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urbuddha Donating Member (266 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 11:42 AM
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How do we stop the GOP from stealing this election , too ?
The Democrats should have seen what was coming in this last election when Ohio's GOP governor started putting in the faulty voting machines.
The GOP still waltzed in and won the election down and dirty.
They are on a roll. Why should they stop stealing elections if it's
working and who or how can you stop them ?
:shrug:
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 11:45 AM
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1. We GOTV and WIN too BIG to Steal
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Seedersandleechers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 11:55 AM
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5. That is my only hope,
that we will win too big to steal.
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 12:03 PM
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6. We have to Tell the gloom and doomers STFU, Lead Follow or
GET OUT OF THE WAY.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 12:59 PM
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12. There is No Such Thing as "Winning Too Big to Steal"
Edited on Wed Sep-13-06 01:05 PM by AndyTiedye
Last year, initiatives to clean up Ohio's elections should have won by 2-1 margins.
They "lost" by 2-1 margins instead. That represents a shift of 30% of the entire vote.


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never_get_over_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 01:17 PM
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14. THANK YOU
I think we are really at risk thinking that a huge Dem turnout and vote will help us. These votes are getting flipped secretly inside the machines with NO TRAIL....the MSM doesn't question - hell most of the candidates don't question - exit polls are dismissed - hard to fight this

I think we need to run parallel elections in key races - parallel elections which will provide data to help show election fraud. Not sure how hard this is to do - but something has to be done to stop this crap

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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 03:31 PM
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16. OK what is your plan?
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 01:30 AM
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19. Support voteraction.org in their Legal Actions
Edited on Thu Sep-14-06 01:32 AM by AndyTiedye
TAKE THEM TO COURT

GOTV won't help us if they prevent the voters we get out from voting.
GOTV won't help us if the votes are cast on hacked machines that make Democratic votes vanish without a trace.

We need to do whatever we can to ensure that our votes are counted.
The only avenue open to us to do that is the legal system.

http://www.voteraction.org

Otherwise, they can just make up whatever results they want:
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AJ9000 Donating Member (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 02:14 AM
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23. The ONLY answer to this and our other problems
is to build our own news media infrastructure.

That is BTW how the far-right took over the country.

He who controls the media, controls the masses.

The average citizen knows little or nothing about this problem.
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liberaldemocrat7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 03:01 AM
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26. We need vote by mail with paper ballots counted by civil servants.
We also need civil servants registering voters and maintaining those registrations.


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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 03:04 PM
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34. That's the most practical idea so far
If we GOTV and have that vote on absentee ballots, then we will have a better chance of being successful. We should make absentee voting part of our GOTV drive.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 02:23 AM
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24. I keep saying that! I think it's just too scary for some to contemplate.
There is NO SUCH THING as "winning too big to steal"
as long as votes are imaginary!

They've PROVEN that they can steal any damn election they want,
and they will. What's gonna stop them- shame?
The fact that their excuses for the numbers don't make any damn sense?
Never stopped them before-EVER.
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Balbus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 11:47 AM
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2. Nothing you can do. So don't waste your time standing in line.
It's not going to matter.
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 03:15 PM
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37. The only way to beat them is to hack the machines on voting day using
the methods shown in the Princeton video.

Get it? If the results are SOOOO screwed up that it totally invalidates the elections, the democrats WIN.

Use the GOP treachery against them. It's the only way, to beat them at their own game.

Why else do you think Princeton posted the how-to online?
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Totallybushed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 11:49 AM
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3. How, indeed?
We know it happened. We couldn't prove it. At least, not where and when it mattered. We know it's coming. Will somebody have some proof this time?

It won't be the current crop of Dem "leaders". It's got to be the poeple.
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pagam Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 11:50 AM
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4. I have been thinking about this
1. Call the media if we see suspicious behavior
2. videotape the behaviors (you would have to use a very small camera)

I am not sure if either one would work or even if thye are doable. But I for one intend to do something.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 12:07 PM
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9. How could this possibly work, when votes can be flipped from seclussion
at private homes?
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 12:05 PM
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7. every single
citizen has got to vote...if that fails we wait for the revolution....when having something to live for means having something to die for.

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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 02:34 AM
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25. If They Too Lazy To Vote, Ya Think They're Gonna Grab A Gun?
Keep waiting for that "revolution"...it'll have to be scheduled sometime between Dancing with the Stars and the start of Football season...and by all mean, please make sure that revolution doesn't mess with my Jamaican vacation or the tickets I have for Pearl Jam next month. :sarcasm:

The bottom line has been that Repugnican are very good at getting their people out on election day and in numbers. It's not magic, it's not some Diebold trick, it's just plain a "good ground game" that has made the difference in tight races as the GOOP knows where these races are and puts their resources to make sure their candidate gets over the top.

I'm major concern Democrats are taking this election and voters for granted. They assume that since booosh is so unpopular that people are chomping at the bits to replace any and every repugnican. That's not the case...and the biggest let down I see is what happened in California 50 where the effort to try to snag Repugnican voters left the Democratic ones taken for granted and those people didn't bother to show up and vote. Sorry, it wasn't machines, it was a poor GOTV effort that cost that race and could be a major problem in November.

This is why its important that as many people here get involved with Election Day activities. Volunteer at your local campaign and be a poll watcher or help play taxi service. If we keep our people energized and make sure they get to the polls, good things will happen.

I'm tired of using Diebold as an excuse for any election lost. Yes, there are serious problems with electronic voting and the cure is to get as many Democrats elected on local levels so we have control of the machines. For those who think it's all a lost cause, what the hell is the use bitching about it then? You're so convinced the game is rigged, why bother playing?
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 12:06 PM
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8. the first rule . . . don't concede ANY races, no matter what the . . .
reported totals are . . . this is particularly important in Senate races, since they involve entire states and will be prime targets for the Ohio/Florida treatment . . .
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 12:08 PM
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10. agree on this point!
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Justice Is Comin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 12:12 PM
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11. The Pap law suit should be getting cranked up just about
the middle of October.

I'm sure he's going to be doing all he can. Gas up the briquets.
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warrens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 01:01 PM
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13. Win really big
Then WE own the machines and do the counting.
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urbuddha Donating Member (266 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 01:31 PM
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15. They will try to stay in power every way, & any way they can !
Our government is behind what happened in Mexico's recent election as well. Now they're getting ready to burn the ballots there. Does that smell or what ? :grr:
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 03:34 PM
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17. Turnout turnout turnout. UNstealable Margins of victory. n/t
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 03:37 PM
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18. And when they manipulate the numbers?..n/t
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 01:49 AM
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21. No, I don't think that the Democrats are too "far left" at all.
Edited on Thu Sep-14-06 01:53 AM by Bluebear
Most Americans want health care, good education, wars that are not based on lies. These are centrist values, not far left.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 01:53 AM
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22. we don't
i don't see one thing that has been done to stop the fraud
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urbuddha Donating Member (266 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 12:54 PM
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27. We should become active & march on Washinton !
Let the country and the world see how mad we really are !
We've just been sitting back and letting them
kick us in the nuts !
:mad:
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 12:59 PM
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28. I'm tired of being kicked in the nuts
and letting these RW'ers destroy our world.
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meldroc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 01:44 PM
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29. Put in NOW to take the day off on Wed. Nov. 8th
Edited on Thu Sep-14-06 01:49 PM by meldroc
so you can protest the election.

We're going to need enough people out on the streets demanding fair and clean election that the MSM can't ignore it.

We need to make those protests in Mexico City look like child's play.

Other than that, why don't we break into the storage areas where your localities store their Diebold machines, and smash them all one week before the election, to force the elections to be held using paper ballots...

(note to the mods, I only asked why don't we do it... ;) )
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 01:48 PM
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30. Step 1: Get out of the seige mentality
Step 2: Learn to recognize the demagogues and scoundrels in our own ranks, and stop wasting money by giving it to them.

Step 3: Help our Democratic candidates directly.

Step 4: Vote.
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meldroc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 01:57 PM
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31. WE ARE UNDER SIEGE!!!
The GOP's stealing our votes, stealing our civil liberties, then sending our kids to go die in wars started by lies. We are under siege, and this election is likely our last chance to turn the right-wing authoritarian dominators out of office before this entire country gets shackled with the chains of fascism.

It's our last non-violent way of changing the direction of this country.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 01:58 PM
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32. This attitude is exactly what I was referring to
:nuke:
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urbuddha Donating Member (266 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 02:59 PM
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33. I still believe a march on Washington is way over due !
We need to have one so large the world will have to take notice.
:wow:
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WA98296 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 03:06 PM
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35. If dems owned the POLLS, they could start saying that DEMS were gaining.
in the polls...

Just like the GOP does now. it's how they keep revolutions in check.
GOP probably has a real approval rating of 18%.
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skip fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 03:07 PM
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36. We need a message like "Don't fall for Rove's shell game."
While the White House and its minions (as on Fox News) push the War on Terror as a way of framing (i.e., "hiding") the Iraq issue for the election, we need people to bring it out of hiding.

Here's one basic approach (I'm sure there are many others):

"Republicans and the administration don't want to run on the mess they made in Iraq, so like a magician they try to distract our attention by covering it under the umbrella of 'A War on Terror,' thereby hiding their blunders from the conception to the execution of the war, from WMD's and Sadam-terrorist's links to the civil war which is now in full progress. It's a GIANT SHELL GAME dreamed up by Rove. We need solutions, not PR tricks or a magician's slight of hand."

Why can't we frame a message simply and compellingly in order to bounce these jokers. Almost all of the important facts are on our side, especially since the Republicians and the administration has been such an obvious failure by almost all standards?
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