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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 05:11 PM
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Shadow's taxicab reports: Three soldiers, two stories
Edited on Sat Aug-26-06 05:12 PM by shadowknows69
Cleaning up the hornet nest that someone else kicked

Had two soldiers in my cab a week or two ago right before the recent deployment, young men who couldn’t be more than twenty on their way to their first combat tour in Iraq. These two seemed to have a very good grasp on the dangers they might soon be facing. They told me they we’re being deployed to the same area that the soldiers who raped and killed the fourteen year old girl committed their vile and evil act. These guys definitely knew that they were in for rougher times than most of their peers due to the fact that the entire area, not surprisingly, now viewed the US as “the enemy”. Hearts and minds would not be won in this area. The “sins of the father”, or earlier warriors in this case, would be visited upon the next ones with all the vengeance they could muster.

Obviously the two soldiers expressed their fear of this and their disgust with the actions of these few murderous thugs our army was stupid enough to recruit. Sadly I also got a sense of them being ready to meet any savagery leveled against them with equal and greater savagery. I got no sense that they were anything less than truly honorable soldiers and would behave as such but it did make me wonder if once the awful Genie of vendetta is out of the bottle can it ever be contained again or will the savagery simply escalate for both sides.



A mother’s love….for combat.

I had one of my rare opportunities to speak with a female soldier’s view on the war on terror. It’s not rare that I have female GI’s in my cab only that I am more hesitant to initiate conversation with them and they tend to volunteer less.

This woman, I learned, was a solider as was her husband who was currently deployed in Afghanistan. She had a very strong belief in the mission there perhaps more so because her hubby was there and was not a fan of the media coverage of the war or people who were against it.

Contrary to my usual “acting” performances where I take the same views as my unwitting interviewee so they’re more comfortable with me, I’ve been presenting the anti-war stance occasionally as tactfully as I can without pissing off a paying customer. She said she thought a lot of the people who were anti-war were also very anti-soldier and she referenced the massacre in Hadditha repeating the old mantra of “but no one reports on the good stuff we do there.”, I tried to assure her that the movement was definitely “hate the war, support the warrior” in its philosophy for the most part and we merely didn’t want anyone to die for the folly of politicians. She said we don’t see how people in other countries live and we really took our freedoms for granted here and that people like her were the ones defending them. Sound familiar?

In this woman’s defense I didn’t really get a sense on how she felt about Iraq and so I’m basing my reporting of her views solely on Afghanistan. I personally am still just slightly on the fence about Afghanistan. If, and this is becoming a pretty big if, the people responsible for 9/11 were trained and funded by the Taliban then they probably did need “vanquishing” and Afghanistan “liberated” from them, although 4 years later that was obviously another “mission unaccomplished” by our sad excuse for a leader. That being said I can understand a person clinging to the hope that we started out doing something good there more than I can fathom anyone thinking Iraq was a “good thing.”

Now I know some of you would be disappointed if there wasn’t a truly heartbreaking element to some of these stories so here it is. She told me that when her husband came back or soon before, I wasn’t clear on that, that she either had the option to deploy to a war zone or not, at least for a while she could choose to stay home. The reason was, she had a nine month old baby and the army was going to give the family a pass at least until the child was a certain age I think. She was torn on whether to go or not. She stated quite matter of factly that she was trained as a soldier and she wanted to see combat. She said she was about 50/50 on the idea. She asked my opinion and of course I told her I thought her family, the world, our country etc etc. would be better served by her being a mother to her child for a while. I added, somewhat sarcastically but not really, that I doubted they would run out of wars anytime soon for her to go to.

Needless to say my depression meter went into the red this evening. How could a woman even have a doubt about whether she should stay to raise her child before the army inevitably rips her away from it someday as they already did its father when the child was only 3 months? Is our military training that good? The need to exercise lethal skills taught to you that overpowering? I thought the old adage was that one trained to fight so that one would never have to, that we prepared for war to ensure peace, not to desire war. I admit this was the first female soldier that I truly got that gung-ho sense from and it was indeed a bit unnerving. More unnerving was that the decision seemed to be less based on her child as her husband. He hadn’t even lived yet where she was deployed so she was concerned about him coming to live in a new and strange house and her leaving him with the baby. I can only hope the maternal, not the killer instinct wins out in this young woman’s soul. Always tip your cabbie.
Shadow out.
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Canadian Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 05:16 PM
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1. Excellent read, as always
and might I suggest you start a DU journal? It would be great to be able to go back and read your reports!
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 05:30 PM
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7. Got one and they're all there
n\t
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Canadian Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 07:56 PM
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21. Thanks!
I didn't see that before... doh!
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Sherman A1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 05:17 PM
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2. Interesting
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 05:17 PM
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3. Your tales from the road are fascinating.
There are as many facets to the experience as there are people, and you give us a window into views we might not otherwise see.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 05:19 PM
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4. WRT your female passenger, I suspect she feels a strong need to
punch her ticket, NOW.

You know as soon as this shit ends, if it ever does, that there is going to be a drawdown of PROFOUND proportions. They'll be tossing people out for being too fat, too dumb, too slow on their runs, all of the usual "force shapers."

And punching that Eye-Rack or the Stan ticket might give one a leg up, all other things being equal...
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lyonn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 05:23 PM
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5. Interesting, thanks
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 05:28 PM
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6. The femal soldier's story was interesting.
Thanks as always, Shadow.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 05:39 PM
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8. Thank you for the report. In answer to your question, yes, our training
is that good. It is the culmination of over two thousand years of continuous practice and refining of the most efficient ways to rapidly break down and reshape the human psyche. It is the single most effective brainwashing process known to mankind.

You just saw one result if its application.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 05:44 PM
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9. Well then someone needs to come up with a way
Edited on Sat Aug-26-06 05:45 PM by shadowknows69
of brainwashing people into being raging pacifists.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 06:19 PM
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11. Agreed.
So many of our deficiencies as a society are the result of this national/cultural/societal manipulation, but those that benefit from it hold most, or all, of the cards.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 07:04 PM
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15. A woman who would rather
go shoot someone else's children than raise her own is the poster girl for how deathly ill American society vis-a-vis its military has become.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 07:13 PM
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16. Men too. It is utterly insane if one stops to think about it. n/t
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 07:22 PM
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18. Insane
is the correct word.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 05:46 PM
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10. She is really brainwashed and it seems as though...
she wants to leave her child an orphan. Some of this brainwashing is evident in the bushites. Last year someone pointed out this school or workshops that they have that teach them their talking points. If they they really believed it they wouldn't have to be taught what to think.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 06:31 PM
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12. She sounds like a freeper to me....and not such a good mom. nt
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 06:33 PM
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13. I wouldn't dream of judging her normal parenting skills
Edited on Sat Aug-26-06 06:34 PM by shadowknows69
or do I even know her politics. She's a hardcore soldier and misguided in my opinion but I won't label.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 06:47 PM
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14. Well, I'm a mom and I couldn't imagine NOT choosing my kid first.
:shrug:

p.s. I enjoy your taxicab stories, keep 'em coming! :hi:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 08:03 PM
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22. Sad witch. Maybe her kid is better off without her. I can't imagine
being offered the gift of staying home with my child and having to weigh it first.

:wow:
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Canadian Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 08:12 PM
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23. Maybe I am taking this comment the wrong way
but, why is she a WITCH for wanting to do her job, whereas her husband (also a soldier) is not... I am reading a great deal of sexism in your post. I am, by no means, defending the war in Iraq. I'm just wondering why she was given the choice to stay home with their baby, but her husband wasn't? And you are calling her a witch? Maybe if they BOTH had the choice to stay home, he might have, and she could have gone to the front? Why is the woman the only one who has to make this so very important life choice?
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 08:26 PM
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24. Where's the DJ???
Cue up: EWF "THAT'S THE WAY OF THE WORLD..."
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 08:29 PM
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25. Sexism? Not to my knowledge. And, I was responding to her
not to them as shadow only reported the exchange with her.

I largely agree with you. My husband never had to decide whether he should take a job or stay with a baby. I did twice. It's horrendous.
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Jazzgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 07:14 PM
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17. I've been looking for an update from you shadow.
Thanks and that was really a sad story about the femal soldier. It is sad that she actually was torn between her child and war??!!?? I'm baffled.....
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 07:31 PM
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19. The Shadow Knows!
I love your reports, thanks so much...
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Jeanette in FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 07:41 PM
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20. Your journal and stories need to be a book
We all need to be reminded of what is going through these young peoples mind.

I always looks for your posts, even though I might not respond, they stay with me for days on end.

I have an old book from the '70's "Dear America, Letters home from Vietnam" that I take from the shelf days to re-read to remind me of what my generation had to deal with. Your stories remind so much of that book.

My husband's uncle came back from Vietnam when we were dating in the '70's. He had home movies that he had taken back during the days of his experience in the war. He had a little chest of "souvenirs". I remember one day puking in his house after watching his movie. He said "Do I make you sick, Jeanette, Do I scare you". He had me cornered in the bathroom. I was petrified.

One day he disappeared. No one has ever heard from him since.
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