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The Witch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 11:31 AM
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Next time a Senator says "Civil liberties are no good if you're dead,"
Edited on Sun Aug-27-06 12:06 PM by The Witch
EDIT: Because there's a point to using this instead of the Patrick Henry argument.

(I just had this thought randomly this morning and wondered if it was a stray idiocy or something good.)

Next time a Senator says "Civil liberties are no good if you're dead,"

we should not use the Patrick Henry argument - it doesn't hold water with GOP-types, we all know they value their life more than their liberties or they wouldn't be such chickenhawks. Instead, let's compare it to something they REALLY value:

"Neither's your Senate seat, but you're sure doing your damndest to keep THAT safe!"

:evilgrin:
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 11:32 AM
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1. Living without liberties is living in hell
and death would be preferable.

But your answer's good, too.
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The Witch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 12:10 PM
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14. Just trying to compare it to something they DO find important.
Their own damned power.
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 11:34 AM
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2. Civil liberties are how free people keep from being killed
by their own governments. Without them WE HAVE NOTHING.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 11:35 AM
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3. No someone should say:
"Your life is no good if your liberties are dead."
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 11:41 AM
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6. our state motto:'Live free or die"-
Edited on Sun Aug-27-06 11:58 AM by Bluerthanblue
... editing to give the full quote from John Stark- Live free or die: Death is not the worst of evils.

as well as "Give me liberty or give me death"- P. Henry

Not a 'new' notion.

Willing to die while excercising our freedoms. Which is different than killing others because 'we fear' them, and saying our freedom relies on not allowing people who frighten us live on this planet too-

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The Witch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 12:11 PM
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15. But GOPers don't get that.
Thus - take it to something they DO find important enough to protect - their power.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 11:38 AM
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4. Right, can you provide a list of senators who have said this?
...Their names and quotes need to be circulated broadly and quickly
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The Witch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 12:09 PM
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12. Pat Roberts comes to mind.
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Ishoutandscream2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 11:39 AM
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5. Or...
Edited on Sun Aug-27-06 11:40 AM by Ishoutandscream2
"With remarks like that, I'm sure our founding fathers are rolling over in their graves."

And another one, "Does 'Give me liberty or give me death' ring a bell?"
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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 11:42 AM
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8. Then there's New Hampshire's license plate motto
"Live free or die."
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 11:42 AM
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7. I'll take civil liberties over death. Um, thank you.
Edited on Sun Aug-27-06 11:44 AM by bluestateguy
I suppose we could live in a pretty safe country if we just gave police, the military and the government unlimited powers, but then we'd have to live in a totalitarian state.

Death is preferable to that.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 11:47 AM
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9. I thought Patrick Henry had the last word on that issue....
Edited on Sun Aug-27-06 11:48 AM by mike_c

"I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!"



The whole speech is well worth reading if anyone needs reminding: http://www.law.ou.edu/ushistory/henry.shtml
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Ishoutandscream2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 11:50 AM
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10. You'd think, wouldn't you?
Time to bring out the civics books and colonial American history texts. It's time for "Freeper 101."
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The Witch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 12:10 PM
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13. Re-review the OP, I edited--
there's a reason I went the route I did instead of the Patrick Henry route.
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Ishoutandscream2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 12:45 PM
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16. Yes, I did read that, and I understand
There's a selfishness and lack of understanding with someone in government saying this. While I do get your overall point, there is a great many Americans who need to "go back to school," so to speak. Including some of our folks serving in government.
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 12:06 PM
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11. Dead people no longer need civil liberties.
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