses OR we won't question anyone about anything
anymore... and whatever terror plots are about to unfold will be YOUR fault for not letting us be evil
bastards.

[sabra]

12. "next man, next man, I SAID NEXT MAN"

"you took a long time to unravel, and a long time to ask you question"

In other words STFU

:mad:

[alstephenson]

21. AND YOU NEVER ANSWERED THE QUESTION!

What a dumb f***!

[JanusAscending]

25. At that point in his TIRADE,

I was hoping his head would explode!! Damned fool!! I'm still waiting for the day that his "people" have to drag him from the mike kicking and screaming!! Maybe even in a straight jacket!! Are they blind? Can't they see he is on the BRINK??? Oh, go ahead, let him go, on and on and on 'til he hangs himself!!:bounce: :dunce:

[Jack Rabbit]

15. Thank you

It really isn't worth having an idiot box in the house and paying for cable or satellite service just to watch the MSM half hour of corporate propaganda formally known as a newscast. I wonder how much of that will be on the program formally known as network news this evening.

So, I appreciate seeing these unadulterated, uncensored and unedited bits from Bush's comedy routine.

He was really outrageous. I may have more to say about that later.

Also, I suffer from clinical depression and know it is important for people like me to remember to take our meds. Will somebody please remind Mr. Bush to take his?

[davidwparker]

35. Go with the satellite and watch Free Speech TV or Link TV

[burythehatchet]

16. You look beautiful Dave.

[VolcanoJen]

17. You're playing a blame-game, David, and we're not going to let you...

... get into blame-gaming.

Oh, wait... different press conference, different idiot.

[ShortnFiery]

26. "Should I go to someone else till you're ready" "Take your time"

"The point I made is the Most Important Point!!!"

What a bully! I'm so embarrassed that he sets in the same seat as Thomas Jefferson. Please come back Thom and save us from King George AGAIN?!? :-)

[WhiteTara]

50. what a condescending SOB

IMPEACH GEORGE BUSH AND SEND THEM ALL TO THE HAGUE

[City Lights]

51. Yeah, after going through those gyrations.

:wtf:

I think chimpy's in love... :boing:

Poor David.

[Yoda Yada]

18. On one hand Bush says "debate is important"....

...and on the other hand, he makes it painfully clear...

DON'T YOU DARE question me!:crazy:

(All of Bush's people PRETEND to encourage debate....but if you ask an uncomfortable question or present an opposing opinion, they label you as an "appeaser".)

I'd like someone to ask the Republicans.....Would you define the word "debate" for us? And (in your world) does legitimate debate include opposing viewpoints?:sarcasm:

[MsKandice01]

19. So basically what he's saying when he says...

"The progrum will not go forrrrd" is that the CIA will not continue to interrogate people unless they can change the law. So basically, the terr-rr-rists will be able to come get us unless we pass his bastardized version of the Geneva Conventions. Is that what I'm supposed to get from this?

[Avalux]

24. Yep. "my way or the highway"

It's blackmail, essentially.

[MsKandice01]

28. Okay...*whew*

Trying to decipher Bushspeak is hard werk. There's the words that come out of his mouth (which are nonsensical themselves) and then what he's REALLY saying, which often doesn't make any sense either.

[davidwparker]

37. he'll just have to learn to wage war like the rest of them -- within

the context of the Geneva conventions. We weren't "attacked" until he was selected by the SCOTUS to be a fraud of a president

[texanshatingbush]

29. YES, that is exactly what he is saying !

Like others, I was puzzled by the "this program will not go forward" statement made by The Chimp. Then Dana Bash's summary put it in context: she said he was putting the Congress on notice that if they did not pass the "clarifications" of the Geneva Convention demanded by Bush, the interrogations of possible terrorists would stop altogether, and the consequences (al Qaeda blowing up the US) would be on the heads of those who voted against his proposed "clarification" legislation.

[ShortnFiery]

33. Heaven forbid that they would have to close their Secret Prisons

that these alleged *terrorists* are spirited to around the world.

OMFG! Dear leader advocates torture by deeming all those who he considers "terrorists" as LESS THAN HUMAN, able to be spirited off in secret, without visits from the Red Cross, tortured and convicted on hearsay evidence that those who are accused will NOT have access to.

Dear Leader has lost all humanity ... Dear Leader has gone INSANE!

I hope and pray that McCain, Warner and Graham are successful. All is forgiven John McCain if you can stop this madman! :scared:

I've not ever been more proud of Our VA Senator, John Warner.

He is a morally centered man an an honorable military veteran. :patriot: :applause: :hi:

Believe it or not, I honestly believe that none of the three Republican Senators now opposing Bush would EVER condone torture or suggest to re-write Article Three of the Geneva Conventions.

Our Executive Branch is out of control! Please stop them esteemed Senators!

[MsKandice01]

36. Just a thought...

Wouldn't it be ALL TOO CONVENIENT if we get attacked again before November if this law doesn't pass? The Bushies would have the perfect excuse to blame Democrats.

I hate these fuckers.

[ShortnFiery]

42. No, I feel it - The American People are recognizing that Dear Leader

and his Hench-people in the Executive Branch are INDEED, bat shit crazy. :crazy:

Despite the inflated polls regarding a comeback. Dear Leader's approval ratings are actually remaining at Freezing 32%.

Even if we have another attack, the people will not look at THIS Executive Branch nor the Republican Controlled Congress kindly. Despite the rhetoric, a terrorist attack is too risky to have (wink wink) because NOW, you just don't know who it will favor. And the odds are that any more hijinx will favor Democratic Candidates.

Truth is, IMO they're sh*tting bricks because they KNOW that they will lose, and losing big means that Diebold tampering will not be able to swing the election their way.

May our Democratic Leaders continue to find their spines. :hi:

[young_at_heart]

30. He's saying...."I know best, so shut up"

HIs authoritarianism is getting worse lately.

[davidwparker]

31. thanks for the post. I had heard about it, but this was the first time

seeing. Now, I know what * meant when he said to Gregory "it took you along time to unravel and a long time to ask your question."

Good for David Gregory.

[walldude]

32. "I don't know what people in congress think"

"What I said is the most important point" Christ, he really does think he's King.

[The Gunslinger]

34. I haven't seen it But let me guess....

He becomes unglues and boarderline insane and says the terrorists are going to KILL you... like every other speech or interview in the last few weeks.

I dont recall any other president stooping to this level of fear mongering. It's just out of hand now.

[Supersedeas]

38. just wondering if McCain and Graham have seen this tirade

[otohara]

39. This Just In..... 330 % more instances of laughter since Snow became WH

Press Secretary....I shit you not! http://www.examiner.com/a-287267~Yeas_and_Nays__Friday__Sept__15.html

Must be the beautiful blue eyes ...

Covering the White House is not an easy beat. The hours are late, the travel can be brutal and the tug-of-war between the White House spin machine and journalists can wear down even the toughest reporter.

But White House spokesman Tony Snow, who has been on the job four months, might very well be out to change all of that and to put the “fun” back in “fundamentally, a frustrating job.”

Yeas & Nays reviewed the press briefing and press gaggle transcripts from Snow’s first four months on the job and compared them to those of Snow’s predecessor, Scott McClellan, during his first four months.

Under Snow, there were more than 330 percent more instances of laughter — as defined by the transcriber’s insertion of “(Laughter)” in the transcript — than under McClellan.

Have reporters fallen for the former Fox News commentator’s woo and charm? And — gasp! — could Snow actually be making the notoriously curmudgeonly task of covering the White House fun?

[proud patriot]

40. Thanks I had missed it

:hi:

[garthranzz]

43. Oh, I'd love to have my Rhetorical Analysis class tear this apart

But who would clean up all the vomit it induces? Notice the redundancy - the bottom line, the bottom line. clarify the law, program won't go forward, hope they adopt our standards. Aside from avoiding the question, either he thinks the press corps are idiots or that by repeating his mantra they'll all be singing the same tune. Remember The Pet Goat and the kids' classroom? Remember how your 1st grade teacher taught you? Repeat after me. The bottom line is. The bottom line is. In unison. Now Dave, I know you have a question/have to go to the bathroom, but right now we're repeating after me.

It's an important debate but I'm right so everything you say is hypothetical.

And just how ambiguous is ARticle III anyway?

He sells well - like soap. Or rat poison. RAID!

[soothsayer]

72. yeah--the geneva convention has been clear to every other world

leader since its inception. only dumbass is confused by article iii

[pacalo]

44. I wish David had asked him, "Are you saying that the U.S. is pulling out

of the Geneva Conventions to make our own rules; thereby, opening the door for other countries to make their own rules?

[Swamp Rat]

45. The 'Dictater' is emerging...

[POAS]

46. That's one of the most embarrassing

moments I've seen from Bush to date. He cannot focus, his gaze jumps around the gathered group, he repeats himself multiple times and then insults Gregory for taking too long to ask his question. And what was with that crack about David being "beautiful"?

[PA Democrat]

48. What I would like to have seen Gregory ask the Torturer-in-Chief:

"So, Mr. President, since you are saying that since you wish other countries would adopt the same standards that you want, with respect to interrogation of prisoners, that you would be OK with those other countries water-boarding, beating, etc. our soldiers?"

[indepat]

52. My rules are the only rules that count

[LibraLiz1973]

57. wait..... people REALLY believe that

this guy is ok to run the country?
He's a rude, immature, condescending prick

[Clarkie1]

58. What a rude self-absorbed jackass. nt

[texpatriot2004]

59. Yes, what "Program" is stupid referring to? nm

[opihimoimoi]

60. Bush wants Torture Legalized so the interrogators do not violate the LAW

Never mind what happens to our boys....

[texpatriot2004]

61. How "Christian" of him eh? How "moral." Who would Jesus

torture?

[onecent]

64. King George is a fucking idiot. I'm ashamed of him...he's a big

wart on mankind.

[Atman]

65. "You're looking beautiful today." WTF?

Jesus, Bush is whacko.

[CarlVK]

69. Notice he didn't say that to the guy after he questioned him

[Jack Rabbit]

66. !!

:bounce:

[Hissyspit]

67. Did someone say hissyfit?

[Truthiness Inspector]

68. Thanks for the link n/t

[soothsayer]

71. I felt the same way! He's mad that he might not be able to ask

some young 'professional' to break the law, er, to torture, er, to interrogate using torture techniques he's deemed legal

[tinfoilinfor2005]

73. ooof...someone needs a nap.

Someone didn't sleep it off enough the night before.