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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 10:36 AM
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in the last 100 years, what wars has Iran started???
:shrug:
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 10:42 AM
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1. I still hold a grudge over the Hostage crisis.
Call me old fashioned, but Iran will never get no sympathy from me, at least not in this lifetime.
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 10:45 AM
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2. who did they capture? were they spies? i'm foggy on the facts
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 10:47 AM
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5. You don't remember the late 70's?
http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9403631

Also there dealings with Reagan handed him the White house.
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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 10:48 AM
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6. From the wikipedia...
Edited on Tue Aug-22-06 10:51 AM by Xenotime
The Iran hostage crisis was a 444-day period (about 14 months), during which student proxies of the new Iranian regime held hostage 66 diplomats and citizens of the United States inside the U.S. embassy in Tehran. The standoff lasted from November 4, 1979 until January 20, 1981. During the crisis, some hostages were released, but 52 were held until the end. The United States launched a rescue operation, Operation Eagle Claw, which failed and caused the deaths of eight servicemen. Historians consider the crisis to have been a primary reason for United States President Jimmy Carter's loss in his re-election bid for the presidency in 1980. The crisis also punctuated the first Islamic revolution of modern times.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_hostage_crisis

EDIT: After reading this again what freep wrote that? That sounds very opinionated.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 10:49 AM
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8. heres a good read
http://www.encyclopedia.com/html/section/iran_history.a...

Note that the hostages were release on the exact day Reagan took office. Coincidence???
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jerry611 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 10:56 AM
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15. Diplomats and invaded the US embassy
They held 66 US diplomats and invaded the US embassy. That alone right there is an act of war according to international law. Diplomats cannot be taken prisoner.
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 12:51 PM
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52. I say we go in there right now and waste everyone of those sand fleas!
KILL THEM ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke:
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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 10:46 AM
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3. Nobody ever talks about that anymore.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 10:47 AM
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4. If the truth was known our special ops were prolly behind that too
the present misadministration were wanting and needing to get back in power at all cost and with raygun in they came. :shrug: imo
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LordLovesAWorkingMan Donating Member (272 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 11:21 AM
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40. So which is it?
Is it the truth that our spec ops were involved, or were the probably involved?

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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 11:27 AM
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43. I guess you will have to be the judge of that
with their track record I would believe it to be true, and it works for me
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LordLovesAWorkingMan Donating Member (272 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 11:43 AM
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47. I'd love to hear your perspective on it n/t
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 10:49 AM
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7. You can't blame the people for the government's actions.
Holding a grudge for something that happened years and years ago - wise? That said, this current government isn't exactly warm and friendly, but we still need to talk to them directly. It's just way too convenient to make them the boogeyman and refuse dialogue.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 10:49 AM
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9. It's those same people running the Government now.
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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 10:58 AM
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19. True... Many of the people who were held hostage..
think Mahmoud Ahmadinejad he participated heavily in the 1979-1981 Iran Hostage Crisis.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/06/30/iran.presiden...

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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 11:03 AM
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25. thanks, I am now convinced that he was not there:
"The White House said Thursday it is taking seriously the allegations by former hostages that Iran's hardline president-elect, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, was one of their captors at the U.S. Embassy in Tehran a quarter century ago."

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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 11:44 AM
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48. Not the same guy
Different brow line, different cheek bones, different eye set, different hairline, different mouth.
Americans are so easy.
"They all look alike, don't they"? :eyes:
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 10:59 AM
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21. Yeah
kinda like Nixon's circle 30 years later running our government. So the rest of the world should hold a grudge against us, America, because of it? I know a few Iranians who aren't evil extremists.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 11:00 AM
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22. Nixons still not running our Government.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 11:03 AM
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24. Cheney and Rummy are - with others.
Edited on Tue Aug-22-06 11:05 AM by sparosnare
Ahmadinejad was not Iran's leader then. You are missing my point anyway.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 11:05 AM
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27. No he wasn't the leader then, he was one of the terrorist
He's the leader now. You are missing the point.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 11:08 AM
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29. No one has proven he was a terrorist then.
I'm not defending the guy, but it's only speculation - no proof. My point, which you didn't address before we went down this road of semantics, is that "holding a grudge against Iran" sounds like the stereotyping of an entire people and I find that offensive. I wouldn't want anyone to say that about Americans just because we have a bunch of extremist idiots who like to start wars of aggression running our government
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 11:13 AM
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 11:27 AM
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42. You've been stereotypes all your life, so you stereotype all of Iran
as 'terrorists' and could care less about the women and children. How sad can you get? If you don't like that description then to bad. :eyes:
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 11:32 AM
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44. sometimes one can type too much
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jerry611 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 10:53 AM
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10. They do a lot of dirty work behind the scenes
They pay a lot of money and sell a lot of arms to groups like Hezbollah who does their dirty work.

There is also the Iran-Iraq war.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 10:55 AM
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13. The Iran - Iraq war started when Iraq INVADED Iran
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 10:58 AM
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16. you mean just like the CIA does?
:shrug:
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Alacrat Donating Member (306 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 10:54 AM
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11. Iran's Pres was one of the hostge takers, if I'm not mistaken
How many wars has the u.s. started?
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 10:56 AM
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14. proof?
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jerry611 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 10:58 AM
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17. The CIA can't prove it, but they can't rule it out either
Many of the former hostages say that he was one of the lead hostage-takers.
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Balbus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 11:17 AM
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33. A few links for you to peruse...
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 11:20 AM
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38. so he apparently had a nose job
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 10:58 AM
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18. You are correct.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 10:59 AM
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20. evidence? proof?
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Alacrat Donating Member (306 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 11:02 AM
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23. The best proof I can think of
is from the hostages, they are the people who identified him. Proof enough for me, they were there.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 11:04 AM
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26. i suppose you beleived the swiftboaters too
:shrug:
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 11:07 AM
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28. Wheres your proof the 2000 & 2004 elections were stolen.
If there was proof we would not have the leaders we have today. You can't have it both ways.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 11:17 AM
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34. im sorry you cant read
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 11:19 AM
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36. I am sorry
You feel you have to be snotty. Why is Bush President?
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 11:20 AM
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39. because the Supreme Court stopped the recount
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jerry611 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 11:09 AM
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30. What difference does it make anyway???
It is the same governemnt that took the hostages.

And who cares if they did or didnt start wars in the past...It's the future that I'm worried about. All it takes is 1 missile launch and we may have world war 3 on our hands.

Apparently though you seem to be 100% sure that Mr. Amadinejad won't do that... And that the US is involved in some kind of conspiracy to force a war with Iran.

Iran has been playing these war games longer than Bush was President. This goes back to the days of Jimmy Carter.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 11:18 AM
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35. I guess you missed the whole Iraq fiasco???
If war breaks out, it will not be the Iranians who start it.
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jerry611 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 11:20 AM
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37. So say Iran launches a missile at Israel...
Whose fault is it?
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 11:23 AM
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41.  Israel"s of course!
:sarcasm:
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winter999 Donating Member (530 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 12:49 PM
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51. Iran won't start a war. They'd get their proxies, Hezbollah to do it!
Is someone going to now cry "there is no proof that Iran support Hezbollah!"?
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Alacrat Donating Member (306 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 11:11 AM
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31. What do the swiftboaters have to do with it?
Edited on Tue Aug-22-06 11:32 AM by Alacrat
Many of the hostages say he was one of the hostage takers, they spent 444 days there, and as far as I know, they as a whole have no political axe to grind, and they have never made an organized effort to end his election hopes. How can you make it through the day being so paranoid? Is there anyone in whom you trust? Should they have brought his i.d. back with them? I don't think they had that option.
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 11:48 AM
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49. Well, let's see.
We started the Iraq war,
The war in Afganistan
The invasion of Grenada
The decimation of Nicaragua
Our failed invasion of Cuba

That's just in my lifetime. And how much more have be backed, instigated, and run through proxies?

The US is involved in more military operations in more places around the world than any other nation.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 11:50 AM
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50. You are mistaken n/t
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MrPrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 10:55 AM
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12. None...n/t
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 11:33 AM
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45. I Saw A Documentary On LINK About Three Months Ago & It Covered
many aspects about those who live in Iran. What I saw was that many many young people are very upset with the leaders and don't like the way the country is being run.

For the most part, they looked almost like young adults here in America. While they were extremely restricted by certain religious regulations, they did have their own little "havens" of sorts where they would gather to meet and talk about their feelings and politics. From what I gathered they knew they were being watched and had to be careful, but many talked like they wanted an Iran that wasn't run by religious zealots. An Iran that was much more up to date and open along the lines of democracy. They wanted to listen to new music from the west and wore clothes similar to ours here. From what I saw, Iran has a huge population of younger people who really want a different type of government that wasn't so restricting. At least that's what I saw from the documentary.

I think it would be a real shame to "egg" the leaders into some sort of war especially when I don't think most of the country wants to see that type of violence.

Does anyone else have any more of this type of information? I suppose I could check websites, but I'm not sure that I would find the same thing. LINK & FSTV cover this stuff very well and I was very impressed. I'm just one of your "regular" Americans whose ancestors came here a long time ago, so I don't really have any real ethnic background other than the fact that my parents were either from English or Irish ancestry. I think I'm at least 3rd or fourth generation American so I'm pretty much in the dark about immigrants who come here from other countries in the Middle East.

I know we have many Middle Easterners here today so I'm wondering if any of you might be able to corroborate the information from the documentary?
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klyon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 11:35 AM
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46. I don't think Iran has ever invaded another country.
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