This needs to be DUed

[proud2BlibKansan]

This response was sent to The Peace House in Crawford after Karl Rove's fundraiser in Austin was interrupted by peace activists last Saturday. First of all, I was there and I didn't see any of the shoving and violent behavior mentioned. Secondly, I am dying to know why this person was there.

This wasn't a peaceful protest.

I have to say right now, that I have never voted for a Republican. I
am Pro-Choice, a member of PETA, I support gay marriage, and I agree
with Cindy's ideals. I admire people who stand up and say, This isn't
right, and I'm not going to stay silent.

But I didn't agree with these protesters--they were NOT peaceful. When
the dinner got underway, and the guests retired to the ballroom, the
protesters rushed the ballroom screaming and pushing each other. They
gathered in the restaurant area, where patrons of the hotel were trying
to eat dinner, and one elderly couple sat terrified, actually crying in
fear of the "peace" protesters.

The hotel banquet coordinator, when she was slammed against the wall by
the protesters trying to get to the ballroom, realized she needed more
help than anticipated. She called for every employee to step in until
the police arrived. This was right after "Peace Mom" Cindy Sheehan
arrived.

Inside the ballroom, it was scary to hear the shouts outside the doors,
and twice someone pushed their way in. The first time, a woman pushed
in, and was escorted kicking and screaming by two of the guests at the
event: a gay couple. Now how many people can say they were kicked out
of a Republican fundraiser by two gay men?

One woman actually snuck in and was sitting at a table, right next to
the Railroad Commissioner. Apparently no one took notice of her, or
assumed she was someone's mother and didn't want to offend her since
she was dressed in shorts and a t-shirt while all the other guests were
in suits. She reportedly spent the dinner typing in her Blackberry,
but
when Rove began speaking, she jumped up and started shouting, "Men and
women are dying" over and over. There were no police in the room at
that time, they were still busy outside the doors (which were being
held shut by hotel workers leaning on them) so she was taken out by
members of the association.

Outside the ballroom was chaos. One protester was arrested (though at
least a dozen were escorted out in restraints) and her statement to the
media today was that she just wanted to "find some peaceful resolution
and leave after we said what we came to say." Really? peaceful? then
why were you pushing and screaming? She also said, "The police made it
really clear to me that their objective was to get us out of the
reception so we wouldn't bother Karl Rove while he was speaking."
Seeing as most of the members of his audience were very elderly, some
in wheelchairs, who had traveled especially to hear Rove--most of them
because they had known him years ago, it's no wonder the shouting
outside the room was bothersome.

If there are families or elderly people as bystanders, and there is a
chance things might get out of hand (either from a protester, a
bystander, a cop, a nut who snuck in, or a member of the group you are
protesting), please do your part to keep things calm. If you are
protesting for peace, please, lead by example. Refuse to react in
rage. No matter how angry you are, remember, you are a symbol to the
world of your beliefs. I know it's a cliche, but walk the walk, don't
just talk the talk.

I am only expressing this because I want to be able to further support
the anti-war cause, and I can't support people who act the way I saw
and heard them acting last Saturday.

[rubberducky]

1. This "letter" sounds like it was written by Rove...........

very suspicious. I do not believe a aword of it. I find it incredible that anyone would pay anything to hear what that fat a** has to say.

[proud2BlibKansan]

4. Yes I want to know why this person was there

It's hard to believe anyone with the beliefs she claims actually spent money to have dinner with rove. That tells me she may be a hotel employee. And I too would probably be cranky if I had to work for the management at this hotel. They just wen't very nice people.

[EFerrari]

2. What a scripted POS. It sounds like those fake Democrats

that call into WJ.

You posted pic after pic. There's no way this happened without being recorded except in this piece of fiction.

Interesting that they'd go to this trouble.

[DoYouEverWonder]

3. It's easy to spot them

They always start off with the disclaimer that they never been a repug or have never voted for one and then they proceed to list all the repug talking points. Typical Rove playbook crap.

[EFerrari]

8. Exactly. Their formula. n/t

[proud2BlibKansan]

6. I have lots more pics now

A professional photographer was there with us (along with an AP reporter). They both rode down from Crawford to Austin with our caravan and they were with us the entire time. Funny there is no photographic or documented evidence of the insanity described in this piece.

Annie Nelson was there too. An inquisitive reporter could always interview her.




I wonder if this person complaining could hear the bullhorn we had outside?




Don't see any violence in this picture.




Oh look! The customers in the restaurant are being bothered by peace activists.




I think it was probably the Pink Police that set this person off and inspired this letter.
Here is who she should be angry with.

[annabanana]

5. hahahahaha yeah, sure.... . .I mean..

this really sounds like Cindy's group, right?

PUH - LEEZE!

[proud2BlibKansan]

7. I was there and the 'Cindy's group' I was with was not violent

Perhaps there was another 'Cindy's group' and that is who this lady is complaining about? :shrug:

[Cleita]

9. Everyone who was there and didn't witness this alleged

behavior needs to write a disclaimer to the Crawford House, with pictures if possible. If you don't expose the lies as soon as possible, they win.

[EFerrari]

10. I'd ask for one single photograph of this fakery. Make THEM

do the work. They can't; it didn't happen.

Out them. Out them. Out them.

Don't go defensive. Go get THEM.

[Cleita]

11. Yes, I would demand proof of their statement too, however,

the truthful side also needs to go on the record.

[Mabus]

19. All those rich Rethugs and not a camera phone among them

Who'd thought? Hmmmm. Doesn't seem right to me.

So, not a single rich Rethuglican had a camera phone or a phone with video capabiliy that captured this event. More than that, apparently, not a fucking one of them had a camera. Not a digital one nor an old-fashioned film camera. I guess they didn't want to take pictures of themselves with Rove? Or were cameras and cellphones not allowed at this event?

Just doesn't seem to pass the smell test.

[iamthebandfanman]

12. people who act that way are...

probably not real protesters!

we now know for a fact that police agencys plant officers in the crowds in plain clothes ... so , anyone could do the same.
they want us to look like anarchist fools.
my suggestion is, to anyone at a protest when this occurs, help get these people outa the crowd.

more than likely it was started by a plant. *shrugs*

[Democrat 4 Ever]

14. I don't believe a word of this "email" on how terrible Cindy and crew

treated KKKarl. But even if it happened exactly like the email poster said, so what? Really, no bombs went off, no one was hurt, no one came home with PTSD, all arms and legs intact, they didn't leave with someone else's blood all over their bodies from trying to save their neighbor's child. All that happened was a few rich, fat cats had to face the idea that KKKarl and the likes of them are not going to be able to quietly pretend that things are hunky dory. Things aren't fine, people are dying while these people play politics. The people that would pay to hear KKKarl talk hide behind their closed door meetings, cower under the guise of fear speech to control people, and they ignore that Chucklenuts has flown past nuts to full blown crazy. They don't care that the Constitution is being trashed for corporate whores and Christian Taliban crazies. They hide - and we have to come to them to let them hear an opposing view.

I'm just sorry that it didn't completely disrupt their dinner, turn over tables, throw food, spoil their appetites and all had to go home without listening to more of Rove's lies. I don't want anyone hurt but they need to know that people are PISSED OFF. Now - that would be a truly peaceful event.

[mikelewis]

13. The Black Panther Coloring Book -

Without knowing anything about truth behind this story, I'd just like to offer that our domestic intelligence services have concocted stories in the past to discredit "enemies of the state." Copies of this Phony Black Panther Coloring Book went out to thousands of mostly white homes in an effort to paint the Black Panthers as murderous anarchists.







http://www.quantumlounge.com/data/THEBPCB.HTM

Google Cointelpro Black Panthers for more information.

[Mr_Spock]

17. We had Black Panthers living two houses down

We never would have known they lived there if it weren't for the government & their paranoid slander schemes.

[EFerrari]

30. Given what they put the Panthers through, this is one of the more

benign projects.

Sheesh.

Maybe Cindy should preempt them and publish her own "coloring book". :evilgrin:

[mikelewis]

34. Well, the Panthers were easier to attack...

They were openly militant and stressed self-defense against government oppression. It's easier to push their rhetoric to the extreme and create a bogus coloring book for the Panthers than it would be for Cindy. Cindy's going to be a very tough nut for them to crack. She has the face of an angel and a kindness that clearly translates through their attack pieces. This piece is a trivial attack and unless it starts getting ugly, it's probably better left ignored (but noted).

[Mr_Spock]

15. (rolls eyes)

This is horse pucky...

[K8-EEE]

16. Is There A Name/Contact For This Person?

Sounds made up to me....video or pix of the alleged "violence" perhaps?

[proud2BlibKansan]

26. There is a name on the email

but I chose not to include that in this posting.

[Mabus]

18. This type of stuff wasn't reported by the MSM

and you know they would have jumped on this sort of thing, if it had happened. I seem to recall the USA Today was there the whole time and yet not a peep out of them. I also recall seeing links to television stations in Texas on the night of the event that covered it and there was nary a word about this type of chaos.

And, if someone is able to sneak in, what kind of security did this hotel have? I would assume that they checked names off a list to let people in the event or that people had to show a ticket of some sort? I'd also assume they'd have some sort of seating chart/table assingments instead of a "sit where you like" type of set-up. I've been to a few high dollar fundraisers in my time and if it is a dinner they have always assigned us to a table depending on how much we donated. If we donated more, we sat closer to the speaker. If we donated on the low end, we sat in the back. At these types of functions they don't have a lot of "party crashers" who manage to stay for very long.

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[KingFlorez]

21. Laura Bush is that you?

[bvar22]

22. The Aristocracy hiding in the "Ballrooms"

are getting nervous!

[lgn19087]

23. Wasn't there a thread recently on here

with pictures from Cindy's protest at one of Rove's functions...I'm not sure if it was the same one, but I remember that it did look as if they had forced their way in and in the ensuing scuffle Cindy's...I think sister was knocked over. I can't find the thread but I'm sure I saw it.

[DesertRat]

24. Yes, there were pictures of a scuffle and of women screaming

Here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=2789265

[lgn19087]

25. Is it the same one?

Because, in fairness, there does seem to be some sort of disturbance there.

[proud2BlibKansan]

27. Yes and it was the cops who did the shoving

I was there. Our group was NOT violent.

[lgn19087]

31. I'll have to take your word for it

All I know is that those pictures don't indicate a very peaceful event, regardless of whoever was doign the shoving.

[proud2BlibKansan]

38. Yes please do take my word for it

since I was there. I saw what happened. Cops did the shoving.

[Autonomy]

28. I'm convinced

Those protesters are bad people. I now support the war because of this unbiased account.

[EFerrari]

29. LOL!

:thumbsup:

[Skip Intro]

32. How does this person know what went on inside the room?

Doesn't the writer of this "incident" imply that everyone not there to see rove was escorted out? Am I missing something?

[proud2BlibKansan]

33. I think she worked at the hotel

[EFerrari]

35. Can you say why? This looks like a plant to me, not the thoughts

of an actual person?

[proud2BlibKansan]

36. Yes it could also be a plant

The reason I said it was an employee - I was thinking that other than the repukes, the only one there who could have seen all of this would be an employee - someone who was in both the lobby and the banquet room. Also, none of the pukes could have seen what went on by the door to the banquet room (that is where the excitement was). By the time that started, all the pukes were on the other side of that door.

[EFerrari]

37. I could have written this about any hotel event anywhere.

The language is round and smooth, not like a real account, it has no edges the way a real experience would have when you write it down.

This isn't real. It was written by a professional propagandist and most likely attached to the name of someone at the hotel -- an employee as you suggest.

It's cr@p and obvious cr@p.