Army says soldier "Disloyal" ! Has this been posted?

[NoSheep]

sorry if it has. This soldier is being called out for thought crimes!!!!

Under Fire! U.S. Army Intelligence Analyst Targeted For Suggesting New Independent 9/11 Investigation
Monday, August 21, 2006 - By Stephen Webster, Investigative Reporter

Army: Doubting Official 9/11 Story Is ‘Disloyal To The United States’


http://www.lonestaricon.com/absolutenm/anmviewer.asp?a=426&z=54

[whistle]

1. His accusers all give lip service to the chick-hawk leadership

http://www.nhgazette.com/news/chickenhawks/chickenhawk_headquarters/

[mcscajun]

2. People in the Armed Forces don't get much in the way of Free Speech

Soldiers have constraints on them that can't be laid on us (yet).

His mistake was using the Army's e-mail system; no matter who you are, you should keep your personal and business e-mails separate. The danger is always there.

[JimDandy]

6. But was it actually personal or business email?

See # 3 and 4 below.

[mcscajun]

9. Both e-mails originated from military addresses.

Whether charges are pending against the original sender of the e-mail that this soldier responded to doesn't change the situation. I don't defend either soldier, or even how the Army is behaving, I merely suggest it isn't all that unusual.

Never use your employer's e-mail system for personal mail, no matter the type. Keeps your affairs "regular" as Sir Thomas More once said.

When you are at your place of business, your expectation of privacy is gone. Everything in or on your desk is subject to your employer's perusal, except of course, the contents of your purse, wallet, and person. Expect that keystroke loggers are installed, expect that web surfing is monitored, expect that e-mails are subject to your employer's review, because increasingly, they are in all but the smaller companies.

[JimDandy]

15. Absolutely right.

Which is why it is very odd that Mr. Anderson, a munitions expert, sent that email at all.

Anderson no longer works at his previous position. When I called his phone number above, a new person from the Reserves answered the phone. The reservist stated that he arrived on 22 August and that Anderson had left the Friday before that. Hmmmm -- right about the time all of this started.

According to the reservist, Anderson is now at the U.S. Army's Office of General Counsel.

Let's see if he gets the same treatment as Buswell. I'm not holding my breath, though.

[mcscajun]

16. Hmmmm...smells like a set-up, doesn't it?

:grr:

[Sailor for Warner]

18. He does not merit the same treatment as buswell

Because he is not under the UCMJ. He is a civilian ne?

[JimDandy]

20. Yes

He's a civilian, but he surely must also have a security clearance given to him by the military and had access to sensitive military email addresses. Civilians working for the military, in that capacity, and utilizing the military computer networks to send such emails should be fired also.

---Unless, the military approved of this "operation?"

[JimDandy]

3. According to that logic, Mr. Larry Anderson JMC should also be discharged.

"JMC" is the U.S. Army Joint Munitions Command. If the JMC allowed it's personnel to send mass emails from their computers to other military personnel, then those were business emails that Sergeant First Class Donald Buswell responded to, not personal emails. In any case, SFC Buswell, may have had reason to believe that the unsolicited email was business related simply due to the use of JMC after the senders name and the fact that the email came to his business address -- an email address which was probably not in the public domain.

If the JMC did NOT sanction that email, then Mr. Larry Anderson, JMC, was sending a personal email, also, and should be fired.

But Mr. Anderson walks the GOP line. (He insinuates that those who ask "Where did all that mass GO" are "the paranoid loony liberal reasoning, 9-11 must have been a US gov’t conspiracy") How likely is it that they will go after one of their own?

[JimDandy]

4. Mr. Larry Anderson, JMC: Military business or personal email?

Who IS Mr. Larry Anderson, JMC?

A Larry Anderson was a group member of a JMC ARMS Team according to a report detailing a 13-14 March 2003 meeting of the Armament Retooling and Manufacturing Support (ARMS) Executive Advisory Committee (EAC) Public/Private Task Force (PPTF) Conference #25, held at the Sheraton World Resort Hotel in Orlando, FL

Also, a Mr. Larry Anderson is listed as a 'point of contact' in the "Handbook of ARMY PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERING" published by the United States Army Materiel Command (AMC), as of 21 Sep 2004:

Hdqs Army Materiel Command
Office of Command Counsel
9301 Chapek Road
Ft Belvoir, VA 22060-5527

Mr. Larry Anderson
COMM: [phone]
DSN: 656-8763


I'd say Mr. Larry Anderson was all business -- military munitions business that is. Almost undoubtedly the same Mr. Larry Anderson, JMC, that sent the email to SFC Buswell.

What was a munitions expert in Ft Belvoir, Virginia doing sending a mass unsolicited email to military personnel at Ft. Sam Huston, Texas?

[Sailor for Warner]

5. It is not that he sent a personal e-mail

It is that he sent a personal e-mail critisizing his superiors, and violating several clauses of his security clearance. Classic Article 88 situation. I would have charged him too.

[JimDandy]

11. Would you point out

exactly which statements in Buswell's email the military would have legal claim to call disloyal. I don't see one where he criticizes a specific superior. Also what specific clauses of his security clearance did he violate (I'll check out Article 88 in a bit.)

Statements of this type (not the particulars, though) were common when I was in the military. The U.S. would have had only a few thousand people left in the military, if they had discharged all those who spoke ill of the service, or their superiors, or a specific action/mission at one time or another. So where does it rise to the point of being a dischargeable offense?

[Sailor for Warner]

13. Well the tone was one issue

but direct statements..

"The answer is sad, but simple; The Military Industial Complex."
By definition the military industrial complex includes the Military leadership as well as civilian leaders.

"People, fellow citizens we’ve been had!"
By Whom have we been had? The Govt? I would imagine so.

[NoSheep]

23. What ever hapened to those yellow ribbons? Support the Troops?

"Support them until they start asking questions" should be the slogan on the next yellow ribbon. Yellow indeed! A Chicken Hawk ribbon.

[Solly Mack]

22. Article 88 only applies to commissioned officers

it doesn't apply to lower enlisted/non-coms/wo's

Lower/Enlisted/Non-coms and WO's are charged under directive DoD 1344.10 and Article 92

[ComerPerro]

7. by definition, he is disloyal to the Armed Forces by questioning

Bush.

[Sailor for Warner]

8. Correct

He has made a critical statement about a member of his chain of command.

[mcscajun]

10. And that's it in a nutshell. He showed poor judgment in responding

to unsolicited mass mailings, and in posting his personal opinions at his place of business.

[JimDandy]

12. He is an intelligence analyst.

It seems to me that anything about 9-11 would be within his professional purview.

It is strange that he responded to what he himself stated was an unsolicited email, though.

[JimDandy]

14. self-delete

[reprehensor]

17. UPDATE

http://www.lonestaricon.com/absolutenm/anmviewer.asp?a=448&z=56

[Sailor for Warner]

19. Sounds like a few more people need

to get a copy of the UCMJ.

[JimDandy]

21. Kick n/t