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Fountain79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 10:08 AM
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Under Population vs. Over Population
STOCKHOLM, Sweden -- Mia Hulton is a true woman of the late 20th century. Soft-spoken, well-educated and thoughtful, she sings Renaissance music in a choral group, lives quietly with the man she loves and works like a demon seven days a week.

At 33, she is in full pursuit of an academic career. And despite the fact that she lives in Sweden -- which provides more support for women who want families than any other country -- Ms. Hulton doesn't see how she can possibly make room in her life for babies. Someday maybe, but certainly not soon.

"There are times when I think perhaps I will be missing something important if I don't have a child," she said slowly, trying to put her complicated desires into simple words. "But today women finally have so many chances to have the life they want. To travel and work and learn. It's exciting and demanding. I just find it hard to see where the children would fit in."



http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/gray.htm

OR THIS


http://www.overpopulation.org/


World population, currently 6.5 billion, is growing by another 76 million people per year. According to the UN the world will add another 2.6 billion people by 2050. Rapid population growth has placed incredible stress on Earth's resources. Global demand for water has tripled since the 1950s, but the supply of fresh drinking water has been declining because of over-pumping and contamination. Half a billion people live in water-stressed or water-scarce countries, and by 2025 that number will grow to three billion. In the last 50 years, cropland has been reduced by 13% and pasture by 4%

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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 10:10 AM
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1. Hoarding of wealth by the Ruling Class is what puts incredible stress
Edited on Sat Jan-21-06 10:12 AM by rman
on Earth's resources - and on the rest of earth's population.

And they want still more of it (wealth that is), and to that end there's only one way: reduction of global population.
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Fountain79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 10:14 AM
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2. If you read the first article...
That's what exactly in Europe
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 10:41 AM
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4. what are you saying?
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Fountain79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 11:03 AM
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7. A reduction in their population...
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 11:12 AM
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8. Doesn't have much to do with the point of my previous post
Which is that not overpopulation but exploitation by the ruling class is the cause of so-called overpopulation problems. And certainly that Swedish PhD does not belong to the ruling class (in case that's what you're trying to suggest).


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philosophie_en_rose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 10:19 AM
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3. Why not adopt a child from a "third world" country?
Just an idea. It would alleviate overpopulated areas in a very small way, disperse some of the resources from a wealthy, underpopulated area, and provide a loving family to both the child and the parents.

:shrug:
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Surya Gayatri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 10:41 AM
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5. But the kid wouldn't have
that "blond blue-eyed" custom-designed look so sought after by upwardly mobile couples. When your kid is a life-style statement you want him/her to reflect your social status. ;-) SG
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Poppyseedman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 11:02 AM
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6. I wonder what Paul Ehrlich has to say about population growth ?
Mia Hulton is a true woman of the late 20th century.

...and the last of a dying breed.
Simple truth: Nations need to reproduce or they will no longer be a nation. Sweden currently is at under 2.0 TFR {total fertility rate}

Water resources is truly a problem for world wide population growth instead of the fictional "Peak Oil" fear mongering nonsense. Hopefully technology will solve that problem.

Overpopulation is also a myth. Incredible stress on Earth's resources are caused primarily by incompetent government policies, not population problem
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wuushew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 11:15 AM
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9. Please explain why you do not believe in peak oil
the increase in global demand combined with the depletion rates of known oil supplies would seem to indicate a hard landing.
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Poppyseedman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 11:30 AM
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10. If you still believe that the dinosaurs and plant matter formed petroleum
millions of years ago, I can understand why you still think petroleum is a finite resource. Those theories are no longer valid.

They think Petroleum comes from sediment on the ocean bottom. We still have oceans and the planet is still producing petroleum. I do think the EASILY found resources have been discovered, but we were supposed to be in "Peak Oil" in the early 21 century. Never happened.

Do a little research instead of believing what "they" want you to think to keep you in a "state of fear"
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