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Ioo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 11:51 AM
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Oh No!!! Air America To Declare Bankruptcy
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/13/air-america-bankrup... /

Air America Radio will announce a major restructuring on Friday, which is expected to include a bankruptcy filing, three independent sources have told ThinkProgress.

Air America could remain on the air under the deal, but significant personnel changes are already in the works. Sources say five Air America employees were laid off yesterday and were told there would be no severance without capital infusion or bankruptcy. Also, Air America has ended its relationship with host Jerry Springer.

The right wing is sure to seize on Air Americas financial woes as a sign that progressive talk radio is unpopular. In fact, Air America succeeded at creating something that didnt exist: the progressive talk radio format. That format is now established and strong and will continue with or without Air America. Indeed, many of the countrys most successful and widely-syndicated progressive talk hosts Ed Schultz and Stephanie Miller, for instance arent even associated with Air America.

Radio giant Clear Channel is so committed to progressive talk radio that, this week, it will announce a partnership with the Center for American Progress, Jones Radio, and MSS Inc., to conduct a nationwide search for the next Progressive Talk Radio Star.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 11:53 AM
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1. Please remember that a restructuring and bankruptcy does NOT mean that
Edited on Wed Sep-13-06 11:54 AM by NYCGirl
they go under. There are a number of airlines that have been running for years like that.

Edited to add: They started out undercapitalized, mainly because of conman Ethan Cohen's chicanery. It's hard to get out from under that. But I have confidence they'll get on their feet again.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 11:54 AM
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5. Oh come on ....
It's so fun to play Henny Penny!!!
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 11:55 AM
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10. True. There hasn't been a sufficient amount of hand wringing and breast
beating around here today.

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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 11:54 AM
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6. great point, NYC
:hi:

I mean, look at Delta.
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Parche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 12:02 PM
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27. bankruptcy
United,Continental,Delta, Northwest,America West, US Air, all went thru bankruptcy,
even Chrysler did at one time, so if the right wingers want to mention something
then we have some ammo to stop them.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 12:05 PM
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29. zbdent below pointed out that Ford is also doing it, and I've googled
that, finding that Cypress Gardens is also filing bankruptcy.

http://www.ajc.com/wednesday/content/epaper/editions/we...
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 12:18 PM
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41. TRUE. My family had a company that worked for 17 years
with 3 bankruptcies.
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 11:53 AM
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2. well, hell, at least they can. Most Americans can't.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 11:53 AM
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3. WTF happened?
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 11:54 AM
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8. they have always been in a financial mess
Paying Franken $1million/yr might be a place to start. Oh and how about advertising???? And how about not canning people like Malloy...
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 11:55 AM
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11. How about being conned by Ethan Cohen? NT
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 11:57 AM
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13. thats what I was thinking, but maybe he left them with a huge hole
Edited on Wed Sep-13-06 12:00 PM by LSK
That they never could recover from.

I have heard numerous times the company was always being run into the ground. Hell, even Randi Rhodes has bitched about management numerous times BEFORE the Malloy firing.

ps: It is Evan Cohen. ;)
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 11:58 AM
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They started out severely undercapitalized because of Cohen, and that
left them in that huge hole. BTW, Franken took absolutely no salary for a very long time, and even put much money into the company.
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 12:01 PM
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22. Evan Cohen
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 12:02 PM
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26. Thank you, brentspeak. Did you ever see "Left of the Dial", the
documentary about AAR? Cohen was such a creep.
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 12:07 PM
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33. I didn't see it, but I'm not surprised about Cohen
given his background as a former Republican aide.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 12:09 PM
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34. It's available on DVD. If you have a chance, it's a fascinating film:
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 12:29 PM
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47. I saw that and have the DVD
I really hope AAR can survive because the idea of it is so damn cool.
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MnFats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 03:46 PM
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91. thanks! Not the Coen bros. of "Fargo" fame, I hope n/t
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 11:57 AM
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14. Franken was/is one of the best things about AA
Edited on Wed Sep-13-06 11:58 AM by brentspeak
and he actually took a pay-cut from his original AA salary, just to help the station stay on its feet.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 11:59 AM
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18. well if that is true, good
But I know at one point he was getting $1million a year and other hosts were going into debt working for peanuts.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 12:38 PM
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51. Franken Sucks. nt
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 12:40 PM
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53. Reasoned discussion is so refreshing. NT
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 12:50 PM
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57. Just telling the truth! Unlike Franken. nt
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 12:52 PM
Response to Reply #57
59. I guess you're not listening to him now talking about electronic voting
with Avi Rubin.

But then you wouldn't be, would you?
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 01:39 PM
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69. Why would I listen to a DINO like Franken?
Edited on Wed Sep-13-06 01:43 PM by TheGoldenRule
So is he talking about Diebold and how the '04 election was stolen? Or did he even think the '04 election was stolen in the first place? And if not, does he skirt around the issue like all the other DINOS?

From what I remember, he used to blow off any suggestion of election fraud happening '04. So now he's come around. Whopee do. Rather late, isn't it? :eyes:
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 01:41 PM
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70. Because you might learn something. NT
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 01:48 PM
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72. I know plenty about election fraud. Maybe you need a few lessons.
Because I remember that Franken used to blow off any talk of election fraud. Why in the hell did he wait almost 2 years to talk about it and expose it?! Why? Because he probably wanted to "look good" instead of being painted as a CTer by Rush & O'Lielly. How pathetic and disgusting is that?! :puke:
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 01:49 PM
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74. He's talked about it before, but you wouldn't know because you weren't
Edited on Wed Sep-13-06 01:50 PM by NYCGirl
listening, were you?

And BTW, he was talking to the guest about Maryland's primary yesterday, in particular, and e-voting in general. But then you didn't hear it.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 01:58 PM
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77. If Franken had been speaking about the stolen election of '04
believe me, I would have known about it. That's where I spent most of my time when I first came to DU. It's WHY I came to DU. Why Franken's talking about it now, I have no idea and no interest in because I have no faith in him whatsoever. It's too little too late. Give me Randi and Mike because they BRAVELY speak the truth no matter what!

And spare me the innuendo that I'm not informed about any of it. The LAST person I'd want to inform me is Franken! What a joke!
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 02:02 PM
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80. Too bad you missed the segment with Avi Rubin it was great.
Avi Rubin, a professor of computer science at Johns Hopkins University. Hes also the author of Brave New Ballot: The Battle to Safeguard Democracy in the Age of Electronic Voting.
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gully Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 01:44 PM
Response to Reply #69
71. Yes every AAR host should agree with ME on EVERYTHING.
Better late than never. Franken has an open mind, unlike some here.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 01:52 PM
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75. Franken has an open mind?! Don't make me laugh!
:rofl:

He has done woefully little to expand his mind in the years he's been on AAR. Where was he when the '04 election was stolen?! Sitting on the fence, saying it couldn't have possibly happened despite the MOUNDS OF EVIDENCE along with the rest of the DINOS including Kerry! :puke:
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gully Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 01:54 PM
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76. He has changed his perspective has he not?
Edited on Wed Sep-13-06 01:54 PM by gully
Yes, he has an open mind.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 02:04 PM
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81. NO. An open mind would have been looking at the evidence in Nov '04
because there was a helluva lot of it! People who had open minds are the ones who looked into the reports and looked at the evidence from DAY ONE. Frankens motives at this VERY LATE DATE are questionable to say the least.

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gully Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 02:09 PM
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82. How much evidence was there at that time?
Evidence when votes disappear takes time to gather.

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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 02:16 PM
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84. John Conyers had plenty of evidence by early 05
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gully Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 04:11 PM
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94. I wrote the GAO imploring an investigation as per Mr. Conyers and our
nation.

However, Conyers evidence did not prove "stolen election" it proved voter suppression. Franken spoke quickly on the fraud issue, but he didn't say "they stole the election."
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Cassandra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 12:03 PM
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28. What is it about the advertising?
I'm not familiar with what kind of ads the right-wingers have on their shows but a lot of the ads on AAR seem very lame or from very small companies. Is this normal? Is there a boycott in place by larger advertisers (easily done through the Chamber of Commerce)? AAR has a very educated listener base. You'd think we'd be worth advertising to.
If you were referring to them advertising themselves, they do that very well in NYC. I've been seeing bus ads for the changeover to the new station for a week or two.
Franken is definitely overpaid at this point (he was more valuable at the beginning as a draw). I prefer Thom Hartmann in that time slot, anyway.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 12:30 PM
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48. not that kind of advertising, I mean advertising for AAR itself
Have you ever seen an AAR billboard?
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 12:32 PM
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49. Yep, they used to have them all over Times Square, in bus kiosks and
I saw one today on the side of a bus featuring Franken and Rhodes.
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kelliebrat Donating Member (162 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 11:54 AM
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9. I cant find anything else on it right now
grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
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LTR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 12:13 PM
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39. HuffPo and Raw Story are linking to the TP story now
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kelliebrat Donating Member (162 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 04:37 PM
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97. Thanks for the link
:)
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kelliebrat Donating Member (162 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 11:53 AM
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4. I just saw this too
:wtf: :wow: :wow: :grr: :wow: :grr: :grr: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf:

DAMMIT I hope to God this doesnt mean they are going off the air......
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 11:54 AM
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7. 3...2..1...
...before these whiny threads end up on conservative chat boards.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 11:58 AM
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17. No shit.
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Rosco T. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 11:56 AM
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12. This may well be the 'regime change' that Malloy alluded to... n/m
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KyndCulture Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 11:58 AM
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16. That's what I was thinking too.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 12:01 PM
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23. In a nut shell.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 11:58 AM
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15. let use just hope that Clearchannel is not helping to bail them out
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KyndCulture Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 11:59 AM
Response to Reply #15
19. No it sounds like Cheap Channel is going to pick up Jones Network
with the Ed Schultz show..

now he can be a real neocon like Rush.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 12:02 PM
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24. and Stephanie Miller can be Ann Coulter!!!
Yeah, that's gonna happen!
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 12:00 PM
Response to Reply #15
20. Clearchannel sucks ..... BUT
they've seen there is a future in progressive radio.

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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 12:00 PM
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21. It's mismanagement that is AAR's problem...
Not 'a progressive format'.

When I started listening way back when, I thought... Wow! I hope it's something different.

But, then they got a CEO and started making the traditional behind the scenes decisions about
talent and eventually bought into the whole 'corporate mentality' horsepucky.

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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 12:02 PM
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25. Isn't Ford "restructuring" too?
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rockyandmax Donating Member (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 12:06 PM
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30. Can we do a fund raiser? I'd certainly donate. n/t
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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 12:10 PM
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35. I was always for that too...
Direct support!

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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 02:20 PM
Response to Reply #30
85. Doesn't the stuff bought from their store go to the station?
Or the profits from those sales, rather?

http://hifidelity-airamericaradio.11345.com/catalog.php

There are also premium memberships available at their website... http://www.airamerica.com/
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 12:06 PM
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31. Clear Channel committed to progressive talk radio?
I'd say that's more of an indicator of how poorly right wing radio is doing than anythng else.

Air America has had to compete against the Clear Channel monopoly. I'm not so sure having Clear Channel take over as the voice for progressives is a good idea. Forgive me if I don't trust them. :eyes:
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RandiRhodesArchives Donating Member (116 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 12:32 PM
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50. I was just gonna say!
Cheap Channel? Committed to PROGRESSIVE TALK?! Oh yeah riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight!!!!!!!!! That's why they took Randi off WJNX (Ft. Pierce) and WINZ (Miami) back before AAR's inception as well as not doing SHIT to synidate her!!!!!!!!

Who are the 5 employees who got laid off?! Air staff?! Behind the scenes folks?
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LTR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 12:06 PM
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32. LBN thread
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 12:11 PM
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36. BTW, a bit off topic: How did those AAR Boycotts go?
The ones that many here were planning after Malloy got fired?
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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 12:14 PM
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40. I guess they done kilt it, dead.
*tsk*
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 12:59 PM
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65. Oy
Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face, some folks don't even know how to take care of what they have.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 03:44 PM
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89. It's going well
I haven't listened since Malloy was fired. :)


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Wiley50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 12:12 PM
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37. I hope one of the execs who got fired
Edited on Wed Sep-13-06 12:20 PM by Wiley50
was the shithead that canned Malloy.

If I won the Powerball today
the first thing I would do
is call up Shelley Drobney
and get him to help me arrange a buyout.

Then I would reorganize it
the way Herb Alpert did A&R records
I'd get Malloy Randi and Seder
and the other hosts I planned to keep
on the Board of Directors,
It takes radio people to manage radio.

And I'd change the name to "Free America Radio"
Fuck taking the name oif a CIA front airline.

And I'd stick TV cams in the studios
and do Free America TV
If You ain't on the public"s TV remote
you don't exist in 2006 America
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newspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 12:20 PM
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44. maybe they could call it "radio free amerika"
There are progressive companies like working assets, the body shop, mother jones magazine, eden foods etc... why can't they solicit the progressive companies for ads? The health food industry should be interested because there are many progressives into organics, health etc... Also, you could form a group called "friends of Malloy" or something like that, and have a group donate to their favorite talk radio host. I'd say AAR needs a thorough housecleaning and bring in business savvy progressives to manage it. We don't need no wolves in sheep clothing.
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Wiley50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 12:24 PM
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46. They hired a necktie from the Cosmetics industry to manage it!!
Did they think the needed to put lipstick on a pig?

Fuck! The pigs are the neckties in corporate.

The hosts are doing great!
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 12:13 PM
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38. Even if AA fails, I don't think it's indicative of anything at all.
I just don't think talk radio is a format suited well to liberals. Liberals like to talk and exchange ideas... they don't really enjoy being talked to for hours upon end.

At least I don't. I bought Sirius strictly for Air America (before they moved to XM) and found that I didn't enjoy it at all. I found it to be pretty boring, to be honest. Well, except for Stephanie Miller, who I still listen to on Sirius. She and her crew are friggin' hilarious, so you know, that kind of show is entertaining.

The rest of it is just preachy and boring and not very humorous. It's not my thing.

And don't ever forget, my fellow Democratic friends... we still rule the internets. That's our format, when you think about it.
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 12:38 PM
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52. I do agree it's an individual thing.
Before Air America, I listened a good portion of the day to WBAI (that's where I first heard about bin Laden's relatives being flown out of the country after 9/11 while all other flights were still grounded -- from the late, great Grandpa Al.)

I love listening to progressive/liberal radio because there's so much factual information. It's rare that I find out something through Franken/Maddow/Seder/Garofalo/Rhodes/Malloy etc. that is not based in cold fact. And I've had some of the biggest laughs off their shows....

Viva AAR. (Just get some suits in there that knows what they're doing.)

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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 12:18 PM
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42. Oh, this explains the other thread I read
Edited on Wed Sep-13-06 12:30 PM by Lone_Star_Dem
I just saw a thread about the "demise" of AAR and was floored.

This isn't down for the count, business file and recover from bankruptcy all the time.

My ISP is only one of many examples that used bankruptcy to get back on their feet.

Edit: Half of header was missing. Repaired.

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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 12:19 PM
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43. Springer out, Maddow to nights, Sedar to mid morning...
... Frankin and Rhodes stay put.. new morning show.

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Nimrod2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 12:55 PM
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61. Mark Riley was not in this morning and none of the others who work
Edited on Wed Sep-13-06 12:55 PM by Nimrod2005
with him were on, just one person filled in. Larry something?
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Nimrod2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 12:56 PM
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62. Who is on mornings?
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 12:57 PM
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64. The Young Turks will be on from 6-9AM. NT
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Puglover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 02:15 PM
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83. Glad to see Springer go.
Nice guy. Very nice guy but he could bore the paint off the wall.
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 12:23 PM
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45. I thought AAR had..
.. a large listening base, which would mean good ad revenue..

.. no?

What don't I know? We don't get AAR around here.

Sue
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 12:40 PM
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54. Sorry to see this happen...
though it's not unexpected. They need to get rid of overpaid DINO Franken and get more REAL progressives on the air. And firing Mke Malloy was the stupidest thing they could have done.
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WestHoustonDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 12:41 PM
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55. Hartmann discussing it now
He's optimistic about the outcome. And here's the good news - No more Jerry Springer on AAR!
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 01:59 PM
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78. He's OPTIMISTIC???
Good lord no!!

His gone over to the dark side.

He's supposed to be falling on the ground moaning about Air America being dead!!

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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 03:46 PM
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90. "No more Jerry Springer"
It's a start. Now if they would get rid of Franken, hire Stephanie Miller, and re-hire Mike Malloy...


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pstokely Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 04:30 PM
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95. I'd put Randi Rhodes against Oxyrush
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WestHoustonDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 05:07 PM
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99. I'm with you on all of those.
Still waiting for Randi to tell what she knows.
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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 12:41 PM
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56. AAR failed because of their corporate masters, not their message.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 03:48 PM
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93. Yep
Without Malloy in the line up, I am not interested in AAR.



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chapel hill dem Donating Member (212 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 12:51 PM
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58. I have been through two pre-packaged Chapter 11 bankruptcies, and it takes
about $250,000 to just get through the legal work for a company the size of AAR. Add the working capital and cost of rebuilding the company to follow a new business plan and you are talking a million very quickly. Nowadays, after the dotcom disasters, the Federal Bankruptcy Judges really look hard at the reorganization plan to see if it makes sense. Otherwise, they do not hesitate to take it to Chapter 7 and auction the assets.

It ain't pretty.
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 12:52 PM
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60. kick
:kick:
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Nimrod2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 12:57 PM
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63. NO big deal, my company just did that...we are out now, stronger and
better than ever....
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 12:59 PM
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66. There are several major companies that have done this too.
Edited on Wed Sep-13-06 01:00 PM by Lex
And are still in business today. Probably wouldn't have been if they didn't do the restructuring.

I haven't googled them up just yet, but I know Chrysler Corp. did this in the 1980's, iirc.

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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 01:03 PM
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67. Just about every airline is in bankruptcy.
I guess we'll have to see what their business plan is for restructuring. That will be the be what we need to determine if it is indeed for restructuring or if they are going down the tubes.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 01:03 PM
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68. I think this is "silver lining" type good news..
It will clean out the questionable board memebers and investors and refocus AAR with real progressives. Malloy might be coming back sooner than we think.

Randi has pull at AAR and we know how she feels about Mike.
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 02:24 PM
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86. how do you know which direction it's going?
it's just as likely that cleaning out the board could result in a shift away from progressive, and more fake "fair and balanced" viewpoints. we'll have to wait and see. i don't see how this can be good news in any way.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 05:17 PM
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100. Because both Mike and Randi have said this might be the case
AAR has good management and bad management and the good guys aren't happy.
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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 01:49 PM
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73. Bankruptcy doesn't mean the end. Just look at George W Bush
for inspiration.

:sarcasm:


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Ioo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 02:00 PM
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79. BINGO!
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dr.rock Donating Member (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 03:08 PM
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87. get a lineup and stick with it!
Edited on Wed Sep-13-06 03:09 PM by dr.rock
I think AAR stinks especially on the weekends when Clear Channel
(who own the affiliates) puts on the faux liberal hosts, basically
leftovers from KFI who didn't make it.

These guys straddle the fence on every issue, then hype it up and
say outrageous,absurd things to drive up ratings just like any basement
radio program. These guys aren't liberal voices at all, just your standard Clear Channel suck ups. Really poor, in fact.

AAR should take control of this and get their programming firmly placed
in the time slots so AAR had a real identity, not just who Clear Channel
wants to put on. (e.g. Ed Schultz)

Of course we know Clear Channel, who wants to have the constant,
perpetual fear newsbreak of Fox News breaking in every fifteen minutes
to support the Bush agenda. The local Clear Channel TV station KCal 9,
follows Bush's script to the letter so often its transparent.

terror, terror, terror, -fear, fear, fear,

But wait, there is a light on the horizon! Prez Georgie Pordgie will save us
transcending all laws, checks and balances in the process!

Clear Channel is not just RNC party line, but police state propaganda pure and simple. They aren't worth spit.
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RadiDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 03:37 PM
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88. Karma for firing Mike Malloy -nt-
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 03:47 PM
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92. No, firing Malloy IMO was a last ditch effort to attract advertisers. eom
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pstokely Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 04:33 PM
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96. can DU buy AAR?
Does anyone here have experience in radio?
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LaPera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 04:39 PM
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98. bankruptcy for corporations are usually a good business decision....
anyway,to give them a fresh start without creditors hounding their ass...

It use to help out the average Americans as well, until the republican sponsored bankruptcy bill that many fucking Dem's vote for last year!
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