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InkAddict Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 02:30 AM
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Marriage as an antidote to poverty???
Edited on Mon Aug-21-06 03:06 AM by InkAddict
How about universal health care for families that includes mental dental, eye and hearing care, lower college tuition costs, hiring and keeping Americans directly employed instead of outsourcing or actually honoring contracts of consultants with a mandated predictable/payable term.




http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/21/washington/21welfare....
"Conservatives are pushing for stiffer work requirements and for more attention to marriage as an antidote to poverty." Edited for link
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melnjones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 02:37 AM
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1. Especially when half of marriages end in divorce...
Better to have single and stable people than people trained to think that if you don't marry you will be poor all your life. So dumb.
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lvx35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 02:40 AM
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3. Reminds me of this 19 year old mormon I worked with...
...When I was like 25. She fell in love with me at work, a teenage crush...but she had a husband. I asked her why she was married in the first place and it was basically because she wanted to sleep with this guy. Their marriage ended in abuse and nastiness, naturally, and then divorce. When you elevate marriage all it becomes is a new word for "dating". Its meaningless. If true love could be given in a church ceremony, things would be easy, but that's now how the world works!!
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lvx35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 02:38 AM
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2. Its all about the concept of "family"
The right defines is as "us four and no more" while the left is willing to look at things in a much broader sense, including even the idea of a "human family"
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 02:42 AM
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4. antidote? my butt!
family of four, two min. wage incomes is barely above poverty levels... ($21,840) Poverty is $19,307 for a family of four.

I agree with everything else you said.
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 03:18 AM
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5. I believe the word conservatives are looking for
is prostitution.
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area51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 04:30 AM
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6. Well said!
InkAddict for president.


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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 04:44 AM
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7. exactly...
they (conservative right wingers) prop up marriage as something only straights can have, but then push marriage like this... a majority of marriages are divorced very quickly - LOVE is the reason for a marriage, not financial gain. sick son of a bitch rethuglican moral-rapists...


funny video of bush rubbing bald men's heads
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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bumblebee1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 12:17 PM
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13. Isn't a person who marries for financial gain
called a golddigger? Great, the conservatives are now encouraging women to be golddiggers.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 07:19 PM
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14. they'd deny that
but then say the same damn thing in different wording..


how I despise these sob's!
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 06:08 AM
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8. yeah, right
Edited on Mon Aug-21-06 06:19 AM by radfringe
instead of 1 single person working 2-3 jobs to make ends meet, in a marriage you have 2 people working 4-6 jobs... to make ends meet

and a few "gems" about the economy...

"You work three jobs? Uniquely American, isn't it? I mean, that is fantastic that you're doing that." --George W. Bush, to a divorced mother of three, Omaha, Nebraska, Feb. 4, 2005 (Listen to audio -- http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/blbushism-uniqu... )


"I cut the taxes on everybody. I didn't cut them. The Congress cut them. I asked them to cut them." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Aug. 6, 2004

"Recession means that people's incomes, at the employer level, are going down, basically, relative to costs, people are getting laid off." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Feb. 19, 2004


"Haven't we already given money to rich people? Why are we going to do it again?" George W. Bush, to economic advisers discussing a second round of tax cuts, as quoted by Paul O'Neil, Washington, D.C., Nov. 26, 2002
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 09:25 AM
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9. Talk about powder, meet spark.
Of all the horrible ideas I've heard from the conservatives, this one has to win them an award for all time stupid.
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 09:30 AM
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10. now if that aint bass akwards, I don't know what it.
My marriage lasted till death we did part, but there's no way in hell I'm going to get married again. I'd lose my husbands pension and health benefits if I were to remarry. Besides, at my age 47) the pickins are pretty damn slim....they're all either sick, married or poor themselves. How would getting re-married improve my plight?
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JitterbugPerfume Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 12:04 PM
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21. I am in the same boat
if I remarry I lose the pittance that supplements my social security check (I am considerably older than you) and whats more I would be stuck with another old man to take care of----NO THANKS

once was enough "till death do us part" for this old woman :eyes:
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mntleo2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 10:25 AM
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11. Over 70% Of Welfare recipients Were ...
...domestic violence victims. Over 80% of welfare recipients were married and about that many have on the average of 1.7 children to support.

About 4 years ago, when this proposal was first floated around, I participated in a protest below the office windows of one of the legislators involved with this inane idea. We had a mock wedding with a real Lutheran minister, brides with veils and the whole bit (one of the "grooms" was also dressed as a bride, lol). We married Mr Any Guy. This was with Jennifer Dunn, a clueless neocon that, thankfully is no longer a legislator.

One of the "brides" had endured 17 years of domestic abuse, had 5 children she was forced to have at home because her husband would not allow her to go to the hospital (they might notice the bruises she had and the indications of rape she endured clear up to the day of childbirth). She was isolated from her family all that time, so she had nobody. Well one day, he beat her so badly she "died" and wound up in the hospital where the whole thing unraveled. By the time she participated in the "wedding" her husband was in prison for attempted murder, child abuse, and assault.

We "brides" all of us low income moms, were taken into Dunn's office. When the woman above asked Dunn what she was supposed to do with a husband who had almost killed her, Dunn's response was that, "there would be counseling" for that. The expectation was that somehow the marriage should be repaired!

We tried to say the $800,000,000 could be put to much better use: like education for moms so they can find jobs with livable wages (they are not allowed to go to school even for a GED), childcare, housing, food stamp increase(which provides less than $1.20 per meal per person per day), but of course they do not care about those essential needs. It is all about marriage ~ and faith-based money going into the coffers of Bu$h christo-fascists.

I am a member of Welfare Rights Organizing Coalition ( http://www.wroc.org ). In Wisconsin, where Warfare DEformed has its roots, Welfare rights people there have unearthed the information that almost 2 BILLION dollars has gone missing there and nobody knows where it went. They found that of all the money that came in from the feds and the state, only 13% actually gets to the families that need it (the state claims that it is really 33%, but even if thatwere true, that is pitiful). In Philadelphia, they have uncovered such practices as a YWCA childcare program using over $80,000.00 to give themselves a lavish party with money that would have provided many families with actual childcare. They had been selective, punitive, and stingy to moms actually needing childcare, many who were denied and treated horribly. It was so embarrassing, that the agency gave back to the government over a million dollars. Texas is a disaster with their poverty rate going out the roof since Welfare DEformed, it goes on and on.

This marriage thing is a ploy to give to religious based agencies money who can discriminate and withhold services if they choose. They are not monitored as to where this money goes, but the truth is, not much of it makes it into the hands of the people who need it.

The Kensington Welfare Warriors call these agencies and the governmental people who mete out the money as "poverty pimps." A good term IMO.

Your tax dollars at work and are they going to blame the moms for the apartment building burning down when she is forced to leave small children at home go to her three jobs?

My 2 cents

Cat In Seattle
P.S. WROC is always struggling. Please consider going to the website I gave and contributing to them or to a local welfare rights non-profit in your area. It is desperately needed. They are a 501 C , so are tax deductible.
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Fierce Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 10:31 AM
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12. But but but...
...if everyone had universal health care and good wages, then...then...THEY WOULDN'T GET MARRIED!
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 07:27 PM
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15. Marriage as the antidote to straight poverty.
My girlfriend and I will remain unmarried and poor because the GOP won't give us access to their plan for financial success.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 07:29 PM
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16. This is RevMoon's marriage coercion technique - the WH adopted it
and many of the people in charge of the marriage program are trained Moonies.

They condition welfare recipients and the poor that marriage is for SOCIETY'S SAKE and benefit, not an extension of personal emotion.

It's amazing how the corpmedia will NOT delve further into this, even though the connection is PLAIN AS DAY.
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mntleo2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 09:42 AM
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17. Moon Who Once Married Thousands
...of perfect strangers to one another about 30 years ago. I wonder how many of those marriages lasted. You never hear about what happened to them. Huh...

God, these neocons are kooks!

Cat In Seattle
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 11:45 AM
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19. Moon STILL performs mass ceremonies but he is off limits for corpmedia
now because he's down with the BFEE.... BIGtime.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 10:38 AM
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18. It's an antidote to welfare
Because generally speaking, married couples don't qualify for welfare. Between two people, one of them usually manages to find some sort of job or other which also reduces the amount of food stamps and other benefits they qualify for. Marriage can be an antidote to government assistance, which isn't the same thing as being an antidote to poverty at all.
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 11:55 AM
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20. Isn't there some truth here -- DINKs do OK financially.


at least the ones I know.


Of course antidote to poverty is hyperbole, but splitting a mortgage two ways is a lot easier than paying the whole nut.

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KingFlorez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 12:05 PM
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22. That's what they say
But in reality, it's just another way for them to meddle in people's personal lives and avoid real solutions.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 12:11 PM
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23. The antidote to poverty is to stop the flood of wealth to the top.
How about that, for starters? When executive pay and benefits are skyrocketing, corporate profits are skyrocketing, but the WORKERS are left in the cold... um... HELLO?!

Assholes. Shameless, greedy bastards.


InkAddict the measures you propose would go further to make our society a truly fair one. In other words, don't hold your breath waiting for it as long as the GOPranos and DLCers are in charge. Those groups have a demonstrated interest in keeping things UNfair.
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