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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 06:33 PM
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Dahr Jamail's interview with Ray McGovern
Interview With Ray McGovern, Part 1
By Dahr Jamail
t r u t h o u t | Perspective

Monday 21 August 2006

During the Veterans for Peace National Convention in Seattle, I conducted an interview with Ray McGovern. McGovern was a CIA analyst for 27 years and is co-founder of Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS).

In this first installment of this short interview series for Truthout, I asked McGovern what he thought of the fact that Israel had been planning their attack on Lebanon for well over a year.

Ray McGovern: The most important thing, from our perspective, is to determine what role the US government played. It's very clear that the US government not only gave the green light to the Israelis, but actively encouraged them to do what they are doing now, and then blocked diplomatic efforts to prevent them, to halt them, or to have an immediate cease-fire. That much is clear. You can even read Charles Krauthaumer, who says precisely that: that we are proud that we not only gave the permission, but we encouraged them to do precisely what they are doing.

Now, the question arises, why? What in God's name would possess our so-called neo-con leadership to persuade this new fledgling Israeli government, which represents in my understanding a right-wing fringe of the Israeli people and not at all the Israeli people as a whole, just as our government represents the extremist right wing of the Republican Party? These so-called neo-conservatives who pretty much mounted and successfully waged a putsch of our government early in this administration, what in God's name do they have in mind?

The tactics they used seem to be identical to the invasion of Iraq. We called it "shock and awe." Well, a lot of the Lebanese, as well as the world populace, are shocked and awed quite enough, thank you very much, by what the Israelis are doing. It's incredible that we would see that they would take out the infrastructure of a whole country as a way of "retaliating" against the capture of two Israeli prisoners of war, the capture of them, rather than the kidnapping of two Israelis.

So, obviously this thing was planned well in advance, and the timing really gives me great pause, because this was a situation where there were glimmers of hope that the neo-cons in our government were taking a back seat to more enlightened and more flexible policy, specifically vis--vis Iran. It looks very much to me, from what the president, Condoleezza Rice and others have said, that this could be used, and may be designed to be used intentionally, to go after the Iranians and the Syrians on the pretext that they were the ones who really put Hezbollah up to this, as well as Hamas in Gaza. And now we really have to go to the source and destroy the authors of this.

The rest of the interview is at: http://www.dahrjamailiraq.com/hard_news/archives/newsco...


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AlamoDemoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 06:39 PM
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1. thanks for this...
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 06:45 PM
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2. You bet...
When McGovern speaks, there's good reason to listen.
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 07:00 PM
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3. Kicked and recommended!
Indeed, what in God's name???
I am of the firm conviction that the members of the
neocon KKKabal are all possessed by the devil himself-
as are their supporters.
By their works you shall know them.
Hear that, you trolling freeper bushbots?
You are all going to HELL.
BHN
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 07:11 PM
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4. And another KICK!
Hate to see this interview sink like a stone...
BHN
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 07:13 PM
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5. Gratzi! And a shameless self-kick...
We'll get those 5 recommended votes yet! :yourock:
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 07:32 PM
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6. 5th k and r. n/t
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 07:36 PM
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7. thank you
I love Ray!
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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 07:55 PM
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8. K&R...
Dahr Jamail rocks... he was a regular voice on Democracy Now! for a little while and i've visited his blog a few times. One of the few untainted voices from and representing that area of the world. Good interview.

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teach1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 08:05 PM
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9. Another K, another R
McGovern:

I like to refer to what my four-year-old granddaughter said when she saw me on TV. When it was all over she went to my daughter and said, "Mommy, that was grandpa. That means the other people are real too." Now, that's sort of cute on the surface, but think about what that means. If you don't know someone in the picture, the other people aren't real too. And we're deprived even of the pictures of the carnage that's going on in Iraq, and now in Lebanon. And we have to fess up to that and realize that unless we get our hearts involved in this, as well as our minds, we're not going to be able to stand up and do our duty as American patriots and face down this situation and say to our government, "Enough. Enough. No more carnage. Bring our troops home from Iraq. And reign in this Israeli government that is using your helicopter gun ships, your fighter-bombers, your tanks, etc."
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 08:07 PM
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10. Great read -thanks n/t
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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 08:08 PM
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11. Ray McGovern is an American hero. n/t
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enough Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 08:53 PM
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12. Agreed, and so is Dahr Jamail.
k&r
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 10:01 PM
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13. K&R
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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 10:06 PM
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14. recommend it!
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