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a kennedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 08:34 AM
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Anyone else hear the "hero" in the WTC movie is really an African
American and not white??? Was listening to The Black Eagle radio show (WOL-AM), on Friday and they were talking about it. I haven't seen the movie and won't, but evidently one of the rescuers was a black marine in real life, and in the movie Oliver Stone made him white.
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 08:36 AM
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1. I saw that on CNN
last night....sort of chuckling about it ....

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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 08:39 AM
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2. I saw him on TV last night
Edited on Mon Aug-21-06 08:44 AM by malaise
What a mess up but that is so typical. Looks like Stone never asked the other rescuer for a description or someone lied. Jason Thomas (of Columbus, Ohio) said he doesn't even plan to see the movie.

Here's a link
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14350685/?GT1=8404

Add link.
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eccles12 Donating Member (385 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 09:40 AM
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16. I recommend people read or listen to "Lies My Teacher Told Me"
by James W Lowen and read the writings of Dr. Karenga if you want to know some truth about African Americans' and Africans' place in history.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 10:17 AM
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17. Do you remember w-a-a-ay back
when a sculpture of the flag being raised on the rubble was proposed to honor all the rescuers and the NYFD went ballistic because the artist wanted to depict 3 very different looking men? Can't remember what happened to that... :rofl:
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 10:31 AM
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19. Vaguely
Stone loses credibility here and I won't waste our money to see it.
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LA lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 08:40 AM
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3. The guy was so cool about it!
Shamberg said he apologized to Thomas for getting his race wrong in the movie. Filmmakers discovered the mistake after production had already begun. Thomas laughed and gently chided the filmmakers, then politely declined to discuss it further.

I dont want to shed any negativity on what they were trying to show, he said. As for his story, Thomas said he is gradually becoming more comfortable telling it. Its been like therapy, he said.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-08-15-sept11-h...
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 08:42 AM
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4. Yeah..
... and the real crime here is that we're supposed to believe this was an "accident".
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davepc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 08:44 AM
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5. nobody knew who they were.
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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 09:25 AM
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13. And Jason L. Thomas is okay with it...he's getting his story out anyhow.
Good for him!

Shamberg (the movie's producer) said he apologized to Thomas for an inaccuracy in the film: Thomas is black, but the actor cast to portray him, William Mapother, is white. Filmmakers realized the mistake only after production had begun, Shamberg said.

Thomas laughed and gently chided the filmmakers, then politely declined to discuss it further. "I don't want to shed any negativity on what they were trying to show," he said.
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Bill McBlueState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 09:25 AM
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14. well, that explains it to my satisfaction
Other reports make it sound like the man's race was common knowledge and Stone deliberately cast a white guy. But according to your link, production was well under way before anyone actually found the rescuer.
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Kickoutthejams23 Donating Member (354 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 08:49 AM
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6. Maybe they can fix it for the DVD release.
If George Lucas can screw up the original Star Wars with such technology it would be nice if someone used it for good. Simply replace the actor in those scenes with an African American.
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rfranklin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 08:57 AM
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8. Can't it just be "colorized?"
They did it to all those classic black-and-white films of the thirties.
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 08:54 AM
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7. BULL SHIT that Stone didn't know.
Edited on Mon Aug-21-06 08:59 AM by MyPetRock
:mad: I wish we hadn't given him our money to see the film. We definitely would not have if we'd known this racist piece of information ahead of time.

The movie wasn't even that good. :mad:

on edit: Any half way decent producer would have asked the survivors and rescuers details about one of his main characters in the movie. That's why I call BULL SHIT. I am sure Stone did this but thought the movie would be more "marketable" if the guy was white.
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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 09:21 AM
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12. Jason L. Thomas is the hero.
Edited on Mon Aug-21-06 09:26 AM by mcscajun
Thomas had kept his involvement in the Sept. 11 rescue so quiet that even Stones people couldnt find him when they researched the movie. They cast a smaller, white man to play Thomas, whose license shows he is black, 6-foot-3 and 240 pounds.

The producers have since apologized, and Thomas identity has been confirmed by Karnes and the rescued Port Authority officers.

http://www.columbusdispatch.com/news-story.php?story=di...

more about Thomas' reaction:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 08:59 AM
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9. In "Black Hawk Down" the film maker neglects to tell you that the "hero"
Edited on Mon Aug-21-06 08:59 AM by radwriter0555
of the true story, the real guy, is now in jail serving many years for sexual assault on a child...

It seems that poetic license is used rampantly.
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Cassandra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 09:02 AM
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10. Saw the film yesterday.
It sounds like the real marine isn't nearly as creepy as the character they showed.
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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 09:20 AM
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11. Yes, there was a news article about this man earlier this week
QUIET HERO
Saturday, August 19, 2006
THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH

To his Whitehall neighbors, Jason L. Thomas is a mild-mannered family man who spends his weekends fighting crab grass. Until this week, they always pictured him outside playing with his five kids or toting a lawn sprinkler.

So they were surprised to discover that Thomas, 32, is one of two Marines whose rescue of two survivors of the Sept. 11 attack is portrayed in the movie World Trade Center.

For five years, Thomas didnt talk about that day. But a few weeks ago, he hesitantly came forward to identify himself as one of the heroes portrayed in Oliver Stones new movie.

(snip)

Thomas had kept his involvement in the Sept. 11 rescue so quiet that even Stones people couldnt find him when they researched the movie. They cast a smaller, white man to play Thomas, whose license shows he is black, 6-foot-3 and 240 pounds.

The producers have since apologized, and Thomas identity has been confirmed by Karnes and the rescued Port Authority officers.

http://www.columbusdispatch.com/news-story.php?story=di...
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 09:32 AM
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15. Another reason (probably) why the righties praise it ...
because "the filmmaker never tried to inject political correctness into the film by turning the hero of the film into an African-American and screwing around with the facts" ... whoops, the "screwing around with the facts" turned the hero into a white ...

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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 10:22 AM
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18. Isn't one of the guys
pulled from the rubble (not necessarily the ones mentioned in the film though) a big voice in the 9/11 Truth Movement?

I saw a few articles linked on DU a few months ago that mentioned a 9/11 survivor trying to get publicity by visiting Chavez in Venezuela.
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