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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 07:49 PM
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Military Wants to Use Microwave Weapons on American Crowds
Official Touts Nonlethal Weapons for Use
Military Wants to Use Microwave Weapons on American Crowds

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: September 12, 2006
Filed at 7:42 p.m. ET

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Nonlethal weapons such as high-power microwave devices should be used on American citizens in crowd-control situations before they are used on the battlefield, the Air Force secretary said Tuesday.

Domestic use would make it easier to avoid questions in the international community over any possible safety concerns, said Secretary Michael Wynne.

''If we're not willing to use it here against our fellow citizens, then we should not be willing to use it in a wartime situation,'' said Wynne. ''(Because) if I hit somebody with a nonlethal weapon and they claim that it injured them in a way that was not intended, I think that I would be vilified in the world press.''

The Air Force has funded research into nonlethal weapons, but he said the service isn't likely to spend more money on development until injury issues are reviewed by medical experts and resolved.

more at:
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/us/AP-Air-Force-Weapons...

According to New Scientist, the weapon causes "intolerable" pain within 5 seconds.
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=mg18725095.60...
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 07:52 PM
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1. Newsflash 2012, microwave weapons used on
unruly dissenters in 2006 have resulted in a 10,000 percent increase in brain tumors, fortunately those affected already "don't think right" thus there is little reason for concern, move along now, nothing to see here. I don't suppose the dumb bastards could use them on lab rats first to see WTF the outcome will be. America has some really sick f*ckers in positions they don't belong in.
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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 07:54 PM
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5. Well ,we were thinking along the same lines.
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Kutjara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 07:57 PM
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9. C'mon now. It's all very well torturing small animals...
Edited on Tue Sep-12-06 08:06 PM by Kutjara
...but, as any serial killer will tell you, the thrill you get from that wears off after awhile. Nope, for a real four hour hard-on, the serious psychopath needs to see living breathing human beings writhing on the ground in pain. fear and humiliation.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 07:58 PM
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10. Well if this device results in erections lasting more than four
hours, operators will have to contact their doctors asap.
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 08:00 PM
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14. Yikes. n/t
MKJ
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nicknameless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 08:29 PM
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34. At the huge DC march last year, elevated levels of bacteria (tularemia?)
were detected in the air.

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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 07:53 PM
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2. Oh Boy ,,Me 1st ,,me 1st..
why don't they test it on Rat control at the dump first. Or even congress.
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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 07:53 PM
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3. Are you FUCKING kidding me? Oh. My. God.
Edited on Tue Sep-12-06 07:54 PM by file83
I'm in the Twilight Zone.

That son-of-a-bitch just wants to "test" weapons on us citizens!? Let's lynch that motherfucker!!!!!

I honestly can't believe my eyes. Ummm....hello? 1984 is calling...
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 08:53 PM
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42. I say try it on Bush, Rummy, Cheney and
Condi first.
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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 09:14 PM
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45. I say we do a "failure analysis" test on them - push the weapon till it
breaks. :evilgrin:
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 09:15 PM
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46. I like that plan
:D
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 06:13 PM
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61. Only on bad Amurkans deary.... no need to fret over
this one. Wrong thinking brings its own rewards. </sarcasm>
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 07:54 PM
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4. Worried more about the world press than fellow Americans?
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 07:55 PM
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6. This is hitting the MSM, now? Well, much better late than never!
Thank you New York Times, this scared the daylights out of me when I read about here 5 or 6 months ago. MKJ
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WA98296 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 07:56 PM
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7. WHY is the military even discussing using weapons on U.S. citizens?
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 08:19 PM
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25. That was my thought too
I guess not enough people are dying with the use of tasers, so, they need to go for the gusto of mob deaths now.

I can't wait for these assholes to leave our government.
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 07:57 PM
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8. "If we're not willing to use it here against our fellow citizens, then we
should not be willing to use it in a wartime situation."

That is such a deeply confused and illogical thing to say, it makes my head hurt. :grr: :banghead:

Or maybe that's the rays.
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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 08:08 PM
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17. No shit - and people have a hard time believing 9/11 could be an inside
Edited on Tue Sep-12-06 08:08 PM by file83
job, with these kinds of demented mentalities?

These guys are sociopaths - what that man said makes abosolutely ZERO sense (from a rational perspective). But from the 3-ring circus loonie toon batshit crazy perspective, it makes perfect sense!
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 08:10 PM
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20. Like injecting blacks with syphillis, or whatever that horrible study was
in the 1950s.

As you probably know, I don't buy MIHOP, but I have no trouble agreeing that there are some blackhearted people about the place.
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 08:21 PM
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27. The Tuskeegee Syphlis Experiment
Conducted on poor Black Men (many of whom infected their wives and unborn children) by the U.S. Public Health Service for FORTY YEARS!!

An expeiriment on Black Men to see how Syphilis progressed in the body, until of course one died of untreated syphilis. They told they were being treated for "bad blood", but they were actually being allowed to slowly degenerate and die in the name of "science." One of the most shameful aspects of U.S. History.
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loves_dulcinea Donating Member (384 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 08:43 PM
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36. tuskeegee?
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 09:00 PM
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44. Learn about the Tuskegee experiment here,
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benfranklin1776 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 08:20 PM
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26. Yes it is such a wretched Orwellian twisting of the language
Justifying the harming of Americans in the "cause" of protecting international human rights. A not so clever excuse to microwave US citizens under the guise of a supposed concern for the opinions of the international press. From a maladministration that is so contemptuos of the opinions of anyone else in the world such a statement is so laughable as it goes beyond absurd into the land of pure insanity. In other words as long as this maladministration is frying the tissues of Americans to keep them in line then it will be ok to fry the tissues of everyone all across the globe wherever the neocons may be occupying. The Bush Maladministration's new PR Motto: "We promise not to abuse you with any weapon unless we have abused our own people with it first!"
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SlavesandBulldozers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 08:28 PM
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33. great post.
i was wondering very much about the Orwellian language in this article
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JAbuchan08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 08:23 PM
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30. just like radiation and assault weapons
or not...
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 08:25 PM
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32. Well, they happily tested radiation on soldiers.
So that's established that it kills people, very nastily. Of course, Marie Curie established that, but it's best to be absolutely certain. :sarcasm:
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 05:12 PM
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60. NAPALM! It's what's for dinner!
:puke:
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 07:58 PM
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11. I still like how my solidify-civilian- leadership-of-the-military journal
... was attacked for being "against the troops" or some dumbas shit...

And now the AMERICAN military wants to attack AMERICANS.

But hey - don't speak out - else you must hate the troops!

:rofl:
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 07:58 PM
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12. Scary. What do they say about nukes? Same logic applies?
:scared:
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driver8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 08:00 PM
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13. Soylent Green is People!!!!
Someone wake me up in January, 2009...
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4nic8em Donating Member (382 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 08:02 PM
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15. Note to Military...
Edited on Tue Sep-12-06 08:03 PM by 4nic8em
Please don't melt our brains...we already have to many neocons in country now.
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Postman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 08:05 PM
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16. I volunteer Michael Wynne to be the first one "tested".....
right between the ears.
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kurth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 08:09 PM
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18. Why doesn't Wynne try it on HIMSELF first?
Then his fellow citizens.
Then the enemy.
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 08:11 PM
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21. Excellent plan!
Surely he wouldn't use anything on his fellow citizens that he wouldn't be prepared to use on himself?

:yourock:
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Jcrowley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 08:09 PM
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19. Psycopaths
If you can just try to wrap your mind around this logic: ''If we're not willing to use it here against our fellow citizens, then we should not be willing to use it in a wartime situation,'' said Wynne. ''(Because) if I hit somebody with a nonlethal weapon and they claim that it injured them in a way that was not intended, I think that I would be vilified in the world press.'' This represents the thinking of more than a few of the Pentagon loonies.
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CollegeDUer Donating Member (452 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 08:12 PM
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22. I posted this on a more right-wing board and most have actually
said "Good, we need a way to stop rioters!" and the such.

I ask that they be the first volunteers for test trials.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 08:13 PM
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23. NEVER trust the air force. In any country. nt
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 08:19 PM
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24. Orville Reddenbacher could not be reached for comment.
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 08:53 PM
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41. Man,
that's corny.
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CarlVK Donating Member (632 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 08:22 PM
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28. Google Operation Northwoods
and you'll see this isn't the first time they've wanted to use us as target practice for some end. It's just that, this time, they don't even do it in the hushed tones of a secret staff meeting.

Assholes.
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Prisoner_Number_Six Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 08:22 PM
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29. Did we all just spontaneously cross over into the twilight zone?
That is just about the coldest, most bizarre stretch for a logical reason to hurt us that I've ever EVER come across.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 08:24 PM
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31. 30 second video...odd one.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArti...

I thought this was developed by Raytheon, but don't see them mentioned above.

Video does not show much really.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 08:38 PM
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35. Hmmm, did the pentagon just provide Saddam with a legal defense?
Unbelievable the things that these sick freaks will say out loud. I mean, most of us have gotten used to the thought that they would do something this horrible to us, but they talk about it as if it is okay or something. :wtf:


:argh:
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 08:45 PM
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37. Is this invention being funded from the missing 404 billion from DOD -
Edited on Tue Sep-12-06 08:57 PM by higher class
funds announced missing during the period a certain person was Comptroller - the person left his company that made remote controls for large aircraft to become the Comptroller- then left the DOD to go back to his company. Is this how missing money is used?

Reply if you know that Congress authorized funds for this specific 'tool'.
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 08:48 PM
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38. I was warning about this like 2 or three years ago
Edited on Tue Sep-12-06 08:52 PM by undergroundpanther
People called it conspiracy talk and blew me off.

Ever put Tin foil in a microwave?.. A big Hint ,it can DEFLECT that shit.Bring tin Foil to protests and fry the fuckers back other ideas too ....
http://www.gallawa.com/microtech/metal_arc.html
http://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/globalguerrillas/20...
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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 10:16 PM
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54. Better yet, I say we "test" a sledgehammer on this guy's balls to make
sure it doesn't hurt him.
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minnesota_liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 08:50 PM
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39. Only if they want would-be peaceful protesters packing weapons
George Orwell would be amazed.
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 08:51 PM
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40. Cops are already using them
Friend of mine was hit with a microwave at a war protest a couple of years ago. Or maybe it was ultrasound?

As scary as these weapons are, it's scarier that the military is expecting to face off with the citizens who supposedly command it!
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 08:54 PM
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43. If a protest grows, will the WH/Mil say that they consulted Congress and
Edited on Tue Sep-12-06 08:55 PM by higher class
received their approval?

If this came out 5/6 months ago, why are so many of us in announcement shock?

So what does Senator Warner have to say about his buddies?

We have creatures running this regime - nothing human there.
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 09:15 PM
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47. they're referred to as 'non-lethals', and that has, sadly, been the case..
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 09:19 PM
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48. So Michael Wynne is happy to make Americans his guinea pigs?
In what world is it all right to actively "test" this sort of thing on ANYONE without their prior knowledge and consent?

Jesus H. Christ, tell me again why we shouldn't call them Nazis.
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 09:32 PM
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50. It's true they are nazi
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Jcrowley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 09:30 PM
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49. Test weapons on testy U.S. mobs


Air Force chief: Test weapons on testy U.S. mobs

POSTED: 7:56 p.m. EDT, September 12, 2006

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Nonlethal weapons such as high-power microwave devices should be used on American citizens in crowd-control situations before being used on the battlefield, the Air Force secretary said Tuesday.

The object is basically public relations. Domestic use would make it easier to avoid questions from others about possible safety considerations, said Secretary Michael Wynne.

"If we're not willing to use it here against our fellow citizens, then we should not be willing to use it in a wartime situation," said Wynne. "(Because) if I hit somebody with a nonlethal weapon and they claim that it injured them in a way that was not intended, I think that I would be vilified in the world press."

The Air Force has paid for research into nonlethal weapons, but he said the service is unlikely to spend more money on development until injury problems are reviewed by medical experts and resolved.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/09/12/usaf.weapons.ap/index....
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 09:24 PM
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62. this headline was very telling----and scary.
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MoseyWalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 09:34 PM
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51. These people
are absolutely insane.

completely insane.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 09:44 PM
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52. French fried Americans, or Freedom fried Americans, you decide.
EEK! :cry:

I can hear it now:
"What were those protesters doing that the military had to use weapons on them?"
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 09:56 PM
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53. Isn't this why are country vilified Saddam. Didn't he use harmful
weapons on his own citizenry? These people have got to go.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 10:45 PM
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55. Bonus Army March of 1932
was put down by Gens. MacArthur, Eisenhower and Patton. USMC Gen Smedley D. Butler came out of this pretty good though. This was the American version of the Tienanmen Square massacre. Check it out. BTW, this is what got FDR elected president and fomented the coup d'etat effort by Prescott Bush and George Herbert Walker to oust FDR.

Smedley Butler blew the whistle on that overthow attempt.
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wickerwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 04:55 AM
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56. How does this not violate posse commitatus?
Since when is the military allowed to use any kind of weapons whatsoever on American citizens?
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 10:48 AM
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57. Better idea, Secretary Wynne...
pull your head out of your ass and put it in microwave; see if it works. Then report back. OkeyDokey moran.
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kurth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 11:52 AM
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58. Wynne was part of "the most significant case of contract abuse in decades"
Wynne was one of several people who were blamed by a Pentagon inspector general for a failed 23.5 billion dollar deal with Boeing, which many lawmakers call the most significant case of contract abuse in decades.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Michael_W._W...
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 05:03 PM
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59. The military has NO authority over US citizens.
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