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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 07:27 PM
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"Ned Lamont must "redeploy" to support Lieberman."
BY JAMES TARANTO
Monday, August 21, 2006 3:53 p.m. EDT

Declare Victory, Get Out
They said they would be greeted as liberators for toppling the old regime. Instead, they find themselves caught in a quagmire--a vicious, unwinnable civil war with incalculable costs in both resources and prestige.

We refer, of course, to the Democrats in Connecticut.

An exchange between "TPM reader BM" and Angry Left blogger Steve Gilliard illustrates their predicament going into an intraparty general election race between Sen. Joe Lieberman, now an independent, and Democratic nominee Ned Lamont.

~snip~

It looks as though Lieberman is in the race to stay--but there is an answer to the Democrats' quandary. For the good of the party, Lamont could throw his support to Lieberman. This would leave the incumbent running essentially unopposed, neutralizing the "flying wedge" and allowing the Democrats to concentrate on beating Republicans.

Lamont could declare that he made his point by winning the primary, but his own ambitions are less important than the party. He could then redeploy, going on the road with Lieberman, campaigning for Democratic House challengers in Connecticut and for Democratic Senate candidates elsewhere. Rather than stay in a race he is likely to lose, Lamont could prove he understands his own dictum: " 'Stay the course' is not a winning strategy."


http://opinionjournal.com/best/?id=110008827
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 07:31 PM
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1. What a piece of idiocy.
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 07:45 PM
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11. Isn't though?
The Bush bots love Taranto.
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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 07:33 PM
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2. James Taranto
is on crack. 50% voter turnout for the primary, and he wants Lamont to concede? Based on the fact that Lieberman has widespread support among REPUBLICANS? Why the fuck don't we just kick him out of the Party, force him to join the GOP, THEN endorse him and let him run unopposed, which is apparently how his supporters and boosters seem to think it should work...
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 07:35 PM
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3. heaven forbid Lieberman respect the outcome of the primary instead
:eyes:
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Donald Ian Rankin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 07:44 PM
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10. Lieberman *did* respect the outcome of the primary.

He's not running as the Democratic candidate for the Senate. That's what the primary was about.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 07:49 PM
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13. No, he lost the primary and is so in love with power that he decided
to organize a party of one and he is the one who might be endangering democratic unity in the state and hurt our congressional candidates in the state (we have the opportunity to pick up three seats) because to win Lieberman must make sure he gets lots of Republicans to vote for him and when they are voting for him they will also vote for their congressional candidates.
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Donald Ian Rankin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 07:58 PM
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15. To break your argument up:
"No, he lost the primary..."

Yes, perfectly true. However, the issue at stake in the Primary was "who will be the Democratic candidate", not "who will be the Senator"; losing it didn't place any obligation on Lieberman not to run without the Democratic endorsement.

"...and is so in love with power that he decided to organize a party of one..."

Debateable. It may be the case that he's going to all the trouble simply out of love of power, but I think it far more likely that he genuinely believes that he'll make a better Senator than either Lamont or Schlessinger, and so has a duty to his constituents to run; most of them seem to agree with him.

"...and he is the one who might be endangering democratic unity..."

Yes, true, although it's worth noting that Lamont's decision to challenge him, while perfectly justifiable, was clearly not the best decision for the Democratic party (for the reasons you've outlined below) that *he* could have made. But yes, Lieberman's actions in this case have clearly been directly contrary to the interests of both the Democratic party and progressive politics.

"...in the state and hurt our congressional candidates in the state (we have the opportunity to pick up three seats) because to win Lieberman must make sure he gets lots of Republicans to vote for him and when they are voting for him they will also vote for their congressional candidates."

Perfectly true (so far as I know), although it would benefit from some more punctuation.

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Redneck Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 08:20 PM
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27. "...has a duty to his constituents to run..."
Edited on Mon Aug-21-06 08:21 PM by Redneck Socialist
LOL! That's some great stuff there. What? Oh wait. You're serious?

"I think it far more likely that he genuinely believes that he'll make a better Senator...most of them <his constituents> seem to agree with him."

Most of his Democratic constituents just told him to pack his bags. Those very same folks granted Joey his position of power in the first place so a modicum of respect for their views seems in order. However Joe's clearly built up so much momentum he doesn't see it that way.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 08:21 PM
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29. More utter and compelt BULLSHIT!
I thought the OP article was bad enough, but you have to stink up the place on top of it with your twisted REPUKE "logic".

Go away - just go...
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Donald Ian Rankin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 08:26 PM
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34. And the same to you.
Edited on Mon Aug-21-06 08:28 PM by Donald Ian Rankin
Insult is seldom a good substitute for rebuttal.

There's no such thing as "Repuke logic"; just logic and absence thereof. If an argument is logical, then even if it's advanced by Republicans it's still right.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 08:01 PM
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19. No, you're right. He just betrayed the party
is all, so he's not a Democrat anymore.

But, you're right, he's not contesting the election.
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Donald Ian Rankin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 08:10 PM
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24. I think of it differently.
The reason I disapprove of what Lieberman is doing is because it's bad for the cause of progressive politics. I don't regard "betraying a party" as a crime - I don't think political parties deserve loyalty (although I *do* think that if you're elected on a party ticket you have a duty to remain on it for the duration of that term; not doing so is betraying the electorate, not just the party).

I think there are two standards to judge political actions by; the specific and the impartial.

The first is "is this going to make America a better place"; i.e. "is this good for the cause of progressive politics", in general. By this argument, Lieberman has done something wrong, but he's still less bad than pretty much any Republican.

The second is "is this political fair play; is it a legitimate tactic". By this standard, I don't think Lieberman himself has done aything wrong. I *do* think that those people who continue to hold positions in the Democratic party relevant to the Connecticut election and are supporting him are doing something wrong by this standard, though.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 08:05 PM
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22. When a man enters a Democratic primary and loses...
...he shouldn't run for the same office the same year. That is disrepecting Democratic voters.

I'd say the same thing if Lamont had lost and kept running.
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Donald Ian Rankin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 08:14 PM
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25. If there had been an official condition like that then I'd agree with you.

However, I don't think it's a standard that there's any justification for applying unofficially. If the primary doesn't say "you must do this if you enter", I don't think there's any grounds for demanding that someone does.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 08:23 PM
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31. Because it's legal, that makes it OK for Lieberman to...
...continue to divide Democrats after the primary?
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Donald Ian Rankin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 08:31 PM
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35. No, but it makes it *legitimate* for him to do so.
See either my post 24 or my journal for what I mean by the difference.

I don't think he is doing the right thing; I don't think that the reason that it is the wrong thing was because it was "dishonourable" or not fair play or against the code of conduct of politics.
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DarienComp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 07:35 PM
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4. He thinks he's so clever, doesn't he, with his references to the Iraq War.
I love his basic point as well: Ned Lamont must drop out because he won.
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 07:36 PM
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5. Hahahahaa! Stop it! You made milk come out my nose!
What a fucking idiot that author is. He's suggesting we subvert the votes of Connecticut Democrats, completely ignore them in fact, and then rub the voters noses, once more, in a pile of shit called Lieberman? Hahahahaaaa!



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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 07:36 PM
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6. This is such crap!
Lamont won! He won the party's nomination! Lieberman should drop out.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 07:37 PM
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7. Is it my imagination or are Junior's speech writers now
placing propaganda pieces against Lamont?
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 07:37 PM
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8. This drivel appeared in the Wall Street Journal
Edited on Mon Aug-21-06 07:39 PM by MissWaverly
How is our reckless invasion into Iraq and toppling Saddam equivalent to the Democrats of
Connecticut using their rights as citizens to vote for Lamont instead of the other candidate
on the ballot. Did this involve shock and awe, did the democrats invade DC to topple a brutal
and ruthless dictator only to be beaten back by his loyal followers. What is this? Should
we then answer to a higher power and not allow our elected representatives to take their in
place in DC but to be replaced by appointed representatives. What type of democracy is this,
it sounds like old Joe Stalin to me.
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niallmac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 07:43 PM
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9. Principles aren't people in charge of High Schools
Ethics aren't Russian money and morals aren't paintings on walls.

Do the people who write such spineless theory know what a cause is and
why it's worth fighting for?

"Cave and Be a Slave" should have been the title.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 07:46 PM
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12. Well, of course this is just what Lieberman would want, but Lamont
won the primary fair and square and is the Democratic nominee. Lieberman is no longer a Democrat. Case closed.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 07:57 PM
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14. Who is this idiot?
Does he think he's funny..shittin' around with our Democracy?
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 08:01 PM
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20. Yes, he thinks he's hillarious, and that the Iraq War is hillarious.
He cracks himself up.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 07:59 PM
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16. Why the hell should the winner of the primary throw his support anywhere?
Are they so afraid he'll win?
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 08:03 PM
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21. The author thinks he's funny. NT
NT
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 08:22 PM
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30. What's more frightening is the thought that
the author is dead serious
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 08:25 PM
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33. He knows Ned Lamont isn't going to drop out.
Edited on Mon Aug-21-06 08:25 PM by Eric J in MN
The author isn't that kind of idiot.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 08:00 PM
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17. They've Been Scared Insane
Right out of their minds for who in their right mind would write drivel like this? Perhaps others of the same ilk like Beinart and Brooks who think the wrong type of voters shouldn't be allowed to vote, you know the ones, the ones who know the pundits and beltway politicians have essentially betrayed the trust they once held. The ones who want to throw the cushy lived bums out. This idea is so ludicrous it's laughable. I had to check and make sure it wasn't something from the Onion. Good for Lamont, he's frightened them so badly they're dribbling.

*shadow government*
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 08:00 PM
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18. Why do readers of "Talking Points Memo" only use their
...initials when writing a guest-article there?
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ikojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 08:06 PM
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23. Wow!!! If the Democrats get Ned Lamont, the winner, to
drop out of this race because Holy Joe LIEberman throws a fit then why support such a party? I say the Dems put as much money as possible into the Connecticut race so Lamont beats LIEberman hands down.

Since when does the winner roll over for the loser? Oh wait...2000 and 2004 presidential elections come to mind..The Democrats have quite the history of rolling over for the loser.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 08:19 PM
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26. Just what fucking bizarro world do these IDIOTIC TRAITORS live in?!?!
This makes me steaming mad.

If they reversed the names with the same suggestions, then maybe we can talk.

HELLO?!!!!

LIEberman - LOSERMAN - LOST - get over it- move on!

LAMONT WON - throw you support behind the WINNER!

What a fucking fuckup...
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 08:21 PM
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28. I know!
Black is white...
Up is down...
Peace is war...
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 08:24 PM
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32. Why run this crap?
Nonsense like this is so far out that its only effect can be to stun.
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LTR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 08:41 PM
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36. Taranto is a dumb fat fuck
This is the same idiot that occasionally cherrypicks DU threads as his 'proof' that Democrats are insane.

Ignore this piece of shit. This guy single-handedly embarasses what otherwise is a decent newspaper. How the hell does the WSJ employ this asshat?
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 09:25 PM
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38. The Wall St. Journal publishes right-wing editorials every day. NT
NT
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patricia92243 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 08:45 PM
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37. Stupidest thing I've read lately. Gag!
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 09:26 PM
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39. Uh, Lieberman isn't a Democrat anymore.
Edited on Mon Aug-21-06 09:26 PM by impeachdubya
The only party he gives a shit about is the Joementum Party.
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 09:32 PM
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40. More humble advice from the far right. Yeah, that's worth taking to heart.
I heard Rush Limbaugh today asking why Democrats don't love Lieberman. He then praised Lieberman for 10 minutes. Limbaugh doesn't understand why we don't agree with his politics.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 09:45 PM
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41. Damn concern trolls.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 09:52 PM
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42. This guy is actually asking Lamont to concede for the sake of party unity?
What a complete and utter crock of shit. Senator Liberman lost the primary and if he had any respect for the party he would drop out.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 09:57 PM
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43. This is from the WSJ, of course.
Take that opinion page of theirs, use it to roll some of what Toranto was smoking when he wrote this and pass me some, please.
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Briarius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 10:02 PM
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44. I don't think I've ever hear a more asinine
backwards, fucked up statement than this. Republican logic at its best.
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johnnydrama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 12:54 AM
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45. no way
This could only make any kind of sense, if somehow Lamont wouldn't win the election vs the Republican.

Since he'd probably get 70% of the vote, why would he be the one to drop out? He won the friggin primary.

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